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« on: August 25, 2008, 11:14:07 AM »

Hi all here from South Africa

I've had a few inquiries as to how I mold my fish so here goes.

I mold most of the fish that I get in with molding plaster, Dentstone, as I get maximum detail from this material.
Advantage of using plaster is that u can either use the fish after molding as a skinmount or u can make different molds from the fish without causing to much damage.

U can use this method for molding with Bondo or casting rubber as it works on the same principal. I would advise that beginners stay with plaster until they are experienced enough with molding before switching over to other methods.

First of u must make use of a good specimen and wash all the slime of the fish to get maximum detail. Also wash the inside of the mouth if u want to make an open mouth cast of the fish. The slime will definitely give u bad mouth detail when molding ur mouthplug.

I used a Nembwe as an example " bream species from the Okovango". I remove the fins as I will mold them separately.



Next we will start with the mouthplug. I mix a thin base of dental plaster, must not be to thick, just enough to fill the mouth cavity.
make sure that it is not to thick or thin otherwise u will get a detail problem. Fill the cavity with the plaster and wait for it to set up.




Next step is to clean around and outside of the mouth to get a smooth surface and to also get the maximum detail on the outside of the mouth. There are a few undercuts by the mouth that has to be cleaned. Make sure u do this before the plaster is fully set.
This picture shows the cleaned mouth.



The next step is to get ur molding box ready. U can use any type of molding bed like clay or sand. There are different ones that u can use, I use fine silica sand. U have to moisten it or u will get sand on ur fish. U don't want any pinholes in ur mold.
I cover the sand with a refusebag as not to get any sand on the fish and lay it in the box. Push the sand under the fish as to get the midline of the fish. U also at this time open the fins to the desired position before molding.



If u do get sand on the fish make sure that u clean it of with a brush. After u set the fish up make sure that the fish is dry. Use a cloth with thinners to remove most of the moisture on the scales. Be carefull not the dry the fins out completely as it will curl up and spoil ur mold.

Most other taxidermists spray the fish with a lacquer paint to get more detail, but I prefer the fish as is. I still want to get more molds from this fish and the paint will damage the fish.
Next step is to mix ur plaster. I use two different types of plaster.
I use the dental plaster for my splashcoat as u get the most detail from this. The other plaster is a normal white moldingplaster that is going to be my mothermold.

 
Make the splashcoat thin as to get maximum detail from the fish. As the plaster begins to set up, u can see this by taking the plaster in ur hand and let it drop back into the bucket making a small bump on top of the other plaster, pour it over ur fish making sure that all of the fish is covered. Start mixing the other plaster,it  must be thick as to be spread over the first layer of plaster creating the outer shell on ur mold. Before the splashcoat has completely set u must spread the thicker plaster over it to get a good bond between the layers.  If ur splashcoat has set u will have the problem of the outer shell cracking from the harder dental plaster and ur mold will be ruined.





 Wait until the outer shell has set before turning ur fish around.



 Remove ur mold from the box and smooth the sides of the plaster next to the body of the fish. U do this to get a smooth seam when u cast ur fish. Cover the sides of the plaster with a seperator. I use normal dishwashing liquid for this purpose.



Repeat the same steps as u did for the first side. Make sure that u clean the excess plaster of the sides otherwisw u gonna have a problem when splitting ur mold.


When the plaster has set up u can split the mold by tapping slowly on thre splitline. I use a knife for this. Remove the fish carefully as not to brake of the undercuts.  The result is a very detailed mold that u can use for a pedistal mount.

















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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2008, 11:39:25 AM »

Oops wrong button.

OK here are the 2 halves of the mold.



I then remove the mouthplug from the fish. Wash the fish and put it back into the freezer until the next time. If u want a skinmount u can also skin the fish as normal.



U can place the mold in an oven or in a warm dry place until it has dried completely before making a cast of ur fish.

Now to cast the fins.

I put the fins on a piece of polished granite rock. U can use glass also if u want. Spread the fins out to the size that u want them for ur mount.


Mix ur dental plaster to a thin consistency, not too runny as it will all run of the fins, and pour it over the fins. Make sure that u mix enough to make it about an inch thick. The stronget the mold the longer it will last. Use halve for the first pour.




When the other halve begins to set pour it over the first as to get the desired thickness. When the plaster has set up turn the mold over to start with the other side.


As u can see the are some places where the plaster has run under the fins. This u have to remove by using a sharp knife. At this time u can put in the slots as to get a good lock on ur mold when u mold the other side.


After that has been done u can cover the plaster with a separator, again dishwashing liquid. Make sure that u don't get any on the fins as u will loose detail. Repeat the mixture and pour onto the other side. When the plaster is set u can split the mold and remove the fins. Again I use a flat bladed knife for this. Be carefull not to force it or u will brake it.
Here are the result:




Let it dry and ur almost ready to make a cast of a 3d fin.

Hope there are some that can use this method. I'm not an expert but have found this way very good for making good quality molds.

Next time I will show how to seal the molds and make ur replica from the molds.
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2008, 02:09:40 PM »

yes good post''
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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2008, 03:18:57 PM »

kool---thanks
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2008, 08:37:56 PM »

Thanks for the info.  Very interesting.
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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2008, 10:53:02 PM »

Thanks for the info.  The pictures are a great help.  I will have to try it.
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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2008, 02:34:07 AM »

Wow Nicely done rp

Thanks for taking the time!!!

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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2008, 03:39:03 AM »

Thanks Josh

I will post the casting part soon, hope it helps some of the beginners. Grin
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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2008, 08:19:46 AM »

Good job, I have yet to do my first cast, but I will try it for sure when ready.

Thanks for sharing
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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2008, 10:09:18 PM »

Nice work RP!!!!!!!! Once again thanks for showing your work bud.
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2012, 08:44:06 AM »

Great tutorial,thanks for posting looking forward to the casting.
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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2012, 12:02:41 PM »

Where u get the dental stuff??  About how much is it?
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