Rick carter

[whitetailslayer]

Ron, we were hard on the guy who claimed God directed him to Don Holt.  I didn't think it could get much worse than that.  I was wrong.  Michael/Nickie, do you guys need me to send you a few Handi-Wipes for that brown stain on your noses???

Haha... I'm still standing.
About Ron Carter's videos, all I was able to find from him in the McKenzie catalog is the A to Z Boar Shoulder mount...is it something that just isn't listed or do they not stock that one? Or do I just have to order from WASCO? Reason I'm asking is because I can get everything from McKenzie within 24 hours of ordering.

[Russ of V.O.W.T]

whitetailslayer, its  "Rick" Carter, LOL not Ron, and yes you need to order it from WASCO, he works there, and they carry the video.  It will give you VAST insight into the mounting of a whitetail deer.   Young, Old, new to taxidermy or aged veteran, there is something in this video for everyone.  good luck. 

[michael p.]

I wonder what other videos he could star in Russ ??

[RDA]

ROFFLMAO

[arhanna]

I watched this video last night.  Very informative.  Only question I have....In the video the rough fleshed it and then tanned it and then did the final fleshing.  He used Krowtann.  He did not pickle, shave then tan like most people recommended me to do.  Is that because of the method of tanning?  If I use Liqua-Tan then can I rough flesh, pickle, final flesh then tan?  Can you do this before you Krowtann also if you wish?

[fougair]

I think George has answered that question somewhere in the forum.

[George Roof]

arhanna, I'm the ogre who keeps saying that Krowtann ISN'T a tan to begin with.  IT'S A PICKLE and in the light years gone by, a "pickle tan" is what it would have been considered.  It's a different animal all together from a true tan.  With a real tan, you always rough flesh, pickle, pull it out and let it drip dry a bit, shave the hide down, put it back into the pickle.  Then you take it out, neutralize, and apply the tan.  You can't take shortcuts with real tans.

[Rick Carter]

Well boys & girls, theres no other way to say it. George is real bad wrong. That's right. He doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. Krowtann is as good a tan as Lutan F. It is not just a pickle and it is not an alum tan. The amount of time George has been alive and the longevity of his taxidermy career only mean that he has been wrong about a lot of things for a really long time. Go ahead and take all the cheap shots you want to but it IS what it IS.   LOL

[Rick Carter]

arhanna, I'm the ogre who keeps saying that Krowtann ISN'T a tan to begin with.  IT'S A PICKLE and in the light years gone by, a "pickle tan" is what it would have been considered.  It's a different animal all together from a true tan.  With a real tan, you always rough flesh, pickle, pull it out and let it drip dry a bit, shave the hide down, put it back into the pickle.  Then you take it out, neutralize, and apply the tan.  You can't take shortcuts with real tans.

In 1915 You always started a "real" model T using a hand crank. If it was cold you just stood there and turned the crank. You couldn't press a button from inside the house that cranked the car. Sometimes the car backfired and the handle kicked the crap out of you.lol

[Jerry Huffaker]

Well boys & girls, theres no other way to say it. George is real bad wrong. That's right. He doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. Krowtann is as good a tan as Lutan F. It is not just a pickle and it is not an alum tan. The amount of time George has been alive and the longevity of his taxidermy career only mean that he has been wrong about a lot of things for a really long time. Go ahead and take all the cheap shots you want to but it IS what it IS.   LOL

 This seems to occur quite frequently on this sight.

[Moosabec Taxidermy]

Wow, George got slammed, BIG TIME!!!! Wow...

[Taflinger]

Ouch!! A slam by Rick Carter. That has to hurt. Nice Jack-O-lanterns Rick.

[George Roof]

Hey, I've been wrong before.  This just isn't one of those times - regardless of WHO does the "slamming".  I don't have reputation to protect.  Ben Mears touted his "Spray Tan", James Edgar has a "One Hour Tan", and Dan C has a "Dry Tan".  None of them are tans either.  Argue what you will, but the CHEMISTRY doesn't back Rick up here.  The pH of a tan is 4.5 to 5.0 while the pH of a pickle is 1.0 to 3.0.  In order for any "tan" (I used quotes since there's really no refined definition of what a "tan" really is to begin with.  This is based on what the tanning INDUSTRY has always considered the progressive steps.) to take place, the cellular structure of the skin must be "thirsty" enough to suck the tanning agent back into the hide.  That's why you pickle a hide (just like Mama pickled cucumbers) before you neutralize it (just like Mama did the cucumbers). After the pickle has been neutralized, the hide is now ready to quench its thirst on the tanning agent (Mama didn't do that, she just sliced and diced and put them on the table - just like Krowtann).  I haven't seen or spoke to Ron Carter in years, but his method of preparing a hide was quite similar to the results of Krowtann but from a VERY different aspect.  He sold a dry preservative but recommended that it be dissolved in a 50/50 mix of denatured alcohol and water.  The hide was fleshed completely and submersed  in this chemical "pickle" overnight, shaved, and then mounted.  If any of you have ever seen his mounts, you know that like Ben Mears' and James Edgar's, they were certainly competition quality.

MY OPINION is that I don't CARE what you use to preserve your hide.  I just wish that SOME OF YOU understood the principles of proper tanning and the steps necessary in order to get there.  You need to learn the methods that Hornaday used and research what the long term results of his methods proved to be.  If you want to take horsesh1t and smear it on your hides before you mount them, my customers can decide if they like your method of mounting better than mine or not.  I don't get any royalties from ANYONE nor do I sell or profit from ANY OF THEM, including the horsesh1t.  I'd NEVER claim to have the talent of Rick Carter as I suspect he could mount a hide with NOTHING ON IT and still have it look 10 times better than mine.  Having said that, however, his OPINION is no better or no worse than my OPINION.  His science and chemisty, however, that might be another thing.

[fougair]

I agree Rick does have nice pumpkins! (and a great video almost finished the second dvd last night)

[michael p.]

I agree Rick does have nice pumpkins!

You oughta see the "pumpkins" he has now!!!!!!!!!