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« on: September 10, 2009, 09:15:46 PM »

Lutan F Tanning

Directions:

1. After the cape or hide has been skinned from the carcass, remove as much meat and fat as possible from the hide. Split the lips, turn the ears and take the cartilage out of the septum of the nose. The longer the hide remains in its raw state the more likely the hair is to slip.

2. Lay the hair side down. Flesh side up on a flat working surface. Salt the hide with a fine ground non-iodized salt. Thoroughly rub the salt into the flesh side. Never use rock salt or reuse old salt!

3. Leave the hide salted for 12 to 24 hours.

Pickling:

Mix the pickle at the following proportions:
  For every 1 gallon of water add:
  1 lb. salt
  1/2 oz. saftee acid, or 1 oz of Oxalic Acid, or 3 ounces of Pickling Crystals, or the acid of your choice. The pH should read 1.5-2.0.

4. Place the salted hide into the pickle. The minimum amount of time for the hide to stay in the pickle is 72 hours. Remove the skin anytime during the pickle and shave the skin as thin as possible. The thinner the skin is shaved the softer and more flexible it will be. As soon as you are finished thinning, put the hide back in the pickle.

5. Once, the allotted time for pickling has been completed, remove the hide from the pickle and rinse in cold water.

Degreasing:

6. Degrease the skin if necessary. Skins such as bear, raccoon and beaver will require degreasing. Heavy degreasing can be done with Rittel's Super Safety Solvent (2 fl. oz per gallon of water). Leave the hide in the degreaser for 30 minutes then rinse in clear water. For light degreasing, Dawn dish soap can be used at a ration of 1/2 fl. oz per gallon of water. Be sure to rinse all of the degreasing agent out with cool, clear water.

Neutralizing:

7. Mix a neutralizer bath to the following proportions:
    For every 1 gallon of water add:
    1 oz. of Sodium Bicarbonate (baking soda)
    or use 2 ounces of Borax
    Leave the hide in the neutralizer solution for 15 minutes for light skinned animals or 20 minutes for deer,etc.

8. Remove the hide from the neutralizer and rinse in clean water.

9. Rinse again in a bath of room temperature water. Hang and drain for 30 minutes.

Tanning with Lutan-F:

10. Mix the Lutan-F accordingly:
       For every gallon of water add:
       2 oz of Lutan-F
       1/2 lb. of non-iodized salt
       Use enough water to allow the hide to float freely in the Lutan-F solution.
 
       Raccoon                       3 gallon water, 6 oz. Lutan-F, 1 1/2 lb salt
       Fox                                3 gallon water, 6 oz Lutan-F, 1 1/2 lb salt
       Coyote                          4 gallon water, 8 oz Lutan-F, 2 lb salt
       Deer cape small            5 gallon water, 10 oz Lutan-F, 2 1/2 lb salt
       Deer cape large            7 gallon water, 14 oz Lutan-F, 3 1/2 lb salt

11. Submerge the hide or cape in the Lutan-F for 12 to 22 hours, depending on the hide. (Caution: do not leave skins in the tan longer than the recommended time!)

     12 to 14 hrs for mink, raccoon and fox size animals
     13  to 15 hrs for coyote size animals
      16 to 18 hrs for deer
      20 to 22 hrs for elk or moose

12. Remove from the Lutan-F. Rinse in cold water and drain for 30 minutes.

13. Mix the Pro-Pus Oil, 1 part to 2 parts hot water. Rub the oil and water mixture thoroughly into the hide.

14. For rug or furs the hide should be stretched and broken as it dries. The combination tool works well for breaking the hide.

15. If one has access to a tumbler, the hide may be tumbled for extra softness. A household dryer may be used provided it is set on No heat.

Options:

1. The skin may be mounted immediately after the Pro-Plus Oil has soaked in for a minimum of 8 hours.

2. The skin may be rolled up and frozen. When ready to mount, simply thaw and mount.

3. To rehydrate after tanning, soak in wter and bactericide for 2 hours. Roll up and cover with a large towel until completely rehydrated. Resoak for another 1/2 hr is necessary.
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Trouble Shooting:

*Hair falling out or bald spots:

Slippage or hair falling out is caused by bacteria growing on or within the skin structure. If the hide is not taken care of properly before pickling, a bacterium starts to attack the skin causing the hair to slip. There is no wayt to stop the slippage once it has started. As long as the hide is wet the slippage will continue and grow progressively worse.

Hides must be removed from the carcass immediately, excess fat and meat removed.

Temperature effects the bacterial growth. The warmer the temperature the faster the bacteria will grow. As a guide, we recommend that the hide be removed from the carcass withing the following time schedule.

60 degrees    1 hr.
50 degrees    1 hr.
40 degrees    2 hr.
32 degrees    4 hr.
20 degrees    6 hr.

Hides must be salted immediately after the fat and meat have been removed.

Improper Pickling:

Pickling or the removal of globular proteins can only be accomplised between 1-2 pH. Check that your pickle is at that pH range before you add skins. It is not necesary to maintain the 1-2 pH range once the skins have been added to the pickle.

Be sure to add all the skins at once! Do not add skins to the pickle at a later time, even if it is only 30 minutes later.

The hides must stay in the pickle 3 days or 72 hrs.

Improper neutralizing--hide must be neutralized in Sodium Bicarbonate for exactly 20 minutes; any deviation from that time will result in a surface tan.

Stiff Hides:

The hide has not been thinned down enough. The thinner the hide is shaved down the more flexible it will be. Thinning or shaving the hide may be done after the hide is tnned if you have done a thorough job of tanning.

The tanned hide was not broken properly. Breaking of the hide refers to the actual breaking down of the fibrous structure ot the skin. This can be accomplished by tumbling, sanding, or working the hide over a thin dull edge of a piece of metal or wood (a disc blade works very well). The longer a hide is broken, the softer and more pliable it will become.

If the hide has dried out, reapply some tanning oil and thin or re-break the hide.

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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2009, 03:18:04 PM »

I have a question. I recall the pH of the tanning solution must be between 3 and 4 or you risk surface tanning the hide or the tan not bonding. Is that true and what is the proper pH of the tanning solution using Lutan? Help!!!!
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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2009, 06:19:57 PM »

1.5 to 2.0
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2012, 04:25:45 PM »

How can you safely handle the hide with a pH that low?  Would rinsing vigorously be sufficient to allow further fleshing, or would you need to soak in a sodium bicarb solution first?
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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2012, 12:00:08 PM »

I always thought the pickle 1.5 - 2  and the Lutan 3.5 - 4  Huh
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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2012, 04:18:03 PM »

redwolf the hide is safe to handle after mixing a solution like you mentioned. however its not necassary.  a low ph like that is liekly to iratate skin but with gloves you can easily shave the skin further.
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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2012, 05:29:05 PM »

You should be wearing gloves period, when handling any pickle or tan no matter what the PH is.
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2012, 04:00:34 PM »

 Maybe I'm wrong, but I neutralize after tanning.  Seems to give me a better finished product.
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2012, 08:58:16 PM »

I'm not doubting anyone, but all the directions and stuff I've read states PH between 3.5 and 4  on Lutan ,chime in people I've got to make another batch soon.
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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2012, 10:16:57 PM »

There are many problems and incorrect info in this "tutorial".......go to the tanning section and leaf through some pages. You will find all the correct info you need, alot has been discussed recently so it should be easy to find.

Swb.....you are correct, Lutan bonds best at 3.5ish to 4.5ish.
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2012, 08:04:43 AM »

That's what I thought, I've never had any problems with the PH at 3.5 - 4  but anymore with things being changed or upgraded you just never know.
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« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2012, 11:55:35 AM »

The tutorial says to place salted hide into pickle. You need to rehydrate the skin completely before the pickle.
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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2012, 09:18:47 AM »

i have been following those directions for 10 years now and never once had any trouble  ,nice white skin, excellent stretch 
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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2012, 11:24:17 AM »

i have been following those directions for 10 years now and never once had any trouble  ,nice white skin, excellent stretch 

you have been placing dry salted skins direct into pickle without re hydrating them first? I don't disagree with anything else in the directions. I think there was a disconnect here on the issue about ph between pickle and tan. #7 on tutorial clearly states to neutralize for 15min before placing into tan. That is going to bring your ph to around a 3.5 to 4 as it should. 
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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2012, 07:21:22 AM »

i put the salted skin right into the pickle , keep the ph at 1.5 or so  3 days ,neutralize,put it into the tan ,  simple as that    you can not mess this up it works and works every time ,very simple to use

my pickles are made up a day ahead of time  and usually a day after the skin is in there, i make 1 adjustment to the ph and thats it  ,except for stiring it 3 times a day

this is what i was taught and it works
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