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oldshaver
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Re: whats causing this
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November 15, 2009, 08:10:36 PM »
ljones, when static(no mechanical aggitation) pickling, and tanning, you really should use a rehydration bath, before the pickle, even though you only salt for 2 days. Your skins are not getting fully REHYDRATED, by throughing them straight into the pickle. If you had a round drum, that would be ok, because of the aggitation provided by the round drum.
A surfactant, cuts the surface tension of water(makes water wetter LOL), and greatly speeds up rehydration, as well as aiding in THROUGH rehydration. Knoblochs, and Rittels, both sell a surfactant. Try this just once, and I gurantee your shaving times, will be cut in half. First call one of the 2 companies I mentioned, and order a surfactant(re-wetting agent).
Allow 2.5 gallons of water per cape. To every gallon of water, add 1/4 lb of salt, to 80deg water. Follow the directions on the surfactant, and add as directed.
Since your capes are only salted 2 days, leave them in this solution, for 5 hours, and gently stir, once an hour. Pull and drain for 30 minutes, THEN put them in your pickle. You should notice a BIG difference in your shaving . No more wrinkles, or curled edges. Skins should be like a limp dish rag. Have a good one!
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ljones
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thanks for that info oldshaver i will try that rehydration step with a wetting agent on my next batch of hides
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Tom King
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Re: whats causing this
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November 16, 2009, 08:38:10 AM »
Quote from: oldshaver on November 15, 2009, 08:10:36 PM
ljones, when static(no mechanical aggitation) pickling, and tanning, you really should use a rehydration bath, before the pickle, even though you only salt for 2 days. Your skins are not getting fully REHYDRATED, by throughing them straight into the pickle. If you had a round drum, that would be ok, because of the aggitation provided by the round drum.
A surfactant, cuts the surface tension of water(makes water wetter LOL), and greatly speeds up rehydration, as well as aiding in THROUGH rehydration. Knoblochs, and Rittels, both sell a surfactant. Try this just once, and I gurantee your shaving times, will be cut in half. First call one of the 2 companies I mentioned, and order a surfactant(re-wetting agent).
Allow 2.5 gallons of water per cape. To every gallon of water, add 1/4 lb of salt, to 80deg water. Follow the directions on the surfactant, and add as directed.
Since your capes are only salted 2 days, leave them in this solution, for 5 hours, and gently stir, once an hour. Pull and drain for 30 minutes, THEN put them in your pickle. You should notice a BIG difference in your shaving . No more wrinkles, or curled edges. Skins should be like a limp dish rag. Have a good one!
Good Information OS!!!
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Bobbi Meyer
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Re: whats causing this
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November 17, 2009, 10:27:40 AM »
what would the surfacant be called from Rittels or Knoblochs?
I've got a variety of Knoblochs chemicals anything from Pre-tan 110 to the Relax R stuff or whatever it's called.
Basically a soap or detergen is a surfacant correct?
I probably didn't spell that right! LOL
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ljones
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November 17, 2009, 03:24:51 PM »
i had the same question bobbi after i looked in the catalog looks like they both have several things for the rehydration bath i am not sure which one to order can you give use some product names oldshaver ? or anyone
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John C
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November 21, 2009, 10:55:09 AM »
Find a wholesale grocer, I buy food grade salt no iodine for under $6.00 for 50lbs.. I can but a 25lb bag or a pallet. if I buy the pallet its a little cheaper.... <ost of the cattle feed salt is crsuhed rock salt and will work in a pinch, but if you tan at the shop its dirty very dirty.
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February 08, 2010, 08:15:15 PM »
I have the perfect answer. KROWTANN!
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elkhunter1313
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February 08, 2010, 10:43:45 PM »
Too late already been suggested LOL
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doublelung
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February 09, 2010, 07:13:47 PM »
All the K-Tann haters are going to love this.
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George Roof
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February 09, 2010, 09:15:01 PM »
Doubtful. We just consider the source.
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ljones
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February 09, 2010, 09:44:03 PM »
i dont know what this post got brought back up for, but i did find out what was causing the blue color on the hides, it was the prussiate of soda anti caking agent in the salt , it reacts with iron to make the blue color , i changed salt and solved the problem
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Tom King
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February 10, 2010, 01:32:14 AM »
Quote from: George on February 09, 2010, 09:15:01 PM
Doubtful. We just consider the source.
WE............ as in the a MINORITY group LOL
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WBB793
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Re: whats causing this
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February 10, 2010, 06:59:50 AM »
The salt I use has the anti cake in it, and I have tanned with soft water and hard water and never ever have I seen blue color caused by this?
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ljones
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February 10, 2010, 07:47:43 AM »
i am using well water evidently it has the mineral iron in it, got my answer from thr salt producer
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Jake_75
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Re: whats causing this
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February 23, 2010, 10:48:45 AM »
Quote from: George on November 14, 2009, 05:14:20 PM
I guess I'll never understand taxidermists being a penny wise and a pound foolish. Since when is table salt/ bakers salt/pickling salt "high priced". I buy 20 pound bags of bakers salt in the local Food Lion for less than $4. I learned how to salt before I learned how to tan and one pound of salt will go a LONG LONG way if done correctly. The salt I buy has NO additives and never cakes unless I leave it open out in the weather. Saving a few pennies buying cattle food salt makes absolutely no sense to me and if it's costing you that much, you need to raise your prices.
Ditto- There can be no price on quality!!!
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