Krowtan problems

[Tom King]

Some people will not admit when they're wrong............Even when its been proven .............lol

[bill@hogheaven]

Elkie.....go find your village I hear they are missing their idiot.

[Tom King]

Elkie.....go find your village I hear they are missing their idiot.

Its sad when a grown man of your age stoops this low ..........Sort of a reflection of the Character I guess .............

[bill@hogheaven]

Yeah Tom ...no social skills whatsoever.

[Heath Cline]

Bill, myabe you should go on "Dancing with the Stars" because you sure are good at dancing around the question about your comment.

Remember this "I think other people using K-tan is good for my business, cause they sure cant match the quality."
Now tell me how I took that wrong. Pretty plain to me.
So I guess ALL taxis that use KrowTann cannot match your quality, is that right ? Man, you are missing out, you better enter the Nationals & Worlds !!
I never said I was a great taxidermist, never will claim that. But thanks for thinking of me that way, you are the first.
You are the one who said others can't match your quality, not me.
By your post it says you are older than me but you sure couldn't tell that post.  WOW I would have thought that was written by someone ALOT younger than me.
All I asked was for you to explain to me about your comment which is false. You want to dance around it & not answer it. That's fine with me. You have helped prove my point, thanks for playing.
I will now go call those 3 taxis & tell them they can't match your quality because they used KrowTann.   HAHA
Now you can take your false statement & run home.

[bill@hogheaven]

OK ahole, I dont consider any of the three MY competition & like I said they could do better with DP. My son & I have entered the Natl. 3 first & 2 seconds, he has his award of excellence. I have never entered my pieces in a state show. In fact I gave them away but I have the Natl. points. So must be our quality aint to shabby. Now you have the chance to get the last word. You are no longer amusing.

[Tom King]

Yeah Tom ...no social skills whatsoever.

I'm glad you agree with me Bill ,of YOUR lack of Social skills.............
Heath,You will never get a strait answer..........Bill only writes short sentences with large words that he has to look up lol..........

[Tom King]

You still havent answered his question? He never questioned your ability to put out quality work.........

[Heath Cline]

Now we are resorting to name calling ? HAHA  Nice. That proves alot !
You are still "dancing".
Let me get this right, you are older than me ? LOL
I never said those 3 were your competition. I said they must not be able to produce quality like you because of your statement that " you can't produce quality with KrowTann."
I have not been trying to be amusing. Just trying to get you to explain to me about your statement, that's all. But you want to dance around it and bring up other stuff that has nothing to do with your statement.
So once again BILL, can quality be achieved with KrowTann ?? Or are you sticking to your original statement ??

[Tom King]

Heath,Bill is only good as a backup for Other people's debates.............He's lost when he is on his own lol......

[Cole]

You guys are freaking irritating. Bill answered your question Heath...NO, Bill (along with many of us in the industry) does not feel that a cape tanned with Krowtann is of the same quality as a properly tanned cape. It has nothing to do with whether or not you win awards with it, it has to do with the tan itself. Some of us feel a completely tanned skin is a higher quality skin than one dropped in a cocktail of acids and alum for 3 days. Some of us feel that 40 years down the road a complete tan will outlast your KT. You disagree...good for you. Keep using the crap. Who cares? Why do you continue to hammer on the guy when he answered your question? If you pestered me like that I'd probably resort to name calling too. 

[Heath Cline]

Cole, I guess I am blind, can you please show me where he answered my question. Because I must be missing it.

Bill said you cannot produce quality with KrowTann. I beg to differ. Not by what I have done, because I am a nobody, but by what others have done. You say it has nothing to do with winning awards.  Isn't competing how you get your quality of work judged ?? I guess I am missing something here.
I mean if KrowTann is so Sh$$tyy(in your words), causes so much shrinkage & you can't produce quality with it, how do some taxis produce such great mounts ?? That is my question that was not answered.
Cole, are you saying the same thing ? That a taxidermist cannot produce a quality mount using KrowTann ?
Bill's statement was wrong & he just doesn't want to admit it, that's all.
I am not saying all taxidermist can produce that quality of mounts. But that's not what the statement was.
You can start your name calling now if you want, won't bother me any, I am a big boy.

[Cole]

Okay Heath, I'll say it one more time and if you can't comprehend it after that you are on your own.

Cole, I guess I am blind, can you please show me where he answered my question. Because I must be missing it.

Bill said you cannot produce quality with KrowTann. I beg to differ. Not by what I have done, because I am a nobody, but by what others have done. You say it has nothing to do with winning awards.   Isn't competing how you get your quality of work judged ?? I guess I am missing something here.
You are missing something...you're missing the point. We are not talking about the quality of the mount, we are talking about the quality of the tan. When you enter a competition there are no tests done to determine how many years a mount will last. It has NOTHING to do with competition.

I mean if KrowTann is so Sh$$tyy(in your words), I get a little pissy when people put words in my mouth. I didn't say it was crapty, I said "keep using the crap", meaning keep using the stuff. causes so much shrinkage & you can't produce quality with it, how do some taxis produce such great mounts ?? That is my question that was not answered.  Nobody said some taxidermists couldn't produce great mounts w/ KT, an opinion was given about the product (not the mounts)
Cole, are you saying the same thing ? That a taxidermist cannot produce a quality mount using KrowTann ?
Bill's statement was wrong & he just doesn't want to admit it, that's all.
You are right, he won't, because he believes what he said. You disagree, and have let us know repeatedly. Can't that be enough? Can't you just disagree with someone? You think he is wrong....GREAT!!! We all know how you feel. We all know how Bill feels. Drop it

I am not saying all taxidermist can produce that quality of mounts. But that's not what the statement was.
You can start your name calling now if you want, won't bother me any, I am a big boy.
If you've followed my posts long on these forums, you will see that while I'm not afraid to engage in a discussion, I VERY rarely call anyone a name...ever (if I have it was a mistake).

[Heath Cline]

Cole if that is what Bill meant, why didn't he explain it like you just did when I first asked him ? I mean it didn't take you long to explain what you think he meant. I would think if that is what he meant, he would have told me that when I asked. He did not say " you can't produce a quality CAPE with KrowTann. I guess he didn't want to explain it when I asked him & want this to drag on.

You are the one who bought up the "you might start calling me names comment", not me, I was just replying about.

So if I say " quit using the junk" about something, I can say I didn't mean junk, I meant stuff and it won't be read that way ?

Oh & you can find someone else to tell to "drop it". I get a little pissy when someone tells me what to do !!

[Cole]