Can bacteria be transfered??

[mr.T aka mr. friendly]

Weighing a skin down is unnecessary if you are agitating the skin like you are suppose to. (Pickeling also) Weighing it down and forgetting about it will give you a surface tan in the thicker areas. Agitating the skin often works the fibers so the tan can penetrate faster, and it stirs the bath so the suspended tannins can get next to the cape. I bet the directions say to stir once a day, when once an hour is far better.

[killitnfillit]

Sorry I didn't say to stir it. But it's in the directions where I didn't quote "all" the directions. Stir as often as you can. Better yet, PM Rick Carter and see if he can help.

[jbnf - Josh F.]

I have often wondered about my tools transferring the bacteria. Since I use the same knife, fleshing beam etc on all my stuff the bacteria could be transferred this way. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Chris H]

KT directions say weight it down and if I'm not mistaking ( I dont have the instructions in front of me ) you are not supposed to stir KT after the initial mixing. The directions say to WEIGHT IT DOWN and REMOVE IT DAILY and STRETCH IT and PUT IT BACK IN A DIFFERENT ORIENTATION. I would rather weight it because I can not see how you are doing the hide any good when part of it is out of the pickle. It dose not say weigh it down and forget about it for 3 to 4 days.

[Redwolf]

I like a good KT thread, but this ones a double feature with the weighing a cape down brought into the it

[Chris H]

I was just thinking how easily we get off topic with KT,and were is George hollering its not a tan. lol  To answer the question yes bacteria can be transferred from one surface to another, that's how we get a bacterial infection, but I must say in my OPINION the problem lies in your method not bacterial transfer.

[Redwolf]

Who's bringing the popcorn this time? Bobbi?

[cyclone]

Well let's throw a bit of logic in there to make things interesting.


He's following the instructions to your ever so precious 'T'.

No, wait, he didn't weigh them down so that's not to the 'T'..

Did everything else to the 'T', but didn't weigh them down therefore, according to your precious "T" the lack of weights caused the slip...



NO way it could be to bacteria?  No way it could be to a bad cape to begin with since your "Magic elixir" cures all...

In case you hadn't noticed, the OP'er wasn't offering a whole lot of details up with each subsequent post.  Mining information in order to help solve a problem seems to be the norm with newbies anymore...Getting that info out of someone with experience would be easy.  And in case you hadn't noticed, not one poster said anything negative about the almighty KT...I really didn't see anyone forcing information on him either..

You seem to like to anoint yourself almighty expert by tossing around big names at will..

Well have at, solve his problem....

[cyclone]

problem lies in your method not bacterial transfer.

Good call, but try extracting the method out of this thread...

[Chris H]

Now lets say your baking a cake and you follow the directions to a T but for some reason we find that his cake is not coming out rite. Well maybe the problem is hes not turning on the oven. All Im saying is lets look at things threw open eyes. The question was can the bacteria be transfered. I said yes. You said yes so I guess to that point we agree, now I do admit to be new to this and no I dont think I know it all. In your oppinion Cyclone COULD the problem not lie in the fact that the entire hide is not in the solution, therefore leting exsisting bacteria to flurrish and cause the problem ?

[cyclone]

Now lets say your baking a cake and you follow the directions to a T but for some reason we find that his cake is not coming out rite. Well maybe the problem is hes not turning on the oven. All Im saying is lets look at things threw open eyes. The question was can the bacteria be transfered. I said yes. You said yes so I guess to that point we agree, now I do admit to be new to this and no I dont think I know it all. In your oppinion Cyclone COULD the problem not lie in the fact that the entire hide is not in the solution, therefore leting exsisting bacteria to flurrish and cause the problem ?

Sure, that is entirely possible.  If one has any experience whatsoever with bucket tanning, they soon learn that "floating" a hide entails your initial immersion into the solution, stirring so that it gets to all parts of the cape evenly and then situating the cape so that the hair is up and the flesh side down in the solution.  You aren't tanning the hair.  If you agitate often, as directed,  you shouldn't have any one part exposed long anyhow..
You can float these capes so they don't dry out..


It was also stated that formic acid, a constituent of KT, is an excellent bactericide.  There should be little chance of bacterial action causing this damage once the hides are introduced unless the solution is mixed incorrectly or there is an overcrowding issue. (Also mentioned).

I wonder how many  tea jugs it would take a professional tannery to weigh down their stocks...

[Redwolf]

Now lets say your baking a cake and you follow the directions to a T but for some reason we find that his cake is not coming out rite. Well maybe the problem is hes not turning on the oven. All Im saying is lets look at things threw open eyes.

If you can't bake a cake out of a box you need to rethink being a baker
I hope your not the one popping the popcorn.

[cyclone]

Watch it Bob, I have a good quote on your experiences with the Magic Elixir saved...

It's one thing to join the party, but to sit on the side and instigate...

[Redwolf]

I don't tan anything anymore cyclone. I send it all out, but all these little "debates" are fun. And if you can't have fun, you shouldn't play.
I've had the same questions (should I follow the directions? or just listen to people on here? Is Krowtann REALLY that good? Or is it junk? Weigh it down? Or let it float?) I got the same thing. So now I do what others did to me, HAVE FUN

[cyclone]

I don't tan anything anymore cyclone. I send it all out, but all these little "debates" are fun. And if you can't have fun, you shouldn't play.
I've had the same questions (should I follow the directions? or just listen to people on here? Is Krowtann REALLY that good? Or is it junk? Weigh it down? Or let it float?) I got the same thing. So now I do what others did to me, HAVE FUN

If you have ever taken the time to read any of my posts about KT, then you would see that I have neither endorsed it nor bashed it.  In fact, I try not to get into the "Tan or Not" debate.  Simply trying to help someone with a slippage problem.