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« on: February 08, 2010, 03:40:20 PM »

Up until today I've only worked with skulls. Today I skinned my first animal, a bobcat. It came to me unexpectedly this morning and I didn't have a freezer for it, so I skinned it as best I could. I got all the meat off. Remembering what a childhood friend used to do with squirrel hides, I stretched it out on a picnic table and tacked it down. I have to keep it outside. Trying to kill any odor to ward off scavengers and help it to dry out, I covered it with Borax, and then covered it with trash bags. Am I on my way to ruining it? What should I do next?
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2010, 04:35:51 PM »

Borax will preserve the skin, but the bag over the skin will not allow it to dry and it can still go bad and the hair can slip.
The skin will not be soft, it will stay very hard. Not sure what you want to do with the skin, but all you will have is a very flat, hard sail cat basically. LOL.
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2010, 04:42:44 PM »

You could use it for a kite.
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2010, 09:20:49 PM »

Or a "sail cat"....kinda like a frisbee...LOL
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2010, 10:12:52 PM »

If I'm not mistaken it's winter in MA right now...It might have kept cold long enough to research options..
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2010, 06:00:06 AM »

 While my home is MA, I'm spending the winter in  southern Florida, the Everglades. I'll get the garbage bags off right away and hose it down.  I've started researching this and see if I salvage the hide.

I volunteer for Everglades National Park and have prepared skulls for exhibits. I'm a rank amateur. The bobcat pelt would be used for ranger talks about wildlife in the area, exhibits at local school science fairs and the like.

 Thank you all for responding. You made me LOL.

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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2010, 07:51:23 AM »

Just gotta love that little "location" information above the avatars....I assumed, apologies..

The borax will preserve it, but it will be near impossible to soften in this state.  Borax is also strongly alkaline, hides preserved with it go through a "slip stage" or a loosening of the hair until it is dried flint hard.  Upon re-hydration, this slip stage usually shows up again with a vengeance.  It is possible to re-hydrate, wash off all of the borax and use a pickle/tan, but the odds are greatly in favor of slip..

The ENP cannot provide you with enough freezer space for a bobcat?
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2010, 09:20:52 AM »

Just gotta love that little "location" information above the avatars....I assumed, apologies..

The borax will preserve it, but it will be near impossible to soften in this state.  Borax is also strongly alkaline, hides preserved with it go through a "slip stage" or a loosening of the hair until it is dried flint hard.  Upon re-hydration, this slip stage usually shows up again with a vengeance.  It is possible to re-hydrate, wash off all of the borax and use a pickle/tan, but the odds are greatly in favor of slip..

The ENP cannot provide you with enough freezer space for a bobcat?

Where I am in the Everglades is about 100 miles from a freezer large enough. This is an enormous place, and I'm in one of its outposts.

Below are directions on tanning I found online but not from this site. Tell me what you think of them. I've removed the Borax, cleaned thoroughly with Dawn, and it's now in a cooler wrapped up with the wood ash and salt mixture.

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If you hunt for small game you probably know all about how to clean and

dress
and make a tasty stew from your haul. If you can add tanning to your

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you'll be able to make good use of the pelts as well so that nothing goes to
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   Difficulty: Moderately ChallengingInstructionsThings You'll Need:
  Fresh hide
  Mild dish soap
  2 lbs. plus 2 cups salt, divided
  1 gallon bucket
  2 cups fireplace ash
  Gallon-sized freezer bag
  Dull knife
  5 gallon bucket with lid
  Safety goggles
  Rubber gloves
  8 oz. battery acid
  Paint stirrer or similar stick
  Brick or similar weight
  Sharp knife
  Nails
  Board
  Spray bottle
  Dryer
  Tennis balls or sneakers
  Wire brush
  Step 1Wash the hide with dish soap, rinse well, then gently squeeze (do not
  wring) out excess water. Soak the hide in one gallon of water mixed with

one
  cup of salt for an hour or so.
  Step 2Mix one cup salt with two cups fireplace ash. Remove the pelt from

the
  salt water, squeeze out the water, then lay it fur-side down and spread the
  salt/ash mixture all over the skin side until the mixture gets crumbly.
  Step 3Fold the pelt lengthwise with the fur side out, then roll it up and
  place it in a gallon-sized freezer bag. Put it in the refrigerator for two
  weeks.
  Step 4Remove the hide from the refrigerator, shake off the excess salt and
  ash, and place it fur side down on a solid surface. Scrape off the salt and
  ash with a dull knife--you'll also be scraping away a thin membrane

covering
  the skin.
  Step 5Mix 2 lbs. of salt with two gallons of water in the five gallon bucket
  and stir well. Then add the 8 oz., battery acid--be sure to put on your gloves
  and goggles first. Add the hide, stir again, then weight it down with a brick
  and let it sit in a warm room for a week.
  Step 6Check to see if the hide is tanned by making a small slit in the
  thickest part with a sharp knife. If the tanning solution has penetrated all
  of the way and the color is uniform, the tanning is done. If not, let it sit
  another three days, then check again. Repeat as necessary.
  Step 7Remove the hide from the tanning solution, wash it in a mild soap
  solution, then squeeze out the excess water. Nail the hide to a board and let
  it sit until almost dry and stiff but not hard. If it does get too dry (hard),
  re-wet it with water from a spray bottle.
  Step 8Work the hide over a chair back, clothesline, or something similar.

Pull
  it back and forth (with the skin side down) until it is entirely dry and soft.
  Step 9Toss the softened hide in a clothes dryer with a few tennis balls or
  sneakers. Let it tumble around on the fluff (no heat) cycle for half an hour
  so it gets even softer and the fur fluffs up.
  Step 10Use a wire brush to scrape away any bumps on the underside of the

hide.
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2010, 10:57:23 AM »

It'll make a nice "hair off"  piece.  Ash when mixed with water forms a strongly alkaline solution.  In  brain tanning circles it is known as a "bucking"  solution.  The purpose of which is to loosen the hair and epidermis for easier removal.

You'd be best served by buying some safety acid and a paint on tan...    But I'm afraid that cat isn't going to fair well...

Even if the hair does not fall out, I see no tanning step in that method, no oiling as well.  You'd end up with a piece of raw hide at best.

That method should be kept in the circular file....
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Re-hydrate! It is an important step.


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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2010, 11:05:55 AM »

Yikes!   The more I read that method the more of a nightmare it is:

Battery acid, ashes, bricks and the lack of a neutralization step....

That ain't tanning, It alchemy!

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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2010, 11:08:11 AM »

Here is a much better method to try...

http://www.taxidermy.net/forum/index.php/topic,56668.0.html
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2010, 02:06:09 PM »

here is my question, regardless of where you live or spend the winters, why not take it to a local taxidermist who knows what the hell they are doing? 

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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2010, 05:10:50 PM »

here is my question, regardless of where you live or spend the winters, why not take it to a local taxidermist who knows what the hell they are doing? 



I VOLUNTEER for the park. Even though federal, they don't have the money budgeted for  my outpost to pay taxidermists. So, I'm learning as I go, and if Uncle Sam doesn't want to spend money for taxidermists, the hell if I will.
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2010, 05:35:30 PM »

If you just boraxed it, get it off..
Salt it until you can tan it or get it tanned.
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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2010, 02:52:12 PM »

Thank you all for your help. Just learned the boss isn't interested in a pelt, only the skull, and it got shattered when the poor thing was hit by a car. I'll still see what I can salvage of the hide and chalk it up as a learning experience.
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