Trouble in Missouri

[coonhollow]

it looks to me that this is being handled as it should be I spoke with Kantor last week and you have your work cut out for you and if people think this is a isolated problem you are wrong show up looking like a professional business owner's and not shade tree taxidermist's keep on track because Kantor will most definitely be on track with his agenda. I hope this works out for everyone and I can see there is a lot of effort being put on this.

[CrabCrazy]

like some people said...its not a good idea to say anything on here......all he has to do is print out copy's of what has been said about him on here....as for cantor talking about us being in the same job as a mortician...that's wrong....we skin our work, morticians don't......and the chemicals we use are found in one form or another in any person's home....anyway good luck in your fight at the meeting

[Lakeview]

Look up the NAICS (North American Industry Clasification System) Code used by the Census  and also for statistical information. Taxidermist are listed under Code 711510 Taxidermist, Independent. The Major listing for this code is Independent Artists, Writers and Performers. Mortuaries are listed under NAICS Code 812210.

[Redwolf]

I don't think some of you get the whole zoning thing. You could be classified as a stamp seller, but if you have too much traffic (UPS, customers, etc.) and you live in a residential area, you can be shut down by the zoning board.
Paul is trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill so he can shut down his competition.

[Redwolf]

To add to that, I don't think he will win the classifying taxidermists with vets, and morticians thing, but the zoning issue could get rough.

[Patrick J]

I don't think some of you get the whole zoning thing. You could be classified as a stamp seller, but if you have too much traffic (UPS, customers, etc.) and you live in a residential area, you can be shut down by the zoning board.
Paul is trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill so he can shut down his competition.

I agree with you only I have to add that the extra tax income for the city/county/state are the other issue that the zoning boards care about. Housing covenances have to do more with the way you live your life...ie noise polution, multiple families in 1 house...bla bla blah bla

As far as city/county goes the main thing they look at is the taxes collected in order to "maintain" a neighborhood. If your business brings in more vehicle traffic than the standard families traffic you would therefore be causing more wear on a roadway. I have a good friend that is the head of the city street division here and the budgets that are planned to maintain streets barely will be enough as it is but if the streets aren't maintained someone will bitch for sure.  I don't know that there is a way to make it any easier to understand the MAIN avenue Kantor has to use to support his case.

Don't you guys think that if he went in to the meeting and said "All these home operated taxidermists are running me out of business" the board would tell him to go pound sand? He isn't going to go in there and state the real reason for his bitchin therefore he has to try to pull up some fluff to make a smoke screen for the real issues.
Now if you home based taxidermist have been doing what the majority of the rest of the World does in trying to not pay licensing fees and maybe declaring that 75% of your house is "shop/office" space to get a higher tax return then you set yourself up for this.  Like I said earlier there is a percentage of your property that can be declared as business and still fit in the guidelines of still being residential......somewhere around 35% to 45% depending on zoning laws

[riverratray]

well it looks like everone is on tract. thank god

[coonhollow]

it appears that the concerned , happy Kantor customer Riverratray is him, or one of his employees! something smells like carp Ray! or a river rat..

http://www.taxidermy.net/forum/index.php/topic,221392.0.html

[riverratray]

well coon i hope you don't make a LIVING AT DETECTIVE WORK.  you would starve.  again ray is a carpenter. out of work carpenter at present time, need any work done give me a ring thanks

[coonhollow]

I will pass maybe Kantor needs a Ark built though!

[George Roof]

Cole, I'm sorry I didn't respond sooner to your lame assed attempt to blame me for the MTA's involvement. I was in SC on a family emergency and didn't have access. BUT I DO NOW and if there ever was a crop of crap in diverting blame to someone else, you just made a valiant attempt at #1.  YOU tell us how the MTA is involved.  YOU know this because you're active in the MTA. But I know what the secretary told Barb when she started this. I challenge you to find one single sentence from the MTA president that told us ANY of what you've said.  JUST ONE SENTENCE.

As far as withholding what we say as it provides too much information, that too is pure BS. How can too much information be given when the guy doing the generation of these problems IS A TAXIDERMIST.  Do some of you really think that he doesn't know as much if not more than you do??? What Mr. T is telling you is exactly the same thing.  EVERYONE needs to be on the same page and the message united from all of you.

Sure it's no concern for me in Delaware or James in North Carolina YET.  "Yet" being the operative word however.  This is exactly how politics is an integral part of how we do business and you can never rest assuming they aren't dreaming and scheming more ways to bleed money from us. And damned right I'm concerned in how this plays out in Missouri. If it doesn't go in Missouri taxidermists favor, it can only encourage politicians in Delaware and North Carolina to try the same crap.

[psycho]

this dumb post has been revived by.......  Let it die and see how well they fair.  If it fails they only have "themselves" to blame.  "Themselves" are the people that do nothing and those that try and fail....   

It is already clear that the MTA is doing everything they can, now it's up to the members and non members to do something... Lets hope some of these people are as smart as they believe......  tick toc tick toc

[John C]

There is enough info posted to prove that taxidermist use mostly artist supplies, by comparing WASCO BOOK to Dick Blick.

Then you prove that even Oxalic Acid is used on wood decks to bleach them.

Then there is the link proving that taxidermist fall under the census code for artist.

Nothing anywhere or in any catalog to prove that taxidermist are morticians.

These four points should prove that taxidermist without being named are exempt from the normal zoning and are allowed tohave studios in there home.

This is objective evidence and thats what you need thats what you ask for now use it or loose.

[coonhollow]

ok RRATR this post started on the 20th. Kantor got flooded with call from its beginning you became a member on the 29th. and out of all the post on taxinet this post was your first ever post that you made. So is it coincidence or did Kantor send you here or are you kantor either way you seemed to have chosen a fitting name...odd that your photos of your bass were taken in his shop too!


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23       General Discussions / The Taxidermy Industry / Re: Trouble in Missouri       on: August 29, 2010, 08:03:50 AM
well i guess the missouri  boy's will take slake from this one?   i know people out there won't want to here this BUT!!   i was one of those that had KANTOR  mount my 9lb. bass.  yes it was high dollar. but i have yet to show it to anyone who was not impressed by the artistic look of this fish. maybe his pic's don't do the mounts  Justus. but i was and still am looking at a fine job he did.BUT  i am not sure what is all going on with this permit thing. fourty years in business though should tell us all KANTOR has done something right, RIGHT?  i'm not for running anyone out of work. the little guy needs to stand up get what ever permits they need and let the quality of work speak for itself.  good luck to all   

[Cole]

Cole, I'm sorry I didn't respond sooner to your lame assed attempt to blame me for the MTA's involvement.

George, what the crap are you talking about? How could I "blame" you for the MTA's involvement? The MTA has been involved since the beginning. You have had nothing to do with that. The only thing you have done is criticize the MTA and it's president, and I'm not sure why. I have outlined what the MTA has done, and will again just for you. Our president has sent letters to the County, and the State Legislature. Board members and active/involved members have also sent letters to the county. We have not withheld any info Barb has requested. We added an article in our latest newsletter outlining what Kantor has done and the effect it's having on TAXIDERMISTS in that area. (not just members) We are sending our VP as a representative in their hearing. What more would you like us to do George? I'm open for suggestions. Perhaps you would like to contribute with helpful suggestions rather than stir up a crapstorm halfway across the country.