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« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2011, 11:52:34 AM »

x10 Redwolf you hit the nail on the head !!!
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« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2011, 08:39:38 PM »

I wouldnt be a good person if I didnt warn you like I did in my last post. Itll take a different type of direction to pull it all off, but if your numbers and output can support the bottom line, itll work, plain and simple. Thats why I wished you well, of course.

Ill NEVER tell a person NOT to chase their dreams...but I WILL warn someone to not dream while trying to be a businessman.

Just remember this while watching overhead...the majority of the supplies and expenses youll pay cost the same whether youre doing the very best work out there, or the best work you can put out there. Theres a lot of truth to that. I hope you can prove us all wrong, Id rather be surprised and you be a success, then the other way around. Stay in touch.
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« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2011, 09:05:10 PM »

I am located south easy of Lancaster Ohio I would be willing to do some wholesale work for you.  I wild be willing to drive down pick up hides forms materials and take them back to my shop and return them when done you would have to take care of tanning I can send you pics of my work if your interested PMT me thanks mike

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« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2011, 12:25:22 AM »

Have you tried to CONTROL the volume of work in the shop?  Just from reading your posts, it looks like rather than hire a couple of people, you could make more money by calculating your price and thereby control the volume to a level that could be managed.  The transformation of a smaller type shop to a large commercial business is not easy to accomplish.  There is a lot of information available to that endeavor, but again, better hang onto your wallet.

Calculate your price by knowing your average gross hourly overhead to operate your shop.  Know how much time you really put into each mount, including time like talking with customers.  Add up expenses for supplies and outside services like commercial tanning.  Figure in some profit.  If you do this I believe you will find a much larger number for the price of something like a whitetail deer shoulder mount.  When you apply the new numbers to your price sheet the need for extra help will change, as well as the money left for your pocket.
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« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2011, 02:35:29 AM »

All employees will be given a 1099 form as contract labor to start with until we can get into this further. Employees will be responsible for their own taxes.


Brandon, I wish you well and I TRULY hope you find success in your dreams.  BUT PLEASE sit down with a Certified Public accountant!!!!  PLEASE!!!   If you have those 2 employees working under your roof the IRS is going to come back and RAPE you for those taxes YOU did not withhold.  If your CPA now is telling you that you can have a full time employee under your roof being paid contract labor using YOUR tools, electricity and supplies, he's on more crack than Rick James!!!

When they come back to commect those back taxes and fine you....PLUS impose penalties and intrest, your 18 year dream will turn into a nightmare.

You CANNOT hire employess under contract labor with the road you are taking.......trust me, I have been there!  Like I said, i hope you make it and will never discourage anybodys dream, just do it legally.  The Government needs money and they are cracking down!   You would be much better off paying that young man who offered to do them for $200.....atleast the "employee" as we will call them are off your property, using their tools.   Learn your tax code.

GOOD LUCK!!
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« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2011, 10:12:22 AM »

All employees will be given a 1099 form as contract labor to start with until we can get into this further. Employees will be responsible for their own taxes.

Brandon, I wish you well and I TRULY hope you find success in your dreams.  BUT PLEASE sit down with a Certified Public accountant!!!!  PLEASE!!!   If you have those 2 employees working under your roof the IRS is going to come back and RAPE you for those taxes YOU did not withhold.  If your CPA now is telling you that you can have a full time employee under your roof being paid contract labor using YOUR tools, electricity and supplies, he's on more crack than Rick James!!!

When they come back to commect those back taxes and fine you....PLUS impose penalties and intrest, your 18 year dream will turn into a nightmare.

You CANNOT hire employess under contract labor with the road you are taking.......trust me, I have been there!  Like I said, i hope you make it and will never discourage anybodys dream, just do it legally.  The Government needs money and they are cracking down!   You would be much better off paying that young man who offered to do them for $200.....atleast the "employee" as we will call them are off your property, using their tools.   Learn your tax code.

GOOD LUCK!!

1099 is doable but first learn how to stay within the law
1. do not advertise to hire a employee, asking to hire a taxidermist might be better.
2. treat it more like a wholesale venture
3 charge a fee, monthly probably for their space in the shop, same with tools rentals they will be using
4 you cannot tell them. when to come to work or go home, take lunch or anything like that. they are their own boss.
5 you keep your leverage over them instead of being a boss, you either give them more work or not except work that is not up to your spec's, just like you would do for wholesale work.
6 find out the rules of using a 1099 and then you can make it work out to your needs.
7. keep good records that list everything, for when IRS decides to target 1099 businesses
this is just a couple idea's to stay within the law on 1099 but it is very much doable. good luck
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« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2011, 12:54:34 PM »

"probably looking for a GUY who has no wife and kids to move."

Counts me out! Smiley
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« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2011, 01:41:01 PM »

"probably looking for a GUY who has no wife and kids to move."

Counts me out! Smiley

LMAO!!!!
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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2011, 01:05:41 AM »

I cannot comment on the largest taxidermy business in the Tristate area as I am in the tristate area and operate a fulltime commercial business as well what I can comment on is pricing as your pricing seems a little low to me for the area We operate in.  I personally know a guy who mounts deer heads for $225 in our area and I say more power to him He must truly love a minimum wage job  I truly hope he takes in so much work he doesn't have time to sleep.  So many wildlife artists are afraid to ask the price but the true taxidermists know what their work is worth and the customers will come irregardless of the price.  Yea you may lose a few but The ones who get back a piece that truly wows them will send more and more customers to you.  When told of the guy down the road that mounts deer for $225 my response is that is good money for the work he is performing.The business model of Walmart, low prices brings more work does not work in our business and it is the primary reason why most Taxidermy shops fail because at the end of the day you have to do all the work not the minimum wage employees that Walmart uses.  When you take in more volume than you can do everything you have worked for during the past years will be lost with customers who cannot get their work back in a reasonable amount of time.   Focus on doing your absolute best work and continue honing your skills in the field and before you know it you too will make the jump from working for the man to being the man and running a fulltime commercial business.  I truly wish all us local guys could be buddies but at times some of the local guys seem to want to operate a cutthroat business.  I will be the first to tell you I am not that way and I would help you in any way I can.  Need a pair of eyes I got em need some hide paste I got it also.  Need some advice I got that as well.  We should all try and help each other out in this business as their truly isn't very many of us across this great country of ours.
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« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2011, 11:54:35 AM »

I want to thank everybody for your comments both good and bad. Many times even the bad comments help open your eyes to things you don't normally see or consider. I posted on here knowing I would get some negative feedback. I did it for that reason. There's not too many people I can talk to in this circumstance owning a taxidermy business and trying to make it grow. The key is being able to put out volume, quicker turn around time , and high quality work. When you have guys like Russel Knight who has built what he has and guys like Allen Palermo in Texas. There is no reason I can't have the same. I have visited Allen Palermo and have called Russel's shop to discuss these subjects such as employees, payroll, shop layout, turn around time, etc...... After careful considerations and taking everything into account, I have hired my cousin which worked for me in the past and a good friend who is out of work also willing to learn. They are being hired part time as contract labor and yes I have discussed this with my CPA and everything is taken care of. Benefit is the trust factor and they live close to the shop. Prices  for mounts are being raised this year. I have not raised my prices in 10 years and like everybody else have been getting shafted on shipping price increases, etc..... We get alot of lifesize bears which take alot of time. I definitely have not been charging enough there. More than likely this is why we get that many bears but it interferes with the turn around on our heads and take up so much room.  My efforts are going to be put into expanding my shop size to make things move smoother and more efficiently. Create more room for mounts. Many times we are waiting on customers to pick up mounts to create room for more. I have a plan and it seems to be coming together nicely. Again, I appreciate everybody's responses and look forward to hearing from you in future posts. Nothing better than conversing with your peers. Only you all have a clue to what I am experiencing. Thanks!
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« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2011, 07:56:49 AM »

I want to thank everybody for your comments both good and bad.
There where no bad comments, all of it was advice, and side conversations. 
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« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2011, 12:58:44 PM »

Pardon my ignorance but this is a training board.  Why is a help wanted ad listed here HuhHuh
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« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2011, 01:01:38 PM »

Looking for cheap help.
New, just out of "school"  taxidermists.... Roll Eyes
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