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« on: December 29, 2011, 04:56:48 PM »

I was recently asked by a guy at work if I could do a Buffalo Carpet for him. He raises them and has a hide in his garage. My first thoughts are: the garage is not the best place for it to be, would my dakota IV do the fleshing job, how much would tanning be, and how would I wash the cape. Has anyone done a rug of this size at a smaller operation before? I told him I would put the word out and get some feedback. I sure like to try if he is willing to let me. Thanks
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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2011, 07:17:18 PM »

I did one once and it was a lot of work,very hard to get soft.It was pretty stiff when I got through.
I looks nice on the wall though.
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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2011, 10:28:24 PM »

Did you do the tanning yourself? And if you did how did you go about doing that?
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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2011, 06:56:32 AM »

I'd love to have some more bison skins to work on. I have a 3500 psi belt drive washer and a turbo nozzle. They flesh really quickly and easily with just a bit of gas.. the smaller ones like the calves need a bit more acceleration than the larger skins. Once washed on both sides, one can then frame them in a frame that is 1' larger on all sides.. tighten and stretch to dry and then thin that skin down carefully with a large angle grinder. You might want to salt before drying.. You can then rehydrate in a brine solutions easier and go on to using pickles and stuff to tan them with. Course you could use oils and smoke. Oil tan them. Bit tougher with salt in the skin, salt isn't always a great thing to leave in the skin! The idea is to thin them down enough to have whatever medium you're using to fully penetrate the skins, the whole idea of tannage! You want a FULL tannage.. Rugs can get wet and damp and all and if there is salt at all it will only attract MORE moisture so to prevent mildew one has to use their head and make sure things are done adequately!
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2011, 09:39:33 PM »

Are you talking about a preasure washer? A large angle grinder...wouldn't a regular flesher work? If you are looking for a hide I could ask the guy if he would sell you one, he raises them.
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2011, 10:48:16 PM »

Yes.. large pressure washer, turbo nozzle, large angle grinder.. that way after you frame the skin, wash it get the hair dry.. then you can thin that baby.. rather than have that big skin kill ya. I have thinned a couple of elk on the Dakota and whew.. it's a work out.. it is a work out. .. did I mention that, it's a work out? well it is.. no bones about it. It just seems a lot easier to pick up an angle grinder and hold that then pick up the dang bison skin and thin it on a wheel.

Naw I got a guy a few miles away with a bison farm. Last time I saw him he was talking about culling them all and leaving for FL! They're all probably still around! Now's a great time of year though.. hmm.. should go check them out! I wouldn't hesitate to pull out the washer.. long as the machine's running the pump's not FREEZING! The angle grinders.. especially the large ones thin bison down nice.. just have to dull a new metal blades edge first so that it's dulled that way it won't cut the hide.. you know the large 7" angle grinder one uses during car repair or other things? I took the guard off of mine.. fleshes the crusty dried ones without cutting into the skin too. real nice..but it's very messy.. throws flesh and fat EVERYWHERE! that's if you DON"T have a power washer.. I like the power washer BETTER for fleshing.. quicker and easier to pull the trigger.. kinda gets water and meat and fat everywhere but it does a super job on the hair side too.. and those are usually a heckuva matted muddy mess. You absolutely NEED the turbo nozzle though.. don't use one without it. they don't work well without one and can cause plenty of damage.. well anyway just tossing out a few thoughts.. you want pics? I don't think I Have any angle grinder pics.. I got my garage wall all covered in meat and fat and hair from using one.. myself too! It works really well though, IMO! long as you don't hold the angle grinders in any one place for long while thinning after their dried.. There's a skill to it. You might want to have some slight idea on where they NEED thinning beforehand too.. Like the spine, flanks. near the tail. neck.. usually the shoulders do not require any.. go from thick to thin quick.. anyway hope this helps. I love working on bison.. they're awesome!

This was a young cow bison, a fall skin. Thin to begin with.. the holes in the upper part were from me thinking I was going to flesh it like a deerskin. NOT.. I used the 2400 psi washer on it.. and another buff.. it wasn't long before water was spraying everywhere out of that machine.. seals.. I was heart broke. It was in the shop before long!

This is my favorite 'tool' to use.. wash the bison skin with the washer and take a tool like this and boy you can see the yellow glues rolling down to the ground.. I stop washing when the water changes to clear! It's way cool. If I wash a deer skin with one and take my finger and rub it on the skins that I've squeegied off with the ulu shape tool the hide is squeaky clean.. how cool is that??
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2012, 10:12:07 AM »

This is great! Thank you for posting up the pictures I appreciate it.
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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2012, 11:16:58 AM »

I have rugged several. They make a beautiful rug whether you mount the head on or remove it. This client wanted a short rolled leather border and carpet backing. I would highly recommend a professional commercial tan for any skin that is to be rugged.

Kind regards,
Mary

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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2012, 10:37:30 AM »

Looks great! Just out of curiosity what would tanning a bison/buffalo cost roughly?
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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2012, 02:16:41 PM »

12 per sq ft on a fleshed and salted hide at midwest in st. cloud,   to answer your other question, yes i do wholesale prep work on just about anything (not your buffalo, i do enough of those as it is)   stop down sometime, i got a light day on tuesday if that works for ya
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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2012, 04:16:27 PM »

Stuffit,

  I highly recommend YOST Fur Dressing in Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin. Their number is 920-743-7162, ask for Elaine. I have been using them and referring my rugging clients to them for the past 20+ years.

If you need help making it into a rug, send me a PM.

Kind regards,
Mary
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2012, 05:29:38 AM »

Thanks for the input guys. Not sure if I'll do the buffalo but I do have to send out a grey fox after I learn how to skin it for a rug.
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