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antlerman
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« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2013, 03:25:16 PM »

Since licensing is a sticking point, do you support unlicensed hunting and poaching. Any of you Western states might want to chime in about the idea of Native Americans hunting year round.

George, I'm not protesting licensing, or regulations for that matter. I'm protesting the notion that the deer belong to the citizen's. Ask ANY DNR representative and they will tell you otherwise. I have asked, and I am stating it exactly as it was stated to me numinous times over. As for the Native American's...........ON THEIR PROPERTY GEORGE.  Just the way it should be. NO government should be able to tell me what I can and can not do on my property. If I wanted to grow 10,000 acres of marijuana on my property for my personal use, it should not be something that I could be arrested for. Not you, not me or anyone else. And I agree with Non-typical........EST and Chitcago need to fall off into their respective waters. Dump that trash into the Mississippi and Lake Michigan respectfully with a cement block tied to their ankles. .
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« Reply #46 on: December 16, 2013, 05:24:09 PM »

High Fence animals is nothing more than livestock!The power for managing wildlife should be awarded to the countys! I do agree there are pockets of deer where they are out of control however there are numerous areas with no or very few deer.One plan for the whole state will not simply work.Take a good hard look to what has happen to the moose population in Northern Mn.The Dnr doesn't have a clue??? If you fly over this part of the state all you will see is PACKS of WOLVES THEY INTRODUCED in the 90s!!!The DNR need MILLIONS OF TAX PAYERS MONEY IN THE NAME OF RESEARCH to study this problem!REALLY!!! If you own land and you want to raise livestock you should have that RIGHT!I thought we lived in the US of AMERICA and not US of COMUNISM!!!! The last arial surveys were conducted by college Interns that had some formula multiplied by the number of deer they thought they saw!The simple sad truth the states have overregulated all hunting and fishing activities nationwide.The botom line they have been given BILLIONS of Dollars in the last 10 years and it sure the HELL hasn't gone toward wildlife!Most of these DNR agencys is nothing more than propaganda for job justification to fill there own pockets!We as outdoorsman and conservation supporters deserve better productivity!NOT EXCUSES!! THEY have FAILED and need to be held ACCOUNTABLE!! They always whine they need more money!!! If these idiots cant work on the budget they are allowed then its time to get some one else that can. Another FACT over 89% of all DNR EMPLOYEES don't hunt or FISH!  Majority of people have loss all respect for the DNR!They did it to them selves! 
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« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2013, 05:28:11 PM »

Prove your facts....quit making stuff up!!  Where's your source for the 89%?
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« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2013, 05:36:57 PM »

seems like smitty got in trouble with the DNR for some reason and is pretty upset about it.  Wildlife belongs to the people, the state DNRs do their best to manage wildlife.  They are obligated to acknowledge and attend to all peoples opinions of how it should be done, and most of them use science to base their decisions.  Science shows deer in midwest were too high and people were asking to get the populations lowered.  IF deer are starving, that means the population was above carrying capacity, Yet your argument is deer are starving and populations are too low..where does that make any common or scientific sense?  People here complaining the state has too much control and the people should make management decisions..but when the state gives the opportunity to take "7" deer the people can't make the decision to harvest or not harvest based on their own management choices?  The state has too much power, but yet you complain about the state letting PEOPLE have the choice of letting people come onto their land to retrieve game?   People used to make their own choices on wildlife....the people almost wiped deer out of the United States..along with turkey and many other animals...with the states managing the peoples desires..we now have wildlife most places in the world would be amazed at.  The carrying capacity of wildlife is harmed by our agriculture where most food and cover is removed before winter hits.  Deer must be harvested and most harvested deer are compensatory mortality, not additive.  this is ignoring the idea that wild tail deer are not really "native" to many midwest states.., but they followed the wasteful ag west across america and out of the woods.  With ag being more efficient and less corn being left in field, the carrying capacity is less.  Some places may be hurting, i know we have lost a lot of deer this year and last year to disease, not the fault of the state, if anything last year it helped lower the over population of deer.  The state can not control disease or the drought we had last year and places had this year.  Science showed they were overpopulated..and they were at least here in South Dakota.  I would say after last years drought we were back around were we needed to be, but this year we lost more to disease in late summer, by the time it happened, the state already had issued most the deer tags for this year, they can't just take them back from people.  They issued tags based on what they could prove at the time, nothing said they would lose a bunch of deer late this year.  the population was high, the state issued more tags(which people always want anyways), now that the population is most likely about where it needs to be, the people are  now used to the idea of getting more tags and no one wants to give them up.  So the state doesn't lower the tag numbers like they should..bc of what the people are asking for.



YOU people really need to go to a DNR board MEETING! THERE IS A REASON YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO RECORD OR VIDEOTAPE!!!!MINNSESOTA DNR CLAIMS OWNERSHIP...If you wound a deer a it goes on Private GRound and you CAN PROVE IT was hit and you were legal where it was shot the DNR should make an effort to retrieve it from posted ground.EHD and BLUE TOUNGE is PREVENTABLE!!!! It is expensive to do however if you want to claim ownership of wildlife its your responsibility to take care of them!!!! Just why is it on Tribal lands there is tons of GAME???? Pull your head out the DNRs a$$
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« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2013, 05:41:50 PM »

Prove your facts....quit making stuff up!!  Where's your source for the 89%?



ANDY O JUST ASK THEM yourself! Check out MN outdoor news. It no secret the the last 3 Head Wildlife Bio for MN never bought a LIC on a 10-45 back ground check.Pull any name that works for the DNR and see how many have purchased a LIc.
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« Reply #50 on: December 16, 2013, 05:53:34 PM »

George...you really need to be careful using that tracking device you call a droid.
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« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2013, 06:39:21 PM »

EHD is preventable. Is there some miracle out there that wipes out the midges that spread it? Do tell.
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« Reply #52 on: December 16, 2013, 10:09:57 PM »

Tim, your problem stems from trying to interchange the word "citizens" with the word "individual".
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« Reply #53 on: December 17, 2013, 09:22:53 AM »

EHD is preventable. Is there some miracle out there that wipes out the midges that spread it? Do tell.

I'm just guessing here on if this is what smitty is talking about, but there is a serum available for breeders to vaccinate their livestock with. It is expensive, but know of a few breeders who do vaccinate. The problem is, once infected...it's too late to vaccinate. That is about the only thing I think he could be referring to.  :-\
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« Reply #54 on: December 17, 2013, 09:35:25 AM »

Maybe they could air drop some doctored-up acorns on them. Sort of like the poisoned mice they dropped over Guam to kill snakes.  ;)
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« Reply #55 on: December 17, 2013, 06:27:23 PM »

Just received conformation Keith Warren will be at the Minnesota Deer Classic representing Minnesota Deer Farmers ;)
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« Reply #56 on: December 17, 2013, 06:30:58 PM »

EHD is preventable. Is there some miracle out there that wipes out the midges that spread it? Do tell.


We spray twice a  year to prevent EHD. VERY HIGH SUCCESS RATE in preventing EHD!!!There also is a injection that is a vaccine that also can be given.
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« Reply #57 on: December 17, 2013, 07:18:50 PM »

Smitty, again, you're talking about controlled herds in confined areas. How much would it cost to spray the entire state of Minnesota TWICE? That's dollars taken from hunters funding of state wildlife areas and simply is not worth the expendature.

I'll send you a QDMA application for Keith Warren.
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« Reply #58 on: December 17, 2013, 07:38:11 PM »

EHD is preventable. Is there some miracle out there that wipes out the midges that spread it? Do tell.

 but there is a serum available for breeders to vaccinate their livestock with. It is expensive, but know of a few breeders who do vaccinate.


We spray twice a  year to prevent EHD. VERY HIGH SUCCESS RATE in preventing EHD!!!There also is a injection that is a vaccine that also can be given.

THERE IS NO VACCINE FOR EHD THAT ACTUALLY WORKS ! SPRAYING CAN REDUCE THE RISK BUT DOESN'T NOT PREVENT IT.

If a vaccine worked, I as a breeder and my fellow counter parts would do so with out any regard in the cost of it.
The value of just one pedigree breeder buck or doe would out weigh and cost of a vaccine. They would be be getting it at any price !

www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7-153-10370_12150-26647--,00...

Treatment and Control
There is no known effective treatment or control of EHD. Theoretically, an oral vaccine could be developed for administration through a supplementary winter feeding program, but this is presently impossible, impractical and unwarranted.
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« Reply #59 on: December 18, 2013, 04:38:48 AM »

Dr. Shipley at the University of Illinois has in fact came out with a vaccine. How effective it is? I'm not sure. However, I do know it is being used with various breeders.
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