Mt. Goat whitening

[abbytaxi]

Let me start by saying I've searched the forums for this and all I can find is other posts telling people to search the forums.
I do most of my own tanning but have sent the white skins out however I would like to start tanning them myself as well.  My plan was to add some 40 vol. peroxide in small amounts to each of the steps,  some in the rehydration, wash, 1rst and 2nd pickles, and to the tan. Is this a bad idea and if not how much peroxide can i add to each step without damaging the hair per 20 gallon batch

[fishslayer13]

Knoblochs has a fur bleach made just for hair on tanning its a great product us it !

[DDavis]

UP in the right hand corner ,click on old forums and put in bleaching mt. goat . George has a good post in there that tells you how to bleach it using 40 vol. peroxide . I have done it George's way and they have turned out great. If you cant find it fill free to e-mil me 

[fishslayer13]

Yeah I used to do the paint on bleach years ago. Knobloch is a powder mix it with water in a tank or garbage can put goat in solution pull out and its done. Put back in pickle. Follow directions and your good to go.

[George Roof]

I've never used Knobloch's so I can't say it won't work as well as peroxide.  I'm just one of those people who'd find it very difficult to believe that a water activated product could work as well as peroxide.  If you're using the recipe I listed, you can only repeat the process one more time. It's done after the tanning process is complete and this ensures that all the residual dirt, dust, and moss burns that can wash out, will have been washed out.  Peroxide (for that matter, ANY bleach) is tough on hair.  Ladies can vouch for that.)mixed with the magnesium carbonate works extremely well and afterwards, it's very important to use a conditioner on the hair so that the wool underneath fluffs up and holds the hair erect.

[abbytaxi]

what about adding peroxide to the pickle and wash etc.  I've heard of it being done before with good results,  just curious how much I can add of the 40 vol. without hurting the hair.  I'll try the other methods mentioned but for right now i've got lots of peroxide so it would be handy if i didnt have to order anything else.
thanks for the responses

[George Roof]

Adding peroxide to the pickle is counter productive.  Peroxide (H2O2) mixed with water (H2O) simply dilutes it farther and reduces the effectiveness of it. Peroxide is "unstable" in that when it contacts air, it readily gives up that extra oxygen  and reverts TO water.

[cyclone]

I would advise against using peroxide in any acid baths whether it be the pickle or the tan.  Peroxide is, of course, an oxidizer...added with an acid in a pickle and it will most likely enhance the oxidative ability...You'll be oxidizing the skin as well as the hair.  You could end up with a ruined cape.

In the tan it would most likely react with the tanning agent(s) rendering them useless, or worse, destructive.

I'd stick with a proven method..

Search the old forums for "bleaching sheep" it's there.. 

[abbytaxi]

thanks for the replies

[Rush]

1/2 lb of salt per gal of water, 1/2 lb of knoblochs bleach per gal of water, bring Ph up to 9 or 10 throw hides in for about 6 to 8 hrs, rinse with water, and put back in pickle.  This bleach will turn it snow white.

[George Roof]

Rush, let me get this straight.  You go from an acid to a mid-range alkali for TEN HOURS and then you put it back in the pickle?  Sounds like a great way to make goat leather.

[fishslayer13]

Instrutions for use say something weird like that George. We use half the amount of bleach called for and leave in 1 hour and everything comes out snow white. return to pickle over night and then tan. I wouldn't suggest anyone run it that long.

[James Marsico]

I mount a lot of mountain goats. I refuse to let a tannery beach them because they might (probably will) ruin the cape trying.  I always send every cape possible out to a good tannery after I wash them after the first salting to get them as clean as I can. After the goat is mounted I brush on 20% cream peroxide with basic white mix and then I place a plastic bag or sheets over the mount and let it set for a few hours. Then I wash off the bleach and apply instant neutralizing cream and towell wipe that off and then I shampoo and use conditioner, air and towell dry. This works great on goats and Dall sheep also but you have to watch the sheep closer because the hair is more touchy to deal with. The instant neutralizing lotion is the key to very soft white hair. This works and if it is not your cape I would not be trying things that might not.

[fishslayer13]

Hey Jim I hear ya !  In the past and  present a lot of tanners use the bleach paint on method and thats where the  bad rap comes in. they singe the hair. 
Over the years we have done many a goat and sheep and never had a problem with any of them, using knoblochs fur bleach.

[James Marsico]

I used knobblocks once and threw what was left in the trash; the results sucked.  You HAVE to include the instant normalizing lotion step and watch it all close ( a lazy employee or one wanting to go to lunch or home, etc. is all bad when bleaching capes) and then the paint method is the best, bar none by far.