tucking lips

[deerslayer64d]

I am on my 9th mount and I find I have more lip than the forms  allow  in the corner of the mouth,  I have ben using a drimmel tool to extend the lipline  but is this normal ?  do yall have this problem ever ?  whats the cause and the cure ? Thanks in advance  Gordon

[ladyarcher726]

just dremel a deeper slot at the back of the mouth so you have the room to tuck that extra skin.  Oh and don't actually extend the lip line, stop where the form stops.  I was taught that you only need 1/4" of lip skin to tuck.

[Jake Smith]

Dont extend you lip line it will look unnatural. All I do is at the end of my lip line I use a 3"deck screw,just cause they are handy' and run it back into the mouth corner make in the extra room to tuck the extra skin. Not the best pic but might help.

[CAMOGUY]

I USE TO HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM BUT I FIGURED IT OUT I WAS STRETCHING THE HIDE TO MUCH.  NOW THAT WAS JUST ME.   

[turkeyjim]

You don't need to drummel any part of your lipline. Cut your lipline in with a very thin jigsaw blade or razer blade. Take your tucking tool and push it into the corner of the mouth, I go in three directions. Trim the tucking material to about a 1/4" I cut a little shorter in the corner, and make sure the lipline is thinned very thin, makes it ALOT easer to tuck. Align your nose and bottom lip and tuck them. Take your tucking tool and pull it back and find the corner of the mouth. Tuck it in make sure the hair patterns are correct,
 
and with every tuck after that, keep pulling the tucking material back towards the corner of the mouth, that will take up all the extra material.
Hope this helps.
Jim
 

[Dougtman]

Camo guy are you MAD or is your caps lock stuck?  

I've extended the lip line slightly on a couple of mine, looks ok, i don't dremmel though I prefer a tighter lip slot for holding the skin.  I have an exacto blade that has the sharp edge sort of like a flat tip screwdriver.  Works well for cutting a little and extending... I agree if you do to much it will look unnatural.

[Ihntdeer]

Try tucking the back corners first, then get the nose pad lined up it.  and then do the same process on the bottom. You'll find that you'll be able to easily taxi the skin between the back corner and the tip of the nose.  (I hope that makes sense)

[Bobbi Meyer]

I took a tip from george and cut off the back corner of the lip, but just stay out of the hair line...makes a much neater tuck.

[deerslayer64d]

I took a tip from george and cut off the back corner of the lip, but just stay out of the hair line...makes a much neater tuck.

its  not that I cant fit it . its just that the corner of the mouth seems to be 3/4  to 1 " farther back than the lipline on the form . I will try to tuck from the back forward on my next  and not to stretch it as much . thanks for the advice !!!! Gordon

[bullwhacker]

If you are using a Meder form then it does seem short and I think it is. I do use a small drill bit in a dremel. You have to wrap tape around the bit to get it to fit in the dremel.

I do go a little past the back corner of the mouth when I dremel. Then I will put a small roll of clay there when mounting.

I have also just figured out a way to do the corner. I normally tuck the upper lip under the nose, then do the corners, then finish the upper lip, then clay the lower front of the lip and tuck it.

I use a probe to tuck the lips and on the corner I kind of use it to roll the skin into the slot. It is hard to explain but just trial and error and it is very fast.

[George Roof]

Guys, you NEED to leave the damned Dremel hanging up except for the nostril work.  You need that slot to be tight to hold the lip in place so you don't have to put enough nails in that sucker to hold a house together.  A Dremeled lip line WILL SEPARATE in a few months and look like crap.  Cut that slot with either an Exacto knife or, as I do, a jigsaw blade that's had the kerf sanded off and makes a very THIN cut. 

On the back of your lips (the infamous "corner" that bunches up, you need to cut off that hide.  You're trying to take a piece of skin that, in life, is three dimensional and turn it into a two dimensional piece.  On the inside of your hide, lay the lip flat against the skin and draw a line straight down across the corner of the mouth.  Take your scalpel and remove that skin. Then you have a top lip and a bottom lip, no semicircular back lip to worry about tucking. 

I'm working a closed mouth lifesized black bear right now. IF it has the skin similar, I'll try to take pictures tomorrow and show you exactly what I mean if you can't follow the word picture.

[deerslayer64d]

I am pritty slow  so pics would be great!! I only use the dremel to extend the lipline , I use my liptucking tool on the rest of the lipline  thanks again  for the help . Gordon

[ladyarcher726]

On my next deer I'm giong to press in the lip line with a modeling tool.  I apparently can't cut a straight line with a dremel and I feel it's too wide anyways... so I agree with George on this one!

[Matt]

I agree, you shouldn't use a dremel for any lip slot. My lip slot might be 1/16" wide at most, and have no problem tucking into that. The thinner it is, the cleaner the liplline will be.

[4txdrm]

George is right leave the dremel  alone, What help me a few years back is I started tucking the skin In the back corner first but i use very little skin here, the big trick is put the skin in the back corner where it belongs. The skin in the back corner goes back not down or up BACK, Kinda tough to angle you tool and skin in but you can do it. by doing this you pull that extra skin that is not extra where it belongs and then finish up with what works for you, I like to tuck the top first but my deer is upside down and then I complete the bottom. On the bottom always line up you bottom lip first,