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Title: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: eddieb on November 06, 2008, 11:00:09 PM
I received a few e-mails concerning my eye finishing technique so I set my camera up today and photographed the process.
I hope this will help others that might be curious about this process.
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The Apoxie Sculpt is thinned with Safety Solvent. Great stuff..must have!
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All the above photos were taken with a flash. The finished photo below was taken in sunlight, no flash. This caused the coloration to be different.
I will brush in the corner of the eye with a dry "Paintless" brush to blend the different colors together. Also around the outside areas to blend and soften.
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w131/eddieb363/Eye9h96114x6resized.jpg)
After the eye has dried I will spray a satin acrylic sealer on the fleshy area and put Modpodge in the corner of the eye as well as in the lower lid next to the eye.
So the "Finished Eye" photo you see hear is not really the finished eye!

Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: * on November 06, 2008, 11:04:45 PM
Yes indeed, the same we did it in the OLD DAYS before airbrushes
I see some still do  ;D
Good pics and great technique.
Before Apoxie sculpt we used Beeswax
I liked this post  ;D
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: Manny on November 06, 2008, 11:13:52 PM
Thanks for the helpful info, some of us werent around back in the day.
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: eddieb on November 06, 2008, 11:22:41 PM
Thanks for the helpful info, some of us werent around back in the day.
Ha, What do you mean "back in the day"? I did this today!
Seriously, I still use this technique as well as airbrush. I seem to be able to blend and soften the colors
with oils better than with an airbrush. (Maybe that's because I paint with oils on canvas from time to time.)
I still have to crank up the compressor to do the ears though.
..."back in the day"...
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: Michael Butler on November 06, 2008, 11:25:22 PM
Very nice job Eddie.. Great post... Thanks for taking the time to share..
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: * on November 06, 2008, 11:44:25 PM
Not insulting you Ed  ;D
I just used to do that way LONG time ago  ;D
I'm gald you show that you don't need a fancy airbrush to get GREAT RESULTS
Just goes to show Newbies if it aint broke no need fixing it.
The method of eye finsih that is.. ;D
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: Norste on November 06, 2008, 11:47:21 PM
That really gives a nice soft look to the finished eye, beautiful work Eddie!
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: utsiishi on November 07, 2008, 04:34:04 AM
why did you botherm with the flock when you painted over it anyhow?
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: eddieb on November 07, 2008, 07:02:15 AM
why did you botherm with the flock when you painted over it anyhow?

When you clean the eye and also when you blend the corner with a dry clean brush the pink shows through slightly in some places. The Apoxie Sculpt in the lower lid is not painted over so it remains pink. You just can't see it in the photo. I rebuild the lower lip at the same time for the same reason.I will post another photo that shows what I am talking about later.
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: utsiishi on November 07, 2008, 07:08:54 AM
ok, thanks eddie
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: Jon S on November 07, 2008, 07:35:35 AM
How long do you give the oil paint to dry?
I've done similar with acrylic paints with good results, but the oils look a little better, and of course are easier to blend. Still better than I could do with an airbrush though.

Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: Greg Livbucks on November 07, 2008, 09:09:45 AM
Looks great!
I just wonder why you use the red flocking if you are just going to paint it?
Maybe the pics don't show the color nuances.
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: eddieb on November 07, 2008, 09:33:53 AM
How long do you give the oil paint to dry?
I've done similar with acrylic paints with good results, but the oils look a little better, and of course are easier to blend. Still better than I could do with an airbrush though.


I waited a couple of hours for the white to dry a little. I have waited overnight before adding the brown.
This deer is a light colored deer. I would have made the brown area darker depending on the deer.
Looks great!
I just wonder why you use the red flocking if you are just going to paint it?
Maybe the pics don't show the color nuances.
That is a good question. It is hard to see the subtle details...See previous post.
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: eddieb on November 07, 2008, 09:44:36 AM
One other explanation for using the pink Apoxie Sculpt..I mix up enough to do the tear duct, nostrils and lower lip. I just found it was easier than using black Apoxie Sculpt on the nict. membrane and then mixing pink for the rest. You can experiment with gradually removing a little of the black at a time so that just a subtle shade of pink is exposed. The oil paint blends so well that you get a nice blend of the pink, black and umber in the area just in front of the eye that I can't seem to get with an airbrush. Also, this is a "commercial" customer deer as opposed to a competition deer. 
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: Adam Wright on November 07, 2008, 09:49:53 AM
Thats a great post, thank you! Ive only done 4 heads and ive used oils to finish the eyes and nose. Im going to get an airbrush for the nose and ears but after seeing this post im going to stick with the oils for the eyes. Do you finish the nose with oils also? If so i would love to see how you do it.
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: eddieb on November 07, 2008, 09:58:06 AM
Thats a great post, thank you! Ive only done 4 heads and ive used oils to finish the eyes and nose. Im going to get an airbrush for the nose and ears but after seeing this post im going to stick with the oils for the eyes. Do you finish the nose with oils also? If so i would love to see how you do it.

Thanks, Yes I do the nose with oils also. I will try to post some photos of that later.
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: Nina on November 07, 2008, 10:47:40 AM
very nice, soft and clean eye.
and great post! I use artist's brushes and oils to finish also.
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: wtd on November 07, 2008, 10:27:09 PM
Thank you for taking the time, and sharing your skills
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: Donnie C. on November 08, 2008, 12:36:59 PM
This would be great for the tutorial section. Awesome work!!
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: Scott R on December 01, 2008, 08:09:55 PM
Thx for posting this Eddie... :)  I very much admire your work, and will be sure to give this a try on my next mount as I to strive for that soft looking eye that you so easily reproduce.
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: Josh K on December 02, 2008, 08:56:25 AM
Very Nice Thanks for the post!!
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: eddieb on December 02, 2008, 10:10:51 AM
Thanks for the compliments. I posted the finished mount on: Game head of the week (Starting Nov 28th.)
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: Pescado on December 02, 2008, 10:17:40 AM
To speed drying time. a quick coat of laquer sealer (sprayed) over the oils will realy speed up the drying.
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: Derek Plaisance on December 02, 2008, 06:21:36 PM
great post...i'll have to try that next time.
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: Tim Duncan on January 25, 2009, 09:42:08 PM
great work
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: redbluffcustoms on January 26, 2009, 12:37:48 AM
great tutorial,eddie, thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: Scrubby on January 26, 2009, 05:49:31 AM
one thing that I noticed unlike alot of people they paint too much around the eyes where as this was just right. Let the critter dictate how much to use and where you might need to apply a little here  great post. I use to and still do once in a while.
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: Custom Artist on January 26, 2009, 06:47:45 AM
Thanks so much for posting that! I was taught with an airbrush but hav ewanted to try oils!
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: Jared Adams on January 26, 2009, 06:51:36 PM
Loved it!! Great post, can't wait to try it. Looking forward to seeing the way you do your noses also. Jared
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: otis on January 27, 2009, 07:30:59 AM
very nice job. wished i could do that good
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: pdmd2911 on January 27, 2009, 09:17:00 AM
FYI guys,
Winsor Newton makes a fast dry oil paint. This should help eliminate the long drying time without sacrificing the benefits of oils. If you can't find them locally try the web. Found several suppliers that carry it.

Here's a link to their FAQs on this paint
http://www.winsornewton.com/products/oil-colours/griffin-fast-drying-oil-colour/frequently-asked-questions/

Beautiful eye work. That lid crease is dead on. Always appreciate the tips.

I doubt the $300 dollar guys are putting that much effort into their eyes!
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: sarahdj on March 26, 2009, 10:35:29 AM
Hobby Lobby carries the WN quick dry paints
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: baileystaxidermy on March 26, 2009, 10:49:44 AM
That is awesome thanks for sharing that with us!!! Have always used oils for paintings just never thought about using them on the actual deer. Looks Great!!!
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: shammy on March 28, 2009, 11:50:26 AM
thanks Eddie, greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: brushwolf on March 28, 2009, 11:56:36 AM
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Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: Diamondhitch on March 28, 2009, 07:54:56 PM
I know my eyes arent in the same class as eddieb's but I figured I would post a dark whitetail and dark muley coloration. They may be of use to someone.

The whitetail is done exactly as eddieb but after the burnt umber a VERY small amount of raw umber was added just to slightly darken it up just a bit.

The muley was done exactly the same as my dark whitetail and then a VERY VERY small amount of black was added to further darken it. For a light muley I stop at the raw umber similar to a dark whitetail. I should also mention to always leave the trench from the caruncle to the tear duct noticably lighter on a muley.

This is a great technique. Thanks eddieb for illustrating it so well.
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: Diamondhitch on March 28, 2009, 07:56:00 PM
Here is the Muley
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: tylerdeloach32 on June 24, 2009, 12:42:27 PM
interesting thanks for the post
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: Brandon Wilbur on June 24, 2009, 03:24:30 PM
interesting thanks for the post
X2.......But what about the nose tutorial.I was getting all pumped up reading this post.
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: tylerdeloach32 on June 24, 2009, 03:28:25 PM
interesting thanks for the post
X2.......But what about the nose tutorial.I was getting all pumped up reading this post.
same
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: waterdogutah on July 03, 2009, 10:43:35 PM
thanks for sharing. Something new to try.  H20dog
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: Alicia L on July 31, 2009, 11:21:06 PM
I love this post!  I plan on trying this in a few days... :)
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: Lil-Sneekee-Hope on February 05, 2010, 11:56:44 PM
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Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: racksandriverstaxidermy on February 07, 2010, 07:55:52 PM
Nice
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: silverman on March 13, 2010, 08:40:53 AM
Hi Eddieb,
           Do you also have pictures of doing the nose?
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: bigrack2427 on June 13, 2011, 01:04:15 AM
I am pumped up to on the nose tutorial. I did my first set of eyes with the oils and I always thought my eyes were pretty good but just lacked that soft touch until this thread.. My eyes that I did turned out great and I could not be happier and I have to say that I will put my airbrush down from now on when it comes to the eyes.. Now I would love to see the nose post too and see how to make what I do even better... Also I read where Eddie said that this is just a commercial mount set of eyes what are the other steps that he would have done to make these competition? I am thinking of starting to get into competitions just trying to push myself even harder but looking at those eyes and the ones I just did myself I would have considered great so what are the things on that eye that would need to be different for that level of competition?

Hi Eddieb,
           Do you also have pictures of doing the nose?
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: fht on August 01, 2011, 12:20:52 PM
Thanks for the tips
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: bentstik on December 01, 2011, 11:12:04 PM
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Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: April Payne on December 04, 2011, 01:42:52 AM
Very nice pics. Any particular reason why you make the apoxie sculpt a fleshy red color and then paint it black later on for the nic. membrane?
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: eddieb on December 04, 2011, 03:07:18 PM
Very nice pics. Any particular reason why you make the apoxie sculpt a fleshy red color and then paint it black later on for the nic. membrane?
Thanks, April. First I'm using the fleshy apoxie to fill in around the eyes, tear duct and nostrils so I already have this mixed. I wanted the pink as a base color. After I painted it black I could wipe it slightly to allow a little pink to show through. (As per some membranes I've seen)
Recently I have been experimenting with adding dark brown flocking to the initial pink colored apoxie and I like the result. That way the black paint is not needed at all.
I could tell by your Avatar that you were perplexed by that. :)
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: Greg Livbucks on December 04, 2011, 03:47:45 PM
That comment at the end was priceless.
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: April Payne on December 05, 2011, 12:25:08 AM
Very nice pics. Any particular reason why you make the apoxie sculpt a fleshy red color and then paint it black later on for the nic. membrane?
Thanks, April. First I'm using the fleshy apoxie to fill in around the eyes, tear duct and nostrils so I already have this mixed. I wanted the pink as a base color. After I painted it black I could wipe it slightly to allow a little pink to show through. (As per some membranes I've seen)
Recently I have been experimenting with adding dark brown flocking to the initial pink colored apoxie and I like the result. That way the black paint is not needed at all.
I could tell by your Avatar that you were perplexed by that. :)


What do you mean by that last comment? Is it that obvious that I'm a n00b? :P
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: rachelGabri on December 05, 2011, 02:26:45 AM
Very nice pics. Any particular reason why you make the apoxie sculpt a fleshy red color and then paint it black later on for the nic. membrane?
Thanks, April. First I'm using the fleshy apoxie to fill in around the eyes, tear duct and nostrils so I already have this mixed. I wanted the pink as a base color. After I painted it black I could wipe it slightly to allow a little pink to show through. (As per some membranes I've seen)
Recently I have been experimenting with adding dark brown flocking to the initial pink colored apoxie and I like the result. That way the black paint is not needed at all.
I could tell by your Avatar that you were perplexed by that. :)

Hope you will post your updated stuff with the changing colors of the apoxie from red, black upto light pink!

As I am very eager to see them!
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: Greg Livbucks on December 05, 2011, 07:45:20 AM
April, I think he meant your avatar pic looks like you are deep in thought. Twas a little joke.
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: eddieb on December 05, 2011, 02:21:24 PM
April, I think he meant your avatar pic looks like you are deep in thought. Twas a little joke.
Yes..that's what I meant!
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: Jamie E on July 22, 2012, 11:09:38 PM
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Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: Shannon T. on September 30, 2012, 02:13:30 PM
I know this thread is from July...but did the nose pics ever come up anywhere else?
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Post by: brigham boy on March 30, 2013, 08:51:13 PM
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Shut up and mount
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Post by: jhunter13 on March 30, 2013, 10:01:22 PM
Nice eyes. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by: Five-O Taxidermy on November 15, 2013, 10:03:15 PM
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Post by: CrookedRiver on July 18, 2014, 05:47:48 PM
Very nice
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Post by: Allenrain on July 19, 2014, 12:20:22 AM
I have that painting at 2 35
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Post by: Bayou Boy on June 04, 2016, 08:57:00 AM
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Post by: Loretty_Lauren93 on January 01, 2017, 11:10:56 PM
Is this better suited to do while the mount is drying or after?

Thanks!

Lauren
Title: Re: Finishing Whitetail eye with oil paints
Post by: KatieC on January 03, 2017, 12:19:17 AM
Lauren, you don't want to start any finish work until the mount is completely dry.
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