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Title: Pictures of Deer Skin Before and After Fleshing
Post by: darkbloodwyvern on April 07, 2008, 01:20:32 AM
Does anyone have any pics or links where I can see a fresh skinned then defleshed skin?

 I am going to try to start some tanning work, but I have very little idea what the processes should look like!  I have some squirrels and deer feet i want to practice a few different types of chemicals on and see which i like best. 
  thanks in advance for advice!
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Nina on April 07, 2008, 01:31:50 AM
I have a buck cape to flesh tomorrow, I'll snap a few pics of before and after.
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Lisa M on April 07, 2008, 03:09:09 AM
Here's one thread that might help you too...it's turning eyes, ears, lips etc.  The tutorial part begins on the 2nd page.  Glen Conley really pitched in big time.  Mostly just remember to get as much of the meat & membranes off as you can.  With feet you won't have to turn eyes etc, but the pics show good examples anyway.

Nina's pics will help too Dark.  Good luck & have fun!


http://www.taxidermy.net/forum/index.php/topic,11042.0.html
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Nina on April 07, 2008, 10:23:07 PM
Here are the pics. Hope this helps.

Before

(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii52/ninaxpants/taxidermy%20shop/shop_pics001.jpg)

(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii52/ninaxpants/taxidermy%20shop/shop_pics002.jpg)

Splitting the eye lids, and fleshing around them

(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii52/ninaxpants/taxidermy%20shop/shop_pics003.jpg)

here is a picture of the hide in the middle of fleshing.

(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii52/ninaxpants/taxidermy%20shop/shop_pics004.jpg)

finished and ready to go into the Krowtann

(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii52/ninaxpants/taxidermy%20shop/shop_pics005.jpg)

(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii52/ninaxpants/taxidermy%20shop/shop_pics006.jpg)
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: DevinCamPA on April 07, 2008, 11:13:05 PM
wow nina...what do you use to flesh? that looks perfect
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Nina on April 07, 2008, 11:15:46 PM
I do all the facial fleshing by hand with a Havel's #22 scalpel blade, and everything else on my Dakota 5 fleshing machine.
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: oldterryr on April 07, 2008, 11:47:17 PM
nice pics nina
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Bighunter4x4 on April 08, 2008, 05:56:39 AM
Nice pictures Nina.  Thank You.  Have you always had the Dakota 5 or was that an upgrade? 
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Ron Elkins Taxidermy on April 08, 2008, 08:46:42 AM
Good job again Nina!
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: George Roof on April 08, 2008, 09:33:12 AM
Nina, the pictures speak for themselves but the work is simply great.  That's an excellent fleshing job.
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Nina on April 08, 2008, 11:07:45 AM
Thanks for the compliments everyone. Bighunter, I got the Dakota 5 about two years ago. It is my first and only fleshing machine. I want to uprgrade to the Dakota Pro when I get some extra money.
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: 3 and 0 Outdoors on April 08, 2008, 02:57:36 PM
Great pics and a great job Nina.  I got to get a dakota pro.
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Adam Wright on April 08, 2008, 03:13:53 PM
looks a lot better than my mini-flesher lol, probably took half the time too
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: BMan40 on April 08, 2008, 03:46:16 PM
wow those pics definitely raise the bar on fleshing...... Note to self to NEVER post pics of fleshed capes.......

I cannot imagine how long it took to get it that clean?
Please tell me that was not a 30 minute job.......

Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Bobbi Meyer on April 08, 2008, 04:11:53 PM
I tried once or twice to use my fleshing machine for raw capes but it reminded me too much of when I had to clean the meat department at Kroger...GROSS...too hard to clean that raw stuff out of the machine for me. BUT...if you treat the hide with the Stop Rot about an hour before you flesh, it works pretty good, and doesn't seem to gum up as much.
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Country Girl on April 08, 2008, 04:19:15 PM
WOW!!! nina, that is a great fleshing job.... I hope i get that good before too much longer... CG :D :D
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Bobbi Meyer on April 08, 2008, 04:22:02 PM
looking again...is that a bottle of Stop Rot in picture # 3?
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Nina on April 08, 2008, 04:24:57 PM
Bobbi, I agree with what you said, and yes that's Stop Rot. I only applied it to the face. On this particular cape which was kind of bloody, I dusted it all over with some dry preserve, and that took out the majority of the moisture right away. This made the fleshing job much easier, since I wasn't working with a slimy cape. It also probably won't affect the tanning process, because the DP was only applied to the red meat on top and all of that was removed in fleshing.

Bman40, I honestly don't remember exactly how long it took. The facial fleshing with the scalpel takes the longest, but it pays off in the long run (less flesh to shave off after tanning) That meat is much easier to remove when the skin is at its green state, than when it has been through the Krowtann. I can tell you though, that everything I did on the fleshing machine was a breeze and didn't take long at all. Once you get used to your flesher you learn to become more proficient with it.
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Beaumont taxidermy on April 08, 2008, 04:40:46 PM
Nina - nice work...  on the fleshing, and also with the photography.... 
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Bobbi Meyer on April 08, 2008, 04:47:57 PM
I know the couple times I did it, I really had to set the lip of the blade down so it wouldn't bite into the actual skin. Do you do that too Nina?
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Tom King on April 08, 2008, 04:50:35 PM
Nice Work Nina!!!!
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Nina on April 08, 2008, 04:52:25 PM
Bobbi, I hold the skin a certain way, tight with both hands and make quick sweeps from left to right, not letting the blade go deep into the skin. This prevents it from catching the skin and making holes.
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: D.W.M. on April 08, 2008, 09:15:21 PM
Thanks for posting this it shows me what I'm shooting for.
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: big tine on April 08, 2008, 09:25:33 PM
NIna,would you be willing to sell the dakota five and put the money toward the pro, How hard was it to learn to use it?
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Nina on April 08, 2008, 09:49:59 PM
big tine, If I did sell it, I don't think I could come up with enough money quick enough to buy the Pro. I have to keep it for now.
Nina
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Lisa M on April 09, 2008, 10:09:54 AM
You did good work Nina.  Even though it's not technically a Tutorial, I'm nominating it anyway.  You show exactly how a cape should look before tanning and that's a great thing.  Thank you for taking the time sunshine!
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Nina on April 09, 2008, 10:13:23 AM
No problem Lisa! I am glad I could help you all. Thanks :)
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Bobbi Meyer on April 09, 2008, 10:44:49 AM
Yes lisa I agree !
It gives a beginner an idea of how clean it should be if they are going to use the Krowtan.
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Tacker on April 09, 2008, 10:54:21 AM
WOW!  Nice job Nina.
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Kurt Rojemann on April 09, 2008, 11:12:56 AM
Very nice Nina.   I guess I'm guilty.....I admit, my capes don't look near that clean before they go into the Krowtann.   :-\

I may have to try it....especially if it is easier to remove the meat before the tan.  I always feel the faster I can get the cape in the tan after thawing, the easier I can breath...lol.
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Nina on April 09, 2008, 11:15:50 AM
Zubba, capes don't necessarily have to be that clean (on the face, maybe, but on the neck and shoulders, it is ok to leave some membrane) It is just way easier to get the meat fleshed off while still raw. Try it and let me know how it works out for you.
Nina
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Kurt Rojemann on April 09, 2008, 12:53:59 PM
I will have to give it a shot.  I usually split/turn, remove big chunks of meat, then toss in Krowtann.  A big reason is timing.  Working a full time job, I worry the thawing process will get the best of me....lol.  Sometimes my capes have been thawed for a while before I get home to start splitting/turning.  So to prevent spoiling/possible slipping, I get them in the Krowtann as soon as possible.  Maybe I worry too much...since I haven't had a slipping problem yet.    But I would like to try it.....anything to make fleshing easier and faster.  Thanks again.
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: oldterryr on April 09, 2008, 10:58:36 PM
i will be adding some pics of kt tanning without all the prefleshing later on - nina's work is impeccable
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Dc taxidermy on April 10, 2008, 12:12:24 PM
Zubba i do the same thing, I completely flesh, Krowtan, Thin, neutrilize, than mount. It works a lot easier that way for me.
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: oldterryr on April 10, 2008, 11:34:16 PM
bump
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Marty Dupertuis on April 11, 2008, 12:09:35 PM
Hey Nina, that looks familiar.  The doe cape I bought from you a while back was fleshed like that.  That is by far the best fleshing job I have worked with.  I have it tanned, and I am sure before i mount it, there will be little to no fleshing needed.  The preparation you put into the skin goes a long way toward the overall quality of the mount.
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Tom King on April 11, 2008, 06:34:06 PM
I was fleshing mine that good before I was putting it into the Krowtan but I was shaving them again with the skiff and machine after the tan so I decided that I was just doing extra work.Now I split and get the thickest parts off around the eyes and nose(I turn eyes to the fatty tissue around the lids)and get the big chunks of meat off.After the tan in 3 -4 days then I will neutralize and skiff around the eyes and run it on the machine.Last thing I do is wash the cape in Dawn and I seem to get a much more relaxed stretchable cape that way.............Fleshing it before the tan is only a plus though............Keep up the good work Nina............It took me years to get to where you have gotten so fast......That's amazing!!!..................Tom
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Lenny on April 12, 2008, 08:32:40 PM
Nina, Ever think about making a video? Just the still shots are great.
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Nina on April 12, 2008, 08:35:59 PM
My video camera got crushed from being dropped out of a treestand this year. :( No videos for a while
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Nina on April 12, 2008, 08:38:27 PM
Back to the deer skin, I took it out of the Krowtann today and it tanned up great. Even in the key areas like the eyes and nose, the skin only swelled up a little bit, which will make for some real minimum thinning. If you guys want I'll post pictures of thinning too.
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Beaumont taxidermy on April 12, 2008, 08:47:29 PM
please post them Nina... 
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Stephen Horton on April 13, 2008, 01:35:23 AM
Nina,
You ever tried to flesh the face with your Dakota?
Just curious.Noticed your talking about getting a Pro...I also use the Dakota 5.But I use a draw knife from the ears down.(alittle faster for me)Then after turning,& splitting I use the five as a detail flesher.With alittle practice You can flesh the whole face.Plus works great for thinning lips.
My uncle has a Pro.I wouldn't dare attempt thinning lips with the pro.I guess I value my fingers to much.......
Great fleshing job
Title: Re: Pics of defleshing?
Post by: Nina on April 13, 2008, 12:17:03 PM
Dawg, I should have been clearer, I flesh the general face area with the Dakota, but all detail areas like the eyes, nose and lips are fleshed with a scalpel.
Nina
Title: Re: Pictures of Deer Skin Before and After Fleshing
Post by: darkbloodwyvern on April 24, 2008, 04:00:40 PM
wow.  thanks for all the info and pics!  looks great...  *can't wait to get tools*
Title: Re: Pictures of Deer Skin Before and After Fleshing
Post by: rice194 on April 24, 2008, 09:20:10 PM
Nina, wow what a outstanding job! But why in the world would you do that when the cape is green. Its not a good Idea to work on a green cape like that. I just get heavy meat and fat off and salt while turning and let the cape dry out and then rehydrate and pickle then shave it . I guess I just don't seen any advantage in doing that through of a job when the cape is green. Although the lips,nose and eye's are easier to spilt when the cape is green. Just my opinion. Any way outstanding work!