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Title: Whitetail deer neck inscision
Post by: Larson on December 06, 2006, 11:39:51 AM
I am working on my first shoulder mount white tail.  The book I used for the caping procedure has me cutting the back of the neck from the base of the antlers all the way down to the end of the cape.  Is this common practice?  Dont most just do a "Y" cut around the anters  and turn the caper over the head?  What is the point of cutting all the way from the anlters to the shoulders as shown in the guide I am using?  The bad part about it is I have extra sewiing to do because I followed the instructions before I figured it out.  Or does this need to be done to fit the caper over the chest of the form?
Title: Re: White taile deer neck inscision
Post by: Nina on December 06, 2006, 12:14:46 PM
Most people now just use the Y incision....it cuts down sewing time a lot, so that is all I use
Title: Re: White taile deer neck inscision
Post by: Low T on December 06, 2006, 12:40:25 PM
6 of one  and a half dozen of the other, An open long cut is easy because you can set the antlers first and sew the cape around it, on the short Y cut, you place the antlers on last after the cape is on the form. Being new, sewing can take a long time on the long cut. You can turn the cape inside out, lay it on the table, sew it up and turn it into a short Y,  before you put it on the form.
Title: Re: White taile deer neck inscision
Post by: chris_kreiner on December 06, 2006, 12:42:51 PM
I have done it both ways.  The short Y makes for less sewing but it can be a little more difficult to fit the hide over the form.  I don't mind the extra sewing myself it only takes an extra 10-20 min. to go all the way down the back seam.  I really don't have a preference either way works for me.
Title: Re: White taile deer neck inscision
Post by: Bobbi Meyer on December 08, 2006, 03:01:49 PM
I can follow your pictures until the last two then I'm kinda lost..what are you hooking the metal hook into? are the skewers just there to hold the hide out of the way? Then which direction do you peel the hide off? Sorry so many questions, but it looks like a real time saver and we all know time is money...more details please !!! Thanks
Title: Re: White taile deer neck inscision
Post by: Low T on December 08, 2006, 03:35:16 PM
I think what Mike is showing you, is how he removes the antlers so the customer can brag them around town, then hangs the head and skins it out the rest of the way after the antlers are off. But his main point I think, is he shows how little he has to sew up using this method.

Thanks Mike, I think Santa needs to get me a Saw's all now.
Title: Re: White taile deer neck inscision
Post by: Matt on December 08, 2006, 09:39:58 PM
Short Y incisions make sewing easier and if you are working on a really short haired wt, it's the only way I would do them. If you stretch the cape alittle before fitting, you shouldn't have any problems getting it on the form to fit and prep.
Title: Re: White taile deer neck inscision
Post by: Bobbi Meyer on December 08, 2006, 10:09:18 PM
Less sewing for me would be great since I'm not too fast at it. I'm just confused about how he gets the skin off the remaining part of the head, thats all. I mean does he skin back as far as he can from the nose portion then cut the front of the face off  then pull the skin over the remaining face part or does he cut the neck off flush with the base of the skull and pull the skin down over the neck portion???
Title: Re: White taile deer neck inscision
Post by: Cole on December 08, 2006, 11:14:26 PM
Bobbi, once the antlers are removed he hangs the head from its spine upside down, then skins from the back of the neck forward. No antlers in the way so it comes right off.
Title: Re: White taile deer neck inscision
Post by: Jerry S. on December 09, 2006, 12:12:16 AM
Sorry but I'm confused . . . I've used the short incision for years on whitetail but I completely skin the head out through the short incision and remove all hide before cutting the antlers off. The method shown seems to be a lot of extra work trying to keep the hide out of the saw cut - not to mention the brain stuff getting into the hair.

  ???

Jerry S.
Title: Re: White taile deer neck inscision
Post by: whitebuffalo on December 09, 2006, 12:35:06 AM
I like that V cut never thought of that.
Title: Re: White taile deer neck inscision
Post by: Low T on December 09, 2006, 12:36:59 AM
Jerry S, go back and read why Mike does it that way, the customer is standing there wanting his antlers to take home.
Title: Re: White taile deer neck inscision
Post by: Jerry S. on December 09, 2006, 02:48:01 PM
Actually, Mike said that IF the customer is standing there, he didn't suggest using chisels. That indicates that he also does it this way if the customer isn't standing there.

Nevertheless, it only takes a few minutes to skin the head out through a short incision so why not just skin it out and then cut the antlers off?? It would result in a lot less messy stuff on the cape.

One day I had a slew of deer come into the shop and when I started skinning them out my wife timed me. The average skinning time per head, using the short incision, was less than 6 minutes each . . . and that was with no holes cut in the capes. Add a couple of minutes to pick up the sawzall and cut off the antlers and you are still under 10 minutes. If a customer is in a bigger hurry than that then he can go somewhere else!!
Title: Re: White taile deer neck inscision
Post by: Cole on December 09, 2006, 02:53:39 PM
You have much less sewing w/ the v-cut. this is the advantage. To each his own, there are always advantages and disadvantages to every method.
Title: Re: White taile deer neck inscision
Post by: michael p. on September 25, 2007, 11:55:40 AM
Why thje hell would you cut the antlers off BEFORE ??? I've heard of bass akwards & this kind of reminds me of that ::)
Title: Re: White taile deer neck inscision
Post by: Paul K on September 25, 2007, 03:49:41 PM
I really like to set my eyes before I put a cape on the form, I know this method dosnt really do much for my clay work. A tail on the V (Y) about 3 1/2 " is about the minimum I can get away with , without struggling to get past the head block and not wreck my eye set. Maybe I'm missing something.
Title: Re: White taile deer neck inscision
Post by: Scott H. on September 25, 2007, 06:36:07 PM
Mike Bunker,
Thanks for sharing the photos and the idea of the using a reciprocating saw. I've been doing the " V " cut for about twelve
years with a chisel.  I'll give the saw a try on the next deer and see how I like it.

Paul K. ,

There are a few different ways to doing the clay work when using a " v " cut. After you slide your hide on the deer, you can
rotate the hide to one side and clay one eye then rotate the hide back and do the other eye. If you prefer claying in
your eyes before slidding the hide on, you can make a pair of eye covers out of aluminum and pin them in place over the
clay work until the hide is on. Then just remove them from the opening on top of the head. The friend that showed me
the " v " cut, glues his eyes in the sockets of the form , slides the hide on, and then puts his clay through the eye holes
in the cape. This requires a little practice, but once you get use to it, it works really well.......This may sound like a lot of
hassle, but it's not. I like the " v " cut because it only takes me 10 to 15 minutes max to cape out a deer and I'm not very fast
nor do I like sewing. The bottom line with anything in taxidermy is do what works best for you.
Title: Re: White taile deer neck inscision
Post by: michael p. on September 25, 2007, 07:57:54 PM
I still don't understand why you cut the horns off before you finish skinning it ::) ::)

Mike Bunker,
Thanks for sharing the photos and the idea of the using a reciprocating saw. I've been doing the " V " cut for about twelve
years with a chisel.  I'll give the saw a try on the next deer and see how I like it.

Take my advice and get a "Millwauke" if you buy a reciprocating saw, they are worth the money, you won't regret it! ;)
Title: Re: White taile deer neck inscision
Post by: Scott H. on September 25, 2007, 08:27:27 PM
I start by skinning out the mouth all the way up to the eyes. Next, off comes the antlers, then I pull the cape over the head.

When skinning a doe, I do them seamless.
Title: Re: White taile deer neck inscision
Post by: Taflinger on September 25, 2007, 09:00:31 PM
Larson,alot of the veteran stuffers on here cut em all the way down.They say you can thin the cape better.A guy told me today that Jean Roll out of Michigan mounted a lifesize deer for the Smithsonian with a 16" belly cut.Some people just hate sewing I guess.
Title: Re: White taile deer neck inscision
Post by: John W. on September 26, 2007, 07:10:59 PM
Michael P.,with only cutting a v incision there's not a lot of room for skinning the head out,so you remove the antlers first.This is a great incision if you don't like to sew,takes a wee bit longer than other methods but you save your time on sewing.The sawz-all has to be one of the best tools for taxidermy ever invented,buy a 10 inch wood blade and go to town.My son and I use it to not only cut antlers off but to quarter up our critters.
Title: Re: White taile deer neck inscision
Post by: Brian Claar on September 27, 2007, 08:17:10 AM
Clay work through the eye holes ! ??? ???  I can't even imagine trying to do that!

I use the Y incision most of the time, but I have done a burr to burr (straight line) incision for competition.  I use a chisel.  Saw would be quicker and easier though.

MP,  cutting the horns off on a short incision makes it easier to get the skin off.   I only do this on competition work, or if a customer is in a hurry and wants to show off his mount.

PaulK, here is what I do to keep from messing up my eye work.
Do both eyes to make sure you have set them corrrectly.
Let them dry for about 45 min to an hour.  ( I use Critter Clay)  I have even used a blow dryer on them to speed up things.
Rough your form and finish prepping skin in this time. If your skin is thinned enough you won't mess up your eye work.
They should start to set by now.
Use alot of glue on the face and dont worry about getting it on the eyes.  Don't get stingy with glue on your head work, it helps you taxi the skin better.
 
Works for me everytime.
Title: Re: Whitetail deer neck inscision
Post by: jleonard44 on December 28, 2010, 01:59:52 AM
with the y cut done , then how do you get the hide back over the deer form with the antlers on?
Title: Re: Whitetail deer neck inscision
Post by: joeym on December 28, 2010, 06:53:27 AM
Take the antlers off the form, slip the hide over the form, then re-attach the antlers.
Title: Re: Whitetail deer neck inscision
Post by: jleonard44 on December 28, 2010, 11:21:37 AM
thanks, but i thought you had to sculped the antlers in with mache or clay., how would you take the antlers off again after you have done all that?
Title: Re: Whitetail deer neck inscision
Post by: Cole on December 28, 2010, 01:39:40 PM
thanks, but i thought you had to sculped the antlers in with mache or clay., how would you take the antlers off again after you have done all that?

I sculpt the muscles around the skull cap after the cape is on, and antlers have been re-attached.
Title: Re: Whitetail deer neck inscision
Post by: jleonard44 on December 29, 2010, 05:20:38 AM
thanks everbody. i guess i should be easy and not get the hidepaste on the hair....
Title: Re: Whitetail deer neck inscision
Post by: Randy Miller on December 29, 2010, 07:58:49 AM
I can follow your pictures until the last two then I'm kinda lost..what are you hooking the metal hook into? are the skewers just there to hold the hide out of the way? Then which direction do you peel the hide off? Sorry so many questions, but it looks like a real time saver and we all know time is money...more details please !!! Thanks



I click on the Mike Bunker tutorial, but I get this thread. What's up?