Turning ears

Submitted by Tim on 10/6/05 at 3:41 PM. ( ) 69.220.16.62

I really hope someone can help. I have ordered a taxidermy video and when he turns the ears he leaves the "meat free" cartiledge connected to the ear and inserts the ear liner behind it. I have looked everywhere and dont see where anyone else is doing this. I really hope this is not a dumb question, and I hope someone can help. Thanks

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Meat Free?

This response submitted by James on 10/6/05 at 3:56 PM. ( ) 205.188.116.195

Sounds like one of Cecil's vegetarian buddies. Probably he is talking about the ear butt cartilage on the base, that is the only part that has a large amount of meat that must be removed. As far as the actual ear cartilage, it should be removed if using earliners or it will not even have a chance to drum because you will never get it to stick.


Turning ears

This response submitted by TIM on 10/6/05 at 4:07 PM. ( ) 69.220.16.62

The guy on this prticular video leaves the cartiledge that runs all the way to the tip of the ear connected. And he slides the earliner between it and the skin and glues it with hide paste. I hope that is a little clearer.


depends on the liner.

This response submitted by Jerry on 10/6/05 at 4:52 PM. ( ) 69.169.222.239

I can't get plastic liners to stick to the cartiledge very well, but the celastic type will stick with adhesive caulk.


Tim, trash the video

This response submitted by George on 10/6/05 at 5:00 PM. ( georoof@aol.com ) 64.12.116.135

Though he might well have other good advice included in his tape, ANYONE who'd recommend using a liner with the cartilage is a fly-by-night taxidermist. Now it that offends some, then they should be. James gave you good,solid advice.


Ear Liners

This response submitted by Tim on 10/6/05 at 5:18 PM. ( ) 69.220.16.62

Okay there is one more thing that i am unsure about on the ears. I was told that you can leave the cartiledge connected and instead of a liner put some bondo behind the cartiledge. I thought we were doing taxidermy not auto body, but i figured i would ask the people who know.


Buy

This response submitted by John on 10/6/05 at 8:35 PM. ( ) 68.206.84.184

Sallie Dahmes Mounting a Whitetail A to Z video. She probably has the most detailed bondo ear method out there. I use bondo myself. Some folks hate it but I don't have big enough stones yet to try earliners.


THANKS

This response submitted by Tim on 10/6/05 at 8:37 PM. ( ) 205.188.116.195

Thanks alot guys!


funny George

This response submitted by Mike on 10/6/05 at 10:56 PM. ( ) 64.91.85.101

that was the method I was taught at A.I.T., leaving the cartilage in, punching holes through the plastic liner, and using Bondo as an "adhesive". Isn't it great! That was 5 years ago, wonder what method is the cutting edge now!.


Another ringing endorsement for taxidermy "schools"

This response submitted by George on 10/7/05 at 12:19 AM. ( ) 152.163.100.135

Mike, that method was common back in the 1960's. Earliners were made of lead and then tin. (Aluminum soda cans still work extremely well if you're so inclined.) As nothing would hold these thin pieces of metal under the cartilage, we stamped holes in them and used carpet glue on them. Most times on early season deer, the backside of the ear showed "craters" where the holes were. When Van Dykes and Jonas came out with the first plastic liners, we were told to remove the cartilage, but still stamp holes in the liners as no glue would work to hold them in at that time. In the 80's, while building furniture, I substituted some of my epoxy for the old contact glue. That led me to meet Steve Steinbring at Epo-Grip where I bought all my furniture adhesives. That led to Steve making epoxies especially for taxidermy work even though it was the same stuff I used so effectively on my furniture. The epoxies held ANYTHING regardless of preservation method and their use is the standard wya today. No hole punching is required, but cartilage is still removed for these plastic or celastic earliners.

I have to admit that I don't know anything about A.I.T., but I would HOPE they've modified their lessons plans to join us in the 21st century. Those methods you describe were canned nearly 15 years ago.


What about cartlidge liners?

This response submitted by Hedhunter on 10/7/05 at 12:53 AM. ( ) 67.84.145.169

George, while I agree with you about removing the cartlidge what about McKenzies cartlidge liners? I used them when I first started three years ago and they worked okay. Made the ear as thick as cardboard and the edges weren't to thin but it worked for the beginner. Also it was kind of hard to keep the liners pressed tight against the cartlidge but with really good epoxie and some good carding it worked. When I started removing the cartlidge is when I really learned how to sew!


tim look up ear magic

This response submitted by paul e on 10/7/05 at 10:59 AM. ( amfpaul@bellsouth.net ) 68.222.61.245

nothing wrong with ear liners
if you stay with it long enough and want to start competing
thats the direction youll end up anyway
but
ear magic is a great product whatever your experience
especially for commercial work
you can leave the cartilage in and get a pretty thin ear compaired to bondo
and if you cleaned the ear of meat,and in general
the ear will not drum using the ear magic
give it a try
p.s. look in the archives there is some good reading on ear magic


Remove Cartlidge!

This response submitted by Patrick Moran on 10/8/05 at 1:34 PM. ( flamingfoxtail@hotmail.co.uk ) 81.135.9.200

Make sure you get the cartlidge out. I am a beginner myself and i recently mounted a fox head. I didn't remove the cartlidge but slid the liners up behind them and the entire front ear skin turned smelly and disintigrated. I hope this helps.


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