AFTER THIS, I WILL NOT POST ANYMORE ON RELIGION. No sense in helping the people that don't want it. But the truth is always there if you need it. Not forcing it on anyone.
Well, Jim Marscio wrote:
Kim, I meant shinny side IN
This response submitted by Jim Marsico on 8/7/06 at 9:14 PM. ( ) 220.127.116.11
Kim believes Jesus and God are two seperate gods according to his past posts. This is JW and or a sect of Latter Day Saints or something simular; all good God fearing folks but wrong on matters of church history, Christain traditional faith and scripture. I do believe Kim loves God and is doing his best where he is at with it as most of are. I love him but he is fun to rile up anyway. "Father, may they be one as You and I are one".
NOW THIS IS MY REPLY. HAVE A NICE EVENING AND MAY YOU FIND SOME TYPE OF PEACE Jim.
JESUS never claimed to be God. Everything he said about himself indicates that he did not consider himself equal to God in any way—not in power, not in knowledge, not in age.
In every period of his existence, whether in heaven or on earth, his speech and conduct reflect subordination to God. God is always the superior, Jesus the lesser one who was created by God.
Jesus Distinguished From God
TIME and again, Jesus showed that he was a creature separate from God and that he, Jesus, had a God above him, a God whom he worshiped, a God whom he called "Father." In prayer to God, that is, the Father, Jesus said, "You, the only true God." (John 17:3) At John 20:17 he said to Mary Magdalene: "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God." (RS, Catholic edition) At 2 Corinthians 1:3 the apostle Paul confirms this relationship: "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." Since Jesus had a God, his Father, he could not at the same time be that God.
The apostle Paul had no reservations about speaking of Jesus and God as distinctly separate: "For us there is one God, the Father, . . . and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ." (1 Corinthians 8:6, JB) The apostle shows the distinction when he mentions "the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of the elect angels." (1 Timothy 5:21, RS Common Bible) Just as Paul speaks of Jesus and the angels as being distinct from one another in heaven, so too are Jesus and God.
Jesus' words at John 8:17, 18 are also significant. He states: "In your own Law it is written, 'The witness of two men is true.' I am one that bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me." Here Jesus shows that he and the Father, that is, Almighty God, must be two distinct entities, for how else could there truly be two witnesses?
Jesus further showed that he was a separate being from God by saying: "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." (Mark 10:18, JB) So Jesus was saying that no one is as good as God is, not even Jesus himself. God is good in a way that separates him from Jesus.
God's Submissive Servant
TIME and again, Jesus made statements such as: "The Son cannot do anything at his own pleasure, he can only do what he sees his Father doing." (John 5:19, The Holy Bible, by Monsignor R. A. Knox) "I have come down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of him that sent me." (John 6:38) "What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me." (John 7:16) Is not the sender superior to the one sent?
Jesus told the Jews: "I have come down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of him that sent me." —John 6:38
This relationship is evident in Jesus' illustration of the vineyard. He likened God, his Father, to the owner of the vineyard, who traveled abroad and left it in the charge of cultivators, who represented the Jewish clergy. When the owner later sent a slave to get some of the fruit of the vineyard, the cultivators beat the slave and sent him away empty-handed. Then the owner sent a second slave, and later a third, both of whom got the same treatment. Finally, the owner said: "I will send my son [Jesus] the beloved. Likely they will respect this one." But the corrupt cultivators said: "'This is the heir; let us kill him, that the inheritance may become ours.' With that they threw him outside the vineyard and killed him." (Luke 20:9-16) Thus Jesus illustrated his own position as one being sent by God to do God's will, just as a father sends a submissive son.
The followers of Jesus always viewed him as a submissive servant of God, not as God's equal. They prayed to God about "thy holy servant Jesus, whom thou didst anoint, . . . and signs and wonders are performed through the name of thy holy servant Jesus."—Acts 4:23, 27, 30, RS, Catholic edition.
God Superior at All Times
AT THE very outset of Jesus' ministry, when he came up out of the baptismal water, God's voice from heaven said: "This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved." (Matthew 3:16, 17) Was God saying that he was his own son, that he approved himself, that he sent himself? No, God the Creator was saying that he, as the superior, was approving a lesser one, his Son Jesus, for the work ahead.
When Jesus cried out: "My God, my God, why have you deserted me?" he surely did not believe that he himself was God
Jesus indicated his Father's superiority when he said: "Jehovah's spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor." (Luke 4:18) Anointing is the giving of authority or a commission by a superior to someone who does not already have authority. Here God is plainly the superior, for he anointed Jesus, giving him authority that he did not previously have.
Jesus made his Father's superiority clear when the mother of two disciples asked that her sons sit one at the right and one at the left of Jesus when he came into his Kingdom. Jesus answered: "As for seats at my right hand and my left, these are not mine to grant; they belong to those to whom they have been allotted by my Father," that is, God. (Matthew 20:23, JB) Had Jesus been Almighty God, those positions would have been his to give. But Jesus could not give them, for they were God's to give, and Jesus was not God.
Jesus' own prayers are a powerful example of his inferior position. When Jesus was about to die, he showed who his superior was by praying: "Father, if you wish, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place." (Luke 22:42) To whom was he praying? To a part of himself? No, he was praying to someone entirely separate, his Father, God, whose will was superior and could be different from his own, the only One able to "remove this cup."
Then, as he neared death, Jesus cried out: "My God, my God, why have you deserted me?" (Mark 15:34, JB) To whom was Jesus crying out? To himself or to part of himself? Surely, that cry, "My God," was not from someone who considered himself to be God. And if Jesus were God, then by whom was he deserted? Himself? That would not make sense. Jesus also said: "Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit." (Luke 23:46) If Jesus were God, for what reason should he entrust his spirit to the Father?
After Jesus died, he was in the tomb for parts of three days. If he were God, then Habakkuk 1:12 is wrong when it says: "O my God, my Holy One, you do not die." But the Bible says that Jesus did die and was unconscious in the tomb. And who resurrected Jesus from the dead? If he was truly dead, he could not have resurrected himself. On the other hand, if he was not really dead, his pretended death would not have paid the ransom price for Adam's sin. But he did pay that price in full by his genuine death. So it was "God [who] resurrected [Jesus] by loosing the pangs of death." (Acts 2:24) The superior, God Almighty, raised the lesser, his servant Jesus, from the dead.
Does Jesus' ability to perform miracles, such as resurrecting people, indicate that he was God? Well, the apostles and the prophets Elijah and Elisha had that power too, but that did not make them more than men. God gave the power to perform miracles to the prophets, Jesus, and the apostles to show that He was backing them. But it did not make any of them part of a plural Godhead.
Jesus Had Limited Knowledge
WHEN Jesus gave his prophecy about the end of this system of things, he stated: "But of that day or that hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." (Mark 13:32, RS, Catholic edition) Had Jesus been the equal Son part of a Godhead, he would have known what the Father knows. But Jesus did not know, for he was not equal to God.
'New Testament research has been leading an increasing number of scholars to the conclusion that Jesus certainly never believed himself to be God.' —Bulletin of the John Rylands Library
Similarly, we read at Hebrews 5:8 that Jesus "learned obedience from the things he suffered." Can we imagine that God had to learn anything? No, but Jesus did, for he did not know everything that God knew. And he had to learn something that God never needs to learn—obedience. God never has to obey anyone.
The difference between what God knows and what Christ knows also existed when Jesus was resurrected to heaven to be with God. Note the first words of the last book of the Bible: "The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him." (Revelation 1:1, RS, Catholic edition) If Jesus himself were part of a Godhead, would he have to be given a revelation by another part of the Godhead—God? Surely he would have known all about it, for God knew. But Jesus did not know, for he was not God.
Jesus Continues Subordinate
IN HIS prehuman existence, and also when he was on earth, Jesus was subordinate to God. After his resurrection, he continues to be in a subordinate, secondary position.
Speaking of the resurrection of Jesus, Peter and those with him told the Jewish Sanhedrin: "God exalted this one [Jesus] . . . to his right hand." (Acts 5:31) Paul said: "God exalted him to a superior position." (Philippians 2:9) If Jesus had been God, how could Jesus have been exalted, that is, raised to a higher position than he had previously enjoyed? He would already have been an exalted part of the Trinity. If, before his exaltation, Jesus had been equal to God, exalting him any further would have made him superior to God.
Paul also said that Christ entered "heaven itself, so that he could appear in the actual presence of God on our behalf." (Hebrews 9:24, JB) If you appear in someone else's presence, how can you be that person? You cannot. You must be different and separate.
Similarly, just before being stoned to death, the martyr Stephen "gazed into heaven and caught sight of God's glory and of Jesus standing at God's right hand." (Acts 7:55) Clearly, he saw two separate individuals—but no holy spirit, no Trinity Godhead.
In the account at Revelation 4:8 to 5:7, God is shown seated on his heavenly throne, but Jesus is not. He has to approach God to take a scroll from God's right hand. This shows that in heaven Jesus is not God but is separate from him.
In agreement with the foregoing, the Bulletin of the John Rylands Library in Manchester, England, states: "In his post-resurrection heavenly life, Jesus is portrayed as retaining a personal individuality every bit as distinct and separate from the person of God as was his in his life on earth as the terrestrial Jesus. Alongside God and compared with God, he appears, indeed, as yet another heavenly being in God's heavenly court, just as the angels were—though as God's Son, he stands in a different category, and ranks far above them."—Compare Philippians 2:11.
The Bulletin also says: "What, however, is said of his life and functions as the celestial Christ neither means nor implies that in divine status he stands on a par with God himself and is fully God. On the contrary, in the New Testament picture of his heavenly person and ministry we behold a figure both separate from and subordinate to God."
In the everlasting future in heaven, Jesus will continue to be a separate, subordinate servant of God. The Bible expresses it this way: "After that will come the end, when he [Jesus in heaven] will hand over the kingdom to God the Father . . . Then the Son himself will be subjected to the One who has subjected everything to him, so that God may be all in all."—1 Corinthians 15:24, 28, NJB.
Jesus Never Claimed to Be God
THE Bible's position is clear. Not only is Almighty God, Jehovah, a personality separate from Jesus but He is at all times his superior. Jesus is always presented as separate and lesser, a humble servant of God. That is why the Bible plainly says that "the head of the Christ is God" in the same way that "the head of every man is the Christ." (1 Corinthians 11:3) And this is why Jesus himself said: "The Father is greater than I."—John 14:28, RS, Catholic edition.
The fact is that Jesus is not God and never claimed to be. This is being recognized by an increasing number of scholars. As the Rylands Bulletin states: "The fact has to be faced that New Testament research over, say, the last thirty or forty years has been leading an increasing number of reputable New Testament scholars to the conclusion that Jesus . . . certainly never believed himself to be God."
The Bulletin also says of first-century Christians: "When, therefore, they assigned [Jesus] such honorific titles as Christ, Son of man, Son of God and Lord, these were ways of saying not that he was God, but that he did God's work."
Thus, even some religious scholars admit that the idea of Jesus' being God opposes the entire testimony of the Bible. There, God is always the superior, and Jesus is the subordinate servant.
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very wrong and twisted. I am sure you mean well. Faith is foolishness if it is grounded in falsehood. The CORNERSTONE of THE Christian faith is that Christ is TRUE GOD and TRUE man. If Jesus is not both God and Man, then we all have been deluding ourselves for over 2000 years. We are not saved merely by saying, "I believe in Jesus." What we believe about him matters. As Christains, all of us desire to have a personal relationship with the living Christ rather than some virtual Christ who does not really exist at all. Paul was so insistant on this point that he laid acurse upon anyone who would preach a false gospel about Christ. "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach(to you) a gospel other than the one that we preached to you, let that one be accursed!" Gal.1:18 Who is the correct Jesus? "I am the Lord and there is NO other, there IS NO GOD BESIDE ME" Is 45:5 In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with God and the WORD WAS GOD Jn.1:1 The humanity of Christ and the Divinity of Christ are signs of true Christain teaching. To deny either one is to teach in the "spirit of the antichrist." I AM the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end Rv 22:13 I AM the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God Rv 1:8 I AM (Yahweh in hebrew) Used by Jesus to decribe himself personally many times throughout the bible. Jesus said to them, "Amen, Amen, I say to you, BEFORE Abraham came to be, I AM." Look it up, pray about it; yes its important.
I guess you know more than all of the many scholars that have devoted decades working and researching Bible FACTS, learning and speaking ancient languages. Most things supported by the real texts and cross checked.
Like I have said before: Can't talk to you or teach you without having a common frame of reference. Go to school, do the research, study language, dig in the dirt and find the relics and then you will KNOW from personal experience what is truth (GOD) and what is only a teaching of man. You have to be able to know the basics. As long as life is good to you and the boat is never rocked, how can you ask questions and find out the real facts.
Regardless of what you think about me, I wish you well and a happy life. Take care...KIM
Scriptural Proof That Jesus Christ is God
Submitted by Rich B. on 8/3/06 at 1:13 PM. ( ) 18.104.22.168
The Deity of Jesus Christ
Scriptural Proof That Jesus Christ is God
by Pastor James L. Melton
As our society rapidly approaches the end- time events of the book of Revelation, Satan and his evil forces are doing everything within their power to deceive humanity and to condition men to worship an individual known as "the beast" or "the Antichrist" (Rev. 13:1-18). Satan has always had a desire to be worshipped as God (Isa. 14:12; Luke 4:7), and he will be worshipped as God in the coming Tribulation Period (II Thes. 2:3-4). In order to bring this about, Satan realizes that he must first DETHRONE the true God in the hearts and minds of people. That is, he must attack the Deity of Jesus Christ.
This attack on the Lord Jesus Christ is being executed in many ways by many different groups. Various cult groups, New Age groups, and even modern Bible translators have their own methods of robbing Jesus Christ of His Deity. Many young men today enter Bible colleges and seminaries believing in the Deity of Christ, and then graduate four years later with less faith than when they enrolled!
What about you, friend? What do you believe about Jesus Christ? Can you support your beliefs with God's word? That's the real issue: what saith the Scripture?
We challenge you to get your Bible (KJV) and check all the references that we are about to give. We are going to offer twelve Scriptural proofs for the Deity of Jesus Christ. That is, you are going to see twelve Bible proofs that Jesus Christ is God. Please do NOT take our word for anything. Our world is filled with deception because too many people believe what they hear without checking the facts. We urge you to search the Scriptures for yourself, and form your own convictions with God's word.
Jesus Christ Is God Incarnate
Quoting from Isaiah 7:14, Matthew 1:23 says, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." According to both of these verses, Jesus was "God with us" when He walked upon this earth. He wasn't merely "God's chosen one with us" or "God's Son with us." As I Timothy 3:16 states, "God was manifest in the flesh." John 1:14 tells us that "the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us..." In Zechariah 12:10, GOD said that HE (God) would be "pierced" by sinners, and Revelation 1:7 states that Jesus Christ Himself fulfilled this prophecy! Friend, the Bible presents Jesus Christ as much more than a great prophet and teacher. God's word presents Jesus Christ as God incarnate.
Jesus Christ Is Eternal
In John 10:28, Jesus said, "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." If Jesus Christ isn't eternal, then how does He have the power to give "eternal life"?
Micah 5:2 states that Jesus Christ is "from everlasting", which is exactly what Psalm 93:2 and Isaiah 63:16 say about God!
In John 8:58, Jesus said to the Pharisees, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." The term "I am" is the exact term that God used in Exodus 3:14 in reference to Himself! Jesus professed to be the eternal God of the Bible.
Jesus Christ Has Divine Names
Check these references for yourself. In Matthew 22:42-45, Jesus claims to be the "Lord" of Psalm 110:1. He allows Thomas to address Him as "My Lord and my God" in John 20:28.
He is the "everlasting Father" and "The mighty God" of Isaiah 9:6.
According to His own words in John 10:11-14, He is the "shepherd" of Psalm 23:1, Psalm 80:1, and Ezekiel 34:12.
God is the "saviour" in Isaiah 43:3, 43:11, 45:15, 45:21, Hosea 13:4, Luke 1:47, and I Timothy 4:10, yet this same title is given to Jesus Christ in Luke 2:11, Philippians 3:20, II Timothy 1:10, and II Peter 2:20.
God is the "Rock" of Deuteronomy 32:4, 32:15, 32:18, 32:30-31, I Samuel 2:2, and Psalm 18:31, yet this title is given to the Lord Jesus Christ in I Corinthians 10:1-4, I Peter 2:7-8, and Romans 9:33.
God is "light" in Psalm 27:1 and Micah 7:8, and then Jesus is "light" in John 1:4-9 and in John 8:12.
In Isaiah 44:6 God says, "...I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." In Revelation 1:17 Jesus Christ says, "...Fear not; I am the first and the last."
The Scriptures are clear: Jesus Christ is the God of the Old Testament.
Jesus Claimed Equality with God
Jesus says in Matthew 28:19, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" If Jesus Christ isn't Deity, then why did He include Himself in the Holy Trinity?
Jesus says in John 14:9, "...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?" Is the Father someone other than Jesus Christ? No, not according to Jesus Christ.
In John 10:30, Jesus says, "I and my Father are one." Isn't that clear enough?
Philippians 2:6 says that Jesus was in the "form of God", and that he thought it not robbery to be "equal with God"!
The Jesus Christ of the New Testament claimed to be "one" with God and "equal" with God.
Jesus Christ is Omnipresent
Only God has the ability to be everywhere at once, yet Jesus Christ claims this ability.
In Matthew 18:20, He says, "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." How could this be possible if Jesus were not Deity?
The same is true in Matthew 28:20 where Jesus says, "...lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." How could He be with each individual Christian always and be in Heaven at the same time? He is God, for only God has such attributes!
Jesus Christ Is Omnipotent
That is, He is all powerful. He has all power.
Revelation 19:6 states, "...the Lord God omnipotent reigneth." Then I Timothy 6:15 says that Jesus Christ Himself is "...the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;" If Jesus is the ONLY Potentate, then He must be the One of Revelation 19:6, God Almighty!
Also see Colossians 2:9-10, Revelation 2:26, and Matthew 28:18.
Jesus Christ Is Omniscient
To be omniscient is to have all knowledge, unlike normal men. The Bible declares that Jesus was indeed omniscient.
Unlike normal men, Jesus Christ had knowledge of specific details about His own death. In Matthew 16:21, Jesus said that He would go to Jerusalem, suffer many things at the hands of the scribes and the elders, be killed, and then be resurrected the third day. He repeats this prophecy in Matthew 20:19.
Matthew 17:27 offers the account of Jesus knowing of a certain coin in a fish's mouth before the fish is caught!
He knew specific details about a woman's life whom He had never met (John 4:16-19). He also had all knowledge about Nathaniel in John 1:47-49.
Friend, Jesus Christ is Deity because He is omniscient.
Jesus Christ Has Creative Powers
John 1:1-3 says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." The "Word" is the Lord Jesus Christ (John 1:14; I John 1:1-3; 5:7), and John 1:3 says that all things were made by Him!
Colossians 1:16 says, "...by him were all things created..." Consider Hebrews 1:1-3: "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;" You see, by Jesus Christ the worlds were made, and by Jesus Christ all things are upheld. He has the power to create and sustain the universe.
Jesus Christ Has Power Over the Elements of Nature
In Matthew 14:25, Jesus literally walks upon the sea, and in Luke 8:24, He rebukes the wind and it obeys Him. How could He perform such tasks if He weren't God? It must be understood that Jesus didn't pray for God to calm the sea; He calmed the sea Himself.
Jesus Christ Received Worship
If we're wrong in teaching that the Lord Jesus Christ is God, then He must have been wrong in allowing people to worship him. Jesus Himself said, "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (Mat. 4:10) Why would He say this at the beginning of His ministry and then spend His ministry allowing people to worship HIM?
In Acts 10:25-26, and in Revelation 19:10, worship of anyone other than God Himself is forbidden, yet Jesus willingly received worship throughout His public ministry (John 20:28; Mat. 8:2; 9:18; 15:25; 28:9; John 9:38). If He isn't Deity, then why didn't He correct those who worshipped Him?
Jesus Christ Forgave Sins
"And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." (Jer. 31:34) According to these words, it is GOD Who has the power and right to forgive sins. However, the New Testament says that Jesus Christ has this power.
Please notice Mark 2:5-11: "When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only? And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts? Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk? But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house."
Jesus Christ is God, because only God can forgive sins. It's true that He took on the form of a man for thirty-three years on this earth, but He was still God. He was God manifest in the flesh (I Tim. 3:16).
Jesus Christ Had Power Over His Own Life and Death
How many people do you know who have the ability to lay down their own life and then take it up again? Jesus had this power.
Consider John 10:17-18: "Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."
Jesus had the power over His own life and death! When He died, He willingly gave up His own spirit (Luke 23:46).
According to His own words in Revelation 1:18, Jesus Christ has "the keys of hell and of death." How could He possibly have such power if He were not God?
Friend, make no mistake about it: the Lord Jesus Christ is Deity. He came to this earth and suffered in human flesh for thirty-three years. He lived a perfectly sinless life, and then laid that life down as an eternal payment for your sins. Mohammed didn't pay for your sins, because Mohammed wasn't God. Buddha didn't pay for your sins, because Buddha wasn't God. You can't pay for your sins, because you aren't God. Only Jesus Christ is sinless, because only Jesus Christ is God. He Alone can save your soul from the eternal fires of Hell.
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." (Acts 4:12)
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6)
Friend, do you know the Lord Jesus Christ as your own personal Saviour? Have you been born again? If not, be sure and call or write today for your free copy of Understanding God's Salvation Plan. Nothing in your life is more important than your eternal destiny, and no one can help you more than the Lord Jesus Christ.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
If The Deity which is God dwells now in His body how can one say he is not God ? and he is the head of all principalities and powers( heavenly angels).
How can the begotten of the Father not be God ?
Arguing about religion has done nothing but start wars. Look at the middle east. You guys act like the bible is an autobiography, it isn't.
God created the things we do taxidermy on. For this we are greatfull,
as for the disscussions you choose to have on our web site we are not.
for Alex or Kim to strap on a vest and go visiting...
in the white jackets to make a visit. Lets see how they are in getting out of a straight jacket.
Kim, your response directed at me could of been mine with the names changed. Heres a question of current events and the correct answer: What is the purpose of life? The purpose of life is to KNOW God, love God and to serve God in this life and to be with Him in eternity in the next. The trinity of the godhead Father, Son and Holy Spirit IS the MOST BASIC Foundation of all Christain doctrine. This doctrine was clearly believed and taught by Christ Himself, the apostles, the early church, the bible and today by all main line Christain denominations. If you do not have FAITH to accept this foundational Christain doctrine about God it is NOT a good thing. I'll also quit now unless you continue to attack God for who and what he is: Jesus Christ, ie GOD come in the flesh, the Son of God in that Christ IS the Mirror image of the ONE and ONLY true God in the flesh who is desearving of ALL praise and glory as GOD.
Father why have you forsaken me? If Jesus was GOD then he would not have ask that.
God gave his only son, to save mankind.
Read the bible and read it correctly.
Mary had God's child, who was Jesus.
Pretty plain and simple
God, the father, Jesus Christ the son, Mary the mother.
seems all the Christian bibles says this. forget the hither to crap.
...are a LOST soul. Perhaps you will be saved! LMAO
Seriously speaking Cecil,
I believe that my casting of pearls before swine generated the expected fallout. I should have known better than to be genuinely interested in helping the people that post and read this forum. You can't even post something beneficial (taxidermy wise) due to the ungrateful comments and point-counter point crap. So, why not let people suffer and do without? They bring it upon themselves.
I will no longer participate in the religious dogma that festers forth from the deceived followers of Man's doctrine. This group could be called Satan's folly! But then, that might be an insult to Satan. LOL
Clearly, certain people lack the ability to look at and understand scientific evidence supporting professional researched and conclusive stated facts and even documented history. Why help the people that don't want it? Let them go. Simple teachings are beyond the mentally challenged. They feel safe in the grasp of the wicked one. Besides, it is a fact that many people are lazy and think everything should be handed to them. Many are a waste of flesh and simple cannon fodder.
I will not even post anymore-helpful tips for taxidermists. The corresponding insults and attacks from envious (little ones) prove that any person or business should think carefully before attempting to help those that are in need. The ungrateful deserve nothing. Truly the love of the greater number has cooled off.
Cecil, I don't want to see people get hurt but, the best thing that could happen to this planet is for Armageddon to take place and all of the terrible things mentioned in the Bible for the last days, to hurry up and happen. Let GOD and his son Jesus straighten things out. Mankind will not listen and deserves the punishment and total destruction foretold in many cultures and in the Bible. Let it come! Let his will be done!
BTW, funny post above. You have a happy day!
and said ,abba why have you forsaken me?
You need to understand the duality of the messiah 100% Man
...do the straps go to the front for easier detonation? LOL
All your questions would be answered in truth when and only you guys completely connect yourself with God, Creator, or Jesus who ever you pray to. God will tell you and teach you directly about the secrets of existence in all of His Creations. Jesus even mentioned a part of it on the Gospel of Judas which Jesus didn't mentioned to the Apostles. There are knowledge even some of the Angels don't know or places they haven't seen.
Be in unity and oneness! Once you do you will never want to be in your humanness again. You will obey God, Jesus like the Angels do because of your love and unity with HIM. Because of this you will see how corrupted and twisted humans are.
Everyone even Satan has a place in what you call Heaven. Satan will become again the Morning Star because of Jesus. There is re-incarnation and you will keep on coming back to earth until you learn your lessons, do your purpose on earth, and be pure again.
You are soooo off any page of all reality and or fiction its really scary. Here is a completely unbias page on Christain belief and history with lots of links and unbias anything. It is not a religous site! It is a research site. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Christianity Please check it out KIM.