Submitted by Ken Wampner on 8/11/06 at 12:42 PM. ( kewampner@wmconnect.com )

Time magazine did a nation wide survey and found that 30 percent of all people that were asked...could not tell what year the twin towers went down. Man...that is really sad.

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And many people think

This response submitted by Cecil on 8/11/06 at 1:09 PM. ( )

Saddam Hussein or Iraq has a link to 9/11. That's even sadder yet. Even our president has acknowlegded there is no link.

BTW, anyone notice the latest terrorists caught were of Paskistan descent? No Iraqi's, Syrians, or Iranians. Most of the hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi's.

Is it just a coincidence those that are out to kill us come from countries that are supposed to be our allies?


This response submitted by DaveT on 8/11/06 at 1:14 PM. ( )

You absolutely never cease to amaze me how you try to take everything and put your spin on it. Iraq was necessary despite whether anyone will ever be able to convince you.


And your closemindedness and stubborness never ceases to

This response submitted by Cecil on 8/11/06 at 1:44 PM. ( )

amaze me Dave along with your double standards. I've seen on more than one occasion where a poster posts something and you accuse the respondent of starting something. You truly are amazing.

So tell me please why was Iraq necessary?

Was it the WMD's that never materilized?

Was it to get rid of Saddam Hussein which of course wasn't the reason for going there in the first place, but it was a fall back reason once the WMD's didn't materialize.

Was it to force feed "democracy" down the throats of people that don't want anything to do with us? we bomb the *hit out of their country in "shock and awe" and then they don't want us there. Imagine that?

So was for their own good? If that was the case why did Bush say better to have them die over there than here? That doesn't sound like we had the people of Iraq's interest in mind to me.

Was it to send billions of dollars down a rat hole and expend a few thousand of our brave troops when Iran is the really danger in the region?

I see 100 people are dying on average every day in Iraq which wasn't even the case when Hussein was in power.

Dave, this administration f'd up and made a grave miscalculation and sooner we realise that the better off we will be.

Let's just agree to disagree O.K.?

'et tu Cecil?

This response submitted by charles on 8/11/06 at 3:37 PM. ( )

BTW Cecil, they were MUSLIMS! Put your spin on this, no one said it was limited to a race...that is your M.O when you "turn the rabbits loose" As for WMDs, it has been discovered, but it wont be announced from the rooftops as it is small amounts (my stepson is in a NBC warfare unit there) and your press wouldn't let it be known if they had found shiploads of it. We are sure that your standards for classifying weapons is far superior than the experts. Go ahead, rip me up on this, we are all expecting it. Where exactly do you get your popular opinion data from? From what I hear (troops returning) the Iraqis insist we stay and finish the job, their taste for democracy is quite ravishing. But you will deny this fact like a few of your comrads in the DNC. So your claim of "forcefeeding democracy" gets debunked all the time. Just 'cause YOU say it doesn't make it so. I know that millions of dollars (or billions) is wasted, but then, the same was said during WWII...you lack any historical knowledge. And your statistics of "100 dying every day (average)" compared to what Saddam committed, well lets see...hmmmm oh yeah, he did his slaughtering by the thousands so I'm quite sure he has still surpassed the death toll inflicted by the same Iraqis which are killing each other in the name of religion...bring it on...

P.S Cecil...

This response submitted by charles on 8/11/06 at 3:42 PM. ( )

When did you ever take the word of the President (Bush, not Kerry or Gore) "Even our president has acknowlegded there is no link." You are showing your hypocrisy...stick to fisheries and taxidermy.

Parlez Vous Francais Charles?

This response submitted by Cecil on 8/11/06 at 5:41 PM. ( )

I hope not. I mean how could you as a card carrying far right republican? LOL

Remember the french are cowards, imbeciles etc. etc. according to the likes of Brad Bushup and the right? No french fries please they're called "Freedom Fries." Duh. Never mind the french are our closest allies in the fight in Afghanistan, and they are working close with us to end the carnage in Israel and Lebanon, in addition to willing to put their butts on the line as peace keepers in Lebanon once the war stops.

Charles you're a genius. I never mentioned race. I was refering to countries remember? And since when are muslims a race? I hate to tell you this but it's a religion. There are muslims in eastern Europe that are as caucasion as you and me. Please get out and educate yourself.

WMD's won't be announced from the rooftops? You're kidding right? Even my dogs knows if they would be found this administration would be shouting it from the rooftops, as the way it stands now they were made to look like fools. But hey there were WMD's! But most were destroyed by UNSCOM and we were on our way to verifying that by Hans Blix. But our fearless warrior wouldn't have it. He wanted to go in NOW. I want my war! I want my war!

Since when do I take the word of our president? Who says I was taking his word for it? I merely showed that in his own words he said there was no link. Here's his own words:

"We have no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the 11 September attacks" - President Bush






and btw Charles

This response submitted by Cecil on 8/11/06 at 6:07 PM. ( )

how you can compare any of this with WWII is beyond me but if you insist here's something to consider:

In WWII, after the approximate same number of days we have been fighting in Iraq, approximately 1245 days, we were celebrating VE-Day (May 8th, 1945) and bearing down on Japan after a series of Island battles in which we made them surrender island by island.

You all

This response submitted by Lou on 8/11/06 at 6:12 PM. ( )

got it wrong and you can't see the forest for the trees baby ! Old numb nuts didn't take us into Iraq for WMD, he didn't take us to create a democracy in Iraq. He took us because the Israelis feared Saddam. Thats right my friends and that is why you'll be in Syria and Iran. In case you haven't noticed we are Israelis BITCH.

Oh yea you now you can call me an anti semite and that is how it works with Isreal, if you don't go along with their way of thinking you are against them. Remind you of anybody , thats right, old numb nuts, when you disagree with him your not patriotic. Well heres one vet who totally disagrees with him and we better wake up. The muslim world does not distinguish between us or the Israelis and until we understand why our planes and buildings will continue to come down.

wake up lou

This response submitted by Jim Marsico on 8/11/06 at 9:05 PM. ( )

I sure almost never agree with Cecil, but he at least makes sense when he's wrong. Dave and charles are right on but Lou you are a case poster child for nazi revivalism and ignorance. Whos bitch are you besides your own twisted mind? You sound as bad as a hate filled terrorist. You better lighten up buddy before you hurt someone.

Hey Jim

This response submitted by Lou on 8/12/06 at 6:23 AM. ( )

change your shirt you have right wing drbble all over the front of it !

Cecil, you never cease to amaze me...

This response submitted by charles on 8/12/06 at 9:52 AM. ( )

your knowledge is only surpassed by your ignorance. You have a perputual chubby for anything french...I never said anything in francais, you pompous bastard...pull your head out and see the world with all its truths. I am not going to "impress" you with my c&p abilities. If you cant keep an open mind and stick to the 1 argument that may be presented, well then, you are totally arrogant as you have demonstrated. And we all know about your saviour in Hans Blix...I do believe I shot most of your arguments about him out of the water last year. You were back-peddling so fast you...wow you are really full of yourself aren't you? I wont belabor the WMD point with you any longer, you refuse to accept anything less than your narrowmindedness. But to any other readers here, check out the book by General Georges Sada, Saddam's secrets: How an Iraqi General defied & Survived Saddam Hussein. Cecil, forget about the book, there are no pictures to crayon over...

common sence facts from a comedian

This response submitted by Jim Marsico on 8/12/06 at 11:00 AM. ( )

Dennis Miller on the Middle East

For those who don't know, Dennis Miller is a comedian
who has a show called Dennis Miller Live on HBO.
He is not Jewish.

He recently said the following about the Mideast situation:

"A brief overview of the situation is always valuable, so as a service
to all Americans who still don't get it,
I now offer you the story of the Middle East in just a few paragraphs,
which is all you really need.

Here we go:

The Palestinians want their own country.
There's just one thing about that: There are no Palestinians.
It's a made up word.
Israel was called Palestine for two thousand years.
Like "Wiccan," "Palestinian" sounds ancient
but is really a modern invention

Before the Israelis won the land in the 1967 war,
Gaza was owned by Egypt , the West Bank was owned by Jordan ,
and there were no "Palestinians."

As soon as the Jews took over and started growing
oranges as big as basketballs,
what do you know, say hello to the "Palestinians,"
weeping for their deep bond with their lost "land" and "nation."

So for the sake of honesty, let's not use the word "Palestinian"
anymore to describe these delightful folks, who dance for joy
at our deaths, until someone points out they're being taped.

Instead, let's call them what they are:
"Other Arabs Who Can't Accomplish Anything In Life
And Would Rather Wrap Themselves In
The Seductive Melodrama Of Eternal Struggle And Death."

I know that's a bit unwieldy to expect to see on CNN.
How about this, then: "Adjacent Jew-Haters."
Okay, so the Adjacent Jew-Haters want their own country.
Oops, just one more thing. No, they don't.
They could've had their own country any time in the last thirty years,
especially two years ago at Camp David
but if you have your own country, you have to have traffic lights
and garbage trucks and Chambers of Commerce, and, worse,
you actually have to figure out some way to make a living.

That's no fun. No, they want what all the other
Jew-Haters in the region want: Israel .
They also want a big pile of dead Jews, of course --
that's where the real fun is -- but mostly they want Israel .

Why? For one thing, trying to destroy Israel - or "The Zionist Entity"
as their textbooks call it --
for the last fifty years has allowed the rulers of Arab countries
to divert the attention of their own people
away from the fact that they're the blue-ribbon most illiterate,
poorest, and tribally backward on God's Earth,
and if you've ever been around God's Earth . . . you know
that's really saying something.

It makes me roll my eyes every time one of our pundits waxes poetic
about the great history and culture of the Muslim Midleast.
Unless I'm missing something, the Arabs haven't given anything to the
world since Algebra, and, by the way, thanks a hell of a lot for that

Chew this around & spit it out: 500 million Arabs; 5 million Jews.
Think of all the Arab countries as a football field,
and Israel as a pack of matches sitting in the middle of it.
And now these same folks swear that, if Israel gives them
half of that pack of matches, everyone will be pals..

Really? Wow, what neat news. Hey, but what about the string of wars to
obliterate the tiny country and the constant din
of rabid blood oaths to drive every Jew into the sea?
Oh, that? We were just kidding.

My friend Kevin Rooney made a gorgeous point the other day:
Just reverse the Numbers.
Imagine 500 million Jews and 5 million Arabs.
I was stunned at the simple brilliance of it .
Can anyone picture the Jews strapping belts of razor blades
and dynamite to themselves? Of course not.

Or marshaling every fiber and force at their disposal for generations
to drive a tiny Arab State into the sea? Nonsense.
Or dancing for joy at the murder of innocents? Impossible.
Or spreading and believing horrible lies about the Arabs baking their
bread with the blood of children? Disgusting.

No, as you know, left to themselves in a world of peace,
the worst Jews would ever do to people is debate them to death.

Mr. Bush, God bless him, is walking a tightrope. I understand that,
with vital operations in Iraq and others, it's in our interest, as
Americans, to try to stabilize our Arab allies as much as possible,
and, after all, that can't be much harder than stabilizing a roomful of
super models who've just had their drugs taken away.

However, in any big-picture strategy, there's always a danger
of losing moral weight. We've already lost some.
After September 11th, our president told us and the world he was going
to root out all terrorists and the countries that supported them.
Then the Israelis, after months and months of having the equivalent of
an Oklahoma City every week (and then every day),
start to do the same thing we did, and we tell them to show restraint.

If America were being attacked with an Oklahoma City every day,
we would all very shortly be screaming for the administration
to just be done with it and kill everything south of the Mediterranean
and east of the Jordan .


This response submitted by DaveT on 8/14/06 at 11:16 AM. ( )

I will bite my tongue and not respond like I would normally.

President George W. Bush has more integrity then any of your left wing candidates and certainly more then you. If we were not in Iraq right now one can only imagine what Iran would be doing to Israel. God is in control bud and you are too blind to see the truth. Ever wonder why Iran has gotten so bold lately? Do they now have an Ace card they did not have before?

By the way, those WMDs will surface one day, only a FOOL would believe that a criminal and murderer like Sadam would dispose of them. They are in Syria and Iran and the reason why is because this world is full of sympathetics liberal ideoligists like YOU that supported the UNs idiotic approach. It really is simple Cecil - IRAQ MOVED THE WMDs.


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