Poll: Christians 'addicted to pornography'

Submitted by KIM (Do you believe in polls?) on 8/16/06 at 12:47 PM. ( ) 69.171.240.121

Ok! All you "Christians" please tell me if you believe in polls? LOL
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Poll: Christians 'addicted to pornography'
08/14/2006 @ 10:55 am
Filed by RAW STORY

A poll conducted by what bills itself as "the world's most visited Christian website" indicates a surprising number of Christians are addicted to pornography, RAW STORY has learned.

"The poll results indicate that 50% of all Christian men and 20% of all Christian women are addicted to pornography," said Clay Jones, founder and President of Second Glance Ministries.

The group defines "addicted" as applied to pornography as use on an ongoing basis.

"We are seeing an escalation to the problem in both men and women who regularly attend church," said Bill Cooper, President of ChristiaNet.com.

The poll, conducted at ChristiaNet.com, used a self-selected sample, and is therefore not a scientific study. Over 1,000 users responded to the survey.

Additionally, 60% of the women who answered the survey confessed having "significant struggles with lust." 40% admitted to being "involved in sexual sin" in the past year.

"No one is immunized against the vice-grip clutches of sexual addictive behaviors," reads a release issued by the site. "The people who struggle with the repeated pursuit of sexual gratification include church members, deacons, staff, and yes, even clergy."

"There have been dynamic paradigm shifts in the behavior of Christians over the last four years," explained Jones. "Technology has allowed pornography to flood the market place beyond a controllable level." Jones' ministry provides intervention programs for churches and individuals.

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sad but probably true

This response submitted by Jim Marsico on 8/16/06 at 1:48 PM. ( ) 63.227.248.125

If a person does not pray constantly, and love the Lord with all his/her heart and constantly ask for help and guidance they will fail at being a good moral person. Have you resisted to the point of sweating blood like the Lord did in the garden? Thats what Saint Paul asks us. "The devil is like a roaring lion seeking to devour" anyone he can. Faith which manifests itself thru good works should be everyones goal towards themself and others. "Thy" will be done, as in not ours.


well put, Jim

This response submitted by Jerry Shute on 8/16/06 at 3:29 PM. ( Jervic2@centurytel.net ) 207.118.233.107

If an athiest looks at porn that is ok? People have this misconception that Christians are suposed to be perfect. Some Christians even say they are. The truth is that the blood of JESUS is powerful enough to cover anything that any of us could do wrong. The apostle Paul said it long ago. I want to do right, but instead I do the very thing I hate. We have to remember our strugles are not against flesh and blood, but powers of evil. Life is a strugle some times. I hope you all have a great week. P.S Thanks to everyone on this forum for all the good insight, Taxidermy or otherwise.

Jerry Shute


It is just hard to believe but I guess...

This response submitted by KIM on 8/16/06 at 4:19 PM. ( ) 69.171.240.121

...it is true. We never know how much we are affected by fleshly desires. Prayer is our only releif and hope!


the other 50%

This response submitted by Mr.T on 8/16/06 at 4:25 PM. ( ) 68.79.167.32

If not porno, what other sin is the other 50% of Christian men and 80% of Christian women are guilty of? Over eating, and talking smack behind ones back? A sins a sin, all are guilty, unless they are self righteous.


Nice post Jim!

This response submitted by Terry on 8/16/06 at 4:26 PM. ( go_tigers90@yahoo.com ) 209.165.134.49

It is a constant check- all day long. And Jerry is right as well: we are not perfect and we will struggle. Frankly, IMHO, the more mature you become as a believer, the more you will find you have become a bigger target for Satan and you may find that life seems even more a struggle at times than before. There IS a spiritual war being waged daily. Who do you honestly think Satan targets: those who are a threat or those are just sitting and spinning, so to speak.

Jim, regarding your posting about being vigilant constantly... that's a part of why I really like 1Thessalonians 5:16-18...

16Be joyful always; 17pray continually; 18give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.

These simple verses help keep me grounded. They remind me of how I need to be each and every day.


Well

This response submitted by Alex Sr on 8/16/06 at 5:40 PM. ( ) 66.32.22.158

I would start By defining what "Christian" Means.

Anyone who practices sin is not a christian ,plain and simple.
He might think he is a christian, his pastor might think he is a christian, others might think he is a christian.

But if a person is the same as he was before he "accepted" Christ then he is not a christian, he is a club member of an earthly group.
But not a member of the heavenly Church.


Well, Alex, then there are no such thing as Christians then

This response submitted by George on 8/16/06 at 7:03 PM. ( georoof@aol.com ) 64.12.116.6

I'm glad to see all the pontificating coming to fruition. No "Christian" is without sin EVER. If your wife asks you how she looks in a certain outfit and you tell her great while thinking it's awful are guilty of "practicing lying". If you see a pretty girl (or guy) and admire the physique you are violating the commandments in your heart. If you watch a TV show or movie with partial nudity, is that "pornography"? Who did the defining? Is God a pornographer in his creation of man and woman without clothes on? How many of you weren't born naked? Jimmy Swaggart, Catholic priests, and the list goes on and on to Jimmy Carter who admitted publicly that he'd committed adultery in his heart. Pray all you like but the the sins of the art too inviting. Eat too much? Gluttonly! Say "gosh darn" and you're taking the Lords name in vain. YOU ARE ALL "WORLDLY" and praying 24 hours a day forever won't keep you from being "worldly". Quote the scripture all day long and you're simply quoting WORLDLY interpretations and conjecture. Jesus never wrote anything down. God gave us the 10 commandments, but reasonable theologians recognize that the bible has been written to WORLDLY aspirations. King James was noted for his orchestrating of the interpretations and every bible since then has only done more of the same. I'm wary of false prophets and all I've seen here is candidates who ASSUME to know more that God ever gave the authority for.

While we're on "polls", did you know that caffiend causes 90% of all auto accidents. Research has proven unequivocably that over 90% of all auto fatalities had consume some caffiene within 4 hours of their deaths. The same research says that 95% of all auto accidents occur within 50 miles of home. DUH! Like how many of us drive FARTHER than that.

At the risk of repeating myself, RELIGION AND POLITICS ARE NOT DISCUSSED AMONG GENTLE PEOPLE OF DIFFERING RELIGIONS AND POLITICAL PARTIES. It has no place on here and the ONLY reason we have a "CURRENT EVENTS" category is Cecil's bipolar episodes during the last election up until the current day. Is being a Liberal a sin as well?


Careful George

This response submitted by Crusty on 8/16/06 at 7:27 PM. ( ) 209.165.183.15

Alex posted a link to a he-man picture of himself here the other day. He might go put some whoopass on you. Or put on a bomb vest, hard to say... Glad to see you're still here George. You've been pretty quiet lately.


Cecil won't admit this category is a result...

This response submitted by Craig on 8/16/06 at 7:56 PM. ( ) 66.66.236.195

of his bipolar episodes, lol. I already tried to get him to admit to that one, George.


And I apologize Crusty

This response submitted by George on 8/16/06 at 9:30 PM. ( ) 64.12.116.6

I try to stay OUT of this category when it shows up on RECENT, but I've had my fill of pulpit practitioners and political pundits.


George

This response submitted by Alex on 8/16/06 at 9:56 PM. ( ) 66.32.38.111

One thing is to commit a sin and another to practice sin.

just because i happen on a dirty movie passing chanels and I look ar scene doesn't mean I sinned, now if I need to watch it in order to get excited with my old lady, then I have a problem, because Am relying on something outside my own, then Iam sinning.
Understand that ?

Crusty, The He man pic was in answer to cecil's post about his old man, waiting for me to whopp me,LOL


then is there " accidental sin"?

This response submitted by Mr.T on 8/16/06 at 10:54 PM. ( ) 68.79.167.32

One thing is to commit a sin and another to practice sin.

What is the difference? Do we call it accidental sin? Or did we just not happen to plan on bumping into it? A sin is a sin wether we planned it, or was born with it. Try as we may to be perfect, try all we can, and we are voiding out the work of the cross that covers the sin for us. We are actualy telling Christ that we really dont believe he covered it all, so we try to make up for it, when he paid for all of it because he knew we couldnt on our best day, measure up. Rest in the cross.


After reading some of these posts

This response submitted by Cecil 64.184.41.234 on 8/16/06 at 11:10 PM. ( ) 64.184.42.103

I'm sure glad I'm just bipolar. ROFLMAO

I'm a big believer in, "If it feels good do it." Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw!


Oh, so NOW you're going to get into semantics, huh

This response submitted by George on 8/16/06 at 11:29 PM. ( ) 64.12.116.6

And "accidental" sin? Funny, I don't recall reading that in my study of the bible. And how does an "accident" happen without having "practiced" it in your mind. I think there is one small mention in the New Testament about sinning in "thought, word, and deed". Sort of cuts down on "accidents" if you think about it, doesn't it. Most of you bible beaters are selective Christians. Your way is the "only" way and anyone who disagrees with "your way" is a heretic. Jesus advocated using "ladies of ill repute" in his statement "It is better to cast your seed in the belly of a *** than to cast it on the ground among the weeds". God said "Thou shalt not commit adultery", but the ancients practiced polygamy. You couldn't be an adulterer if you married her or had a dozen or so concubines to serve at your beck and call. My term about bible thumpers is a name given to those who would use the bible for their own interpretations and rationalize their own deeds as being the only way to salvation. "He who is without sin, cast the first stone." Seems even Jesus implied that you can be forgiven but it won't be forgotten. Nikita Khrushchev bragged that he could recite the entire bible word for word, yet he championed the cause of a godless USSR and persecuted those who believed. Quoting scriptures only validates your belief that the first deciphers of the Dead Sea Scrolls had it right without error. More mortal sins have been committed on this earth in the name of religion than any other thing. Putting your heads in the sand and quoting scriptures won't save you from judgement. Some of you would be wiser to seek your own counsell rather than try to tarnish the scriptures and recite it to others. But then again, you're taxidermists and who would think any of them were ever "wise"?


Oh HELL

This response submitted by Michael Sestak on 8/16/06 at 11:56 PM. ( ) 24.49.203.34

everybody on here is a sinner, myself included.
get over it. the pope is a sinner too. deal with it.


This is replacing television...

This response submitted by Dennis on 8/16/06 at 11:56 PM. ( ) 68.248.230.159

Jerry Springer, you are a bore! Taxidermy.net is much more entertaining. This religious stuff is really getting out or hand...and like porn, I am addicted! Where is porn a sin? Ten commandments? Is dancing a type of foreplay? Heck , even Carter admitted to having carnal desires. Glad I still do, and so is my wife!And yes, she reads this crap.


Hey George

This response submitted by Cecil 64.184.41.234 on 8/16/06 at 11:58 PM. ( ) 64.184.42.103

AMEN!

Gosh it's scary how we agree on things lately! Maybe it's because we both have a 138 I.Q. LOL


I love you George

This response submitted by Jessica on 8/16/06 at 11:59 PM. ( horseelady_jessie@yahoo.com ) 207.231.119.83

Wish I could use words that way and knew half of what you do. I believe in God and what have you but I don't run around spouting it out every chance I get. Like it or not we are all sinners and always will be. George makes an excellent point and always has. George, I would kiss you if you were here.


Amen

This response submitted by Jim Marsico on 8/17/06 at 12:14 AM. ( ) 63.227.248.125

Good comments George. I agree for the most part and I its a sure bet that Satan and his clan can all quote the bible word for word in all the versions and languages, forward and backwards and twist EVERY word and line and laugh. I also believe its a VERY good thing to know and study your faith to the best of your ability and to stand firm in what you believe to be right and true no matter what. I respect that in others, most of us do. I think there is nothing more discusting than a wishy washy Christain or politician, taxidermist or anything for that matter. Be the best you can be as if working for God himself or just forget it. I also think you are into the deep water yourself with your "wise" post in general; It can apply to you also and I hope that most likely you would agree that it does. God also says that he will REMEMBER your sins NO more as far as the East is from the West when you ask for and recieve His forgiveness. I know that at least alot of us are mighty glad for that promise! "Some of you would be wiser to seek your own counsell rather than try to tarnish the scriptures and recite it to others."


So, after reading the posts, What IS considered SIN?

This response submitted by KIM on 8/17/06 at 2:42 AM. ( ) 69.171.240.121

Whould you consider this as an acceptable explanation of SIN?

Anything not in harmony with, hence contrary to, God's personality, standards, ways, and will; anything marring one's relationship with God. It may be in word (Job 2:10; Ps 39:1), in deed (doing wrong acts [Le 20:20; 2Co 12:21] or failing to do what should be done [Nu 9:13; Jas 4:17]), or in mind or heart attitude (Pr 21:4; compare also Ro 3:9-18; 2Pe 2:12-15). Lack of faith in God is a major sin, showing, as it does, distrust of him or lack of confidence in his ability to perform. (Heb 3:12, 13, 18, 19) A consideration of the use of the original-language terms and examples associated with them illustrates this.

The common Hebrew term translated "sin) is chat·ta´th´; in Greek the usual word is ha·mar·ti´a. In both languages the verb forms (Heb., cha·ta´´; Gr., ha·mar·ta´no) mean "miss,) in the sense of missing or not reaching a goal, way, mark, or right point. At Judges 20:16 cha·ta´´ is used, with a negative, to describe the Benjamites who were ‘slingers of stones to a hairbreadth and would not miss.' Greek writers often used ha·mar·ta´no with regard to a spearman missing his target. Both of these words were used to mean missing or failing to reach not merely physical objects or goals (Job 5:24) but also moral or intellectual goals or marks. Proverbs 8:35, 36 says the one finding godly wisdom finds life, but the ‘one missing [from Heb., cha·ta´´] wisdom is doing violence to his soul,' leading to death. In the Scriptures both the Hebrew and Greek terms refer mainly to sinning on the part of God's intelligent creatures, their missing the mark with regard to their Creator.

Man's Place in God's Purpose. Man was created in "God's image.) (Ge 1:26, 27) He, like all other created things, existed and was created because of God's will. (Re 4:11) God's assigning work to him showed that man was to serve God's purpose on earth. (Ge 1:28; 2:8, 15) According to the inspired apostle, man was created to be both "God's image and glory) (1Co 11:7), hence to reflect the qualities of his Creator, conducting himself so as to reflect the glory of God. As God's earthly son, man should resemble, or be like, his heavenly Father. To be otherwise would be to contradict and reproach the divine parenthood of God.—Compare Mal 1:6.

Jesus showed this when encouraging his disciples to manifest goodness and love in a way surpassing that done by "sinners,) persons known to practice sinful acts. He stated that only by following God's example in mercy and love could his disciples ‘prove themselves sons of their Father who is in the heavens.' (Mt 5:43-48; Lu 6:32-36)


Yes Jim, it certainly does apply to me as well

This response submitted by George on 8/17/06 at 10:05 AM. ( ) 152.163.101.9

I've never considered myself "wise" either. I seldom seek my own counsell as I trust more in the opinions of others who are wiser and less worldly. God and I talk often, but we don't share our conversations. He mostly listens but I have no doubts of His actions. I just tire of others trying to preach to me about things they only can speculate about.


George

This response submitted by Jim on 8/17/06 at 10:35 AM. ( ) 63.227.248.125

it applies to all of us in every way. thanks


George

This response submitted by Terry on 8/17/06 at 1:02 PM. ( go_tigers90@yahoo.com ) 209.165.134.49

I don't consider myself wise either... and I try to listen to and glean from the thoughts and experiences of others whom I trust or consider to be true believers and living their lives for Christ. That said, I'm not mindless but able to think for myself and I also go to the Lord in prayer as often as possible. And you are totally right: those conversations are private and we certainly CAN see His hand over and in so many things in our daily lives. His actions can be quite clear. BUT...

It may not be your personal gift to share with others about your faith ("preach to" is your phrasing as we have all been given different gifts (that's scriptural), but I cannot fathom those that do not feel called to share questioning those that do feel called. The Bible does say we are to- in prayer- test everything, to hold on to the good and let go of the bad. But it's also very, very clear in the life of Jesus Christ and His followers that came after Him that there was a sense of urgency in SPREADING the message of salvation. There are so many on here who say "Well I believe in God but that's personal and I don't need someone talking about it." or words to that effect. If you really believe what Christ had to say- or any of His disciples that PREACHED in the years after His death on the cross- then you cannot deny that a big part of their message was to TAKE the message to the people. In no part of the NT can it be found "The message of salvation is really, really cool but please keep it to yourself- it's personal". Please people... think this through. If you really don't like the posts about faith- skip them. But if you are one of the many who attend church and will say on here "I believe in God" take the time to read the NT and see which view you come away with: spreading the message or keeping it to yourself. If you don't feel called to share, super... I don't doubt you on that or any part of your personal walk. But to slam those who do feel called to share... that's just not consistent with what the Bible tells us a follower of Christ (Christian, Catholic, Protestant- it's all covered) should be.


Terry, you don't know me at all

This response submitted by George on 8/17/06 at 2:26 PM. ( ) 152.163.101.9

I was on the road to becoming a Lutheran minister long long ago, so please, stop while you're ahead. No one should live their life FOR Christ. God gave you life to enjoy the mortal and worldly affairs around you. He only gave 10 rules. Just 10. If you follow ONLY THOSE 10, he will grant you your eternal reward. The New Testament came along and implies that there are others, but Moses didn't know about them or follow them and still went to Heaven by staying true to the 10. God never commanded anyone to preach to anyone, you picked that up in the deciphers of the New Testament again. I go to church occasionally, but I learned in the seminary that God doesn't live there any more than he lives everywhere. Churches are gathering houses for sinners, but the biggest cathedrals God gave us are as close as your doorstep. "Many are 'called', FEW are chosen." Bible thumpers never get that far and each of them thinks that it is a sin NOT to inundate those who aren't interested with their interpretations. That's why the world is filled with places for people to escape. This was one of those places until the holy rollers fell into it. If the "Current Events" were removed, just where would you put your preaching? Alex put it all over and damn the Jews and Gentiles who don't believe his interpretation of The Word is any better than theirs. God never instructed anyone to do that and even Jesus said, "Give unto Caesar the things that are of Caesar." How about giving US what belongs to US? Take your preaching to those sites where your captive audience is in concert with YOUR beliefs and stop insulting mine.


Amen Terry!

This response submitted by Rich B. on 8/17/06 at 2:49 PM. ( ) 74.65.18.69

George,
Us Bible thumpers KNOW that we are SINNERS SAVED BY GRACE.
Like someone said above, there is a BIG difference between occasionally falling into sin(we all do!) and LIVING IN SIN (without having any regret or remorse for the evil that you are doing)
We believers know that we will not be PERFECT until we are in our glorified bodies with the Lord. We know that our physical bodies are only temporary and that we are just "passing through" this world.

Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 6:12

"All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any."


You are right I don't...

This response submitted by Terry on 8/17/06 at 2:53 PM. ( go_tigers90@yahoo.com ) 209.165.134.49

LOL... I never feel like I AM ahead so that certainly is a novel thought.

George, I don't know you... you're right. But based strictly on what I see on here, I happen to think you're a very decent, sincere person. I also happen to believe- based on your postings here- that you're a very intelligent person too.

Regarding your last post though... Only those 10 and He will grant us our eternal reward? So the ten commandments are the be all and end all and everything Jesus Christ "preached" about the way to be granted our eternal reward is bunk? I'm not trying to put words in your mouth or take it out of context but that sure is how it reads to me.

I have said this several times in responding to people on past threads of this nature and I will say it again...

According to what I see on this site as the parameters for the Current Events forum, posts that deal with faith are fair game. Likewise opposition to such posts.

I do not and have not posted responses or messages of this nature on other forums. I recognize the individual nature of each forum and its respective purpose.

Regarding preaching to a captive audience... What would the purpose of that be? Jesus (and His disciples) took the message of salvation to those who had not heard it. Those that have posted messages of faith on this site have done so out of a sense that there are people here who could be reached or might need to see the message.

George, I think we will have to agree to disagree on this matter. Regardless of the diffences that exist in how we things on this issue, I for one am very thankful for your presence on this site and the decision you make daily to share your knowledge with those of us still a lot farther behind on the learning curve.

Have a fabulous day. :-)


Nice post!

This response submitted by Terry on 8/17/06 at 3:09 PM. ( go_tigers90@yahoo.com ) 209.165.134.49

Well stated Rich.

Regarding sin, we all do stumble but there is a huge difference between stumbling (and seeking forgiveness/moving on/striving to improve) and wallowing (without a thought of consequence or ignoring any ramifications for such behaviors or actions).

To one and all... a sincere wish for a tremendous Thursday. :-)


May I state that this posting and posts turned...

This response submitted by KIM on 8/17/06 at 4:29 PM. ( ) 69.171.240.121

...out very well (so far). People are talking and learning, this is very good... You people are interesting. I am learning and enjoying it.

THANK YOU...ALL OF YOU.


George

This response submitted by ALEX ,SR on 8/17/06 at 6:21 PM. ( ) 66.32.82.159

True Believers Do Not Practice Sin
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (practice; Gk - poieo) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin (present infinitive which refers to a continuous or repeated action), because he is born of God.

At first glance this passage of scripture seems to be teaching the false doctrine of sinless perfection, but it is not. Let me explain. The commit is the same Greek word we previously looked at -- poieo (poy-eh'-o; 4160). This present participle which carries the idea of habitually doing or practicing something, in this case "sin." It is not the habit of those who are born of God to practice sin. In other words, SIN IS THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE, NOT THE RULE IN THE TRUE BELIEVERS LIFE.

The reason "sin is an exception to the rule..." is because the believer has a new nature. The phrase his seed remaineth in him is a reference to that new nature. And that new nature cannot sin! However, God has not destroyed or eradicate the old sin nature yet. Therefore, if a believer "walks after the flesh" he will still sin occasionally. But remember, the goal of the Christian is NOT to sin. 1 John 2:1a says, My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. That is the objective all believers are to strive for. Yet, we also know we will not hit the bulls eye every time. From time to time when we will sin (1 John 1:8 &10). When that happens 1 John 2:1b comes into focus -- And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

There is a little phrase that goes like this -- Christians are not sinless but Christians do sin less. Yet, it is clear that sin is to be the exception to the rule in the believers life. One birthmark of a true believer is that their life is neither characterized by nor dominated by sin. A person who professes to be a believer yet does not live, for the most part, a righteous, holy life has a MAJOR problem! He is are missing a birthmark.


What is Sin?

This response submitted by Dennis on 8/17/06 at 7:21 PM. ( ) 69.211.91.239

10. Thou shalt not make pointy fins on a pike.

9. Use artificial heads on all trout.

8. Refrain from flag-waving dorsal fins.

7. Thou shalt not eat of the carp and garfish.

6. A clean workbench is the sign of idle hands, thus the work of Satan.

5. If thou squeezest fish eyes, thou shalt be punished by a river of slime.

4. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's boat, nor his rod, nor his reel.

3. Thou shalt not freeze dry, it is an abomination.

2. Ask not what taxidermy shall provide for you, but what you shall provide for taxidermy.

1. Take time, each day, to LYAO!

(No offense brethren...just havin' a little fun before a Jihad breaks out here!)


Alex,what part of my language weren't you able to understand

This response submitted by George on 8/17/06 at 10:37 PM. ( ) 152.163.101.9

As I said, what give YOU the right to interpret what I read? When did God die and leave you to tell me what was right or wrong or what constituted a "sin" in the eyes of God. Quit spouting worldly interpretations. There no proof ever that will show that "Christians sin less" UNLESS of course, you pontificate and decide what is and what isn't a sin. Take your preaching to the holy rollers. They buy into your bible thumping. I don't and I'm PERSONALLY INSULTED BY THOSE OF YOU WHO CONTINUE TO TRY TO TELL ME WHAT IT TAKES TO BE A CHRISTIAN. I see you as the false prophets the bible warns me about and I see you as closet sinners. As a practicing Protestant, I don't buy into your "born again" theories and many of the other shenanigans that violate MY BELIEFS. So keep your pulpit to yourself and keep it out of here. Self annointed Christians are the bane of the earth for the most part and history has proven that quite well. David Koresh, Jimmy Jones, Jimmy Swaggart, Jim and Tammy Fae Baker, the list is endless. Religion and politics have no place here in the quantities that have become the norm. And the sad part is that most of your are too dumb to load a wagon and you want to preach to others about how THEY should act. You worry about YOUR house and I'll worry about mine. You won't have to answer for anything I do and your telling me how I SHOULD be is not going to change me or increase your chances. The road to hell is paved with good intentions and you won't find that in the scriptures you like to misquote. That doesn't mean it's not true.


Does

This response submitted by Michael Sestak on 8/18/06 at 12:30 AM. ( ) 24.49.203.34

anybody know that if a person goes around "quoting" what it takes to be "saved", or interpreting the Bible and giving advice. what happens to that person if they happen to be wrong and lead someone astray (down the path to destruction).

what would God say to that person who lead them down the wrong path?
Do you think God would welcome that person into heaven with open arms and lots of love for that?

I dont think so..


I do!

This response submitted by Dennis on 8/18/06 at 1:01 AM. ( ) 68.248.229.150

Unless god is no better than the rest of us, an unwavering, judging, impartial hypocrite. Don't believe that, and don't expect you will understand...it is not written in black and white, real simple terms, for simple minds.


So Dennis

This response submitted by Michael Sestak on 8/18/06 at 9:48 AM. ( ) 24.49.203.34

just so i understand what you are saying.
its okay to misquote the bible and bear false witness to lead someone down the path to hell, doomed for eternity and God will love you for that?


Well, somewhere I heard...

This response submitted by Dennis on 8/18/06 at 6:14 PM. ( ) 68.77.254.102

Of this concept known as "unconditional love." Guess that is my interpretation of a godlike entity. Yes, I believe there are aspects of Christianity that point to the fact that you don't buy your way into heaven by being "rightous." Not sure about the doomed for eternity part. Maybe if I was an armed robber and got punished for a million years I could then have the rest of eternity off for good behavior. Sorry, but I don't think most believers are as fundamentalist and hardcore as this. I hope I didn't doom anyone for eternity by editing the commandments above. It was a JOKE! And yes, I think the Creator has a sense of humor. He made us so we could evolve into beings capable of posting stuff on taxidermy forums that is really hysterical!


Dennis

This response submitted by Terry on 8/18/06 at 8:31 PM. ( go_tigers90@yahoo.com ) 209.165.134.49

For all the posting that has been done- and I have done myself- regarding faith (religion), I completely agree with you on what you say above: I very much think God has a sense of humor and I think the ability to laugh/a sense of humor is one of the greatest gifts He gave us.

And to think: I keep fighting to GET my workbench clean and KEPT that way... I guess I'm headed the wrong direction with that particular action. lol


Thanks Terry...

This response submitted by Dennis on 8/18/06 at 11:32 PM. ( ) 68.249.6.122

I really should not jump into these frays so much, but I don find it better than TV. I get a very interesting view of the cross section of citizens in this country...and sometimes, it disturbs me. I never insinuated anyone whould misquote the Bible or anything else! I did want to make a point that, yes, I beleive in a creator that does welcome sinners with open arms, even the worst.I do not claim to know what punishments or rewards await us, but I don't think we get squat by our own efforts, except some satisfaction in this life.


Dennis

This response submitted by Michael Sestak on 8/19/06 at 12:08 AM. ( ) 24.49.203.34

my post had nothing to do with your post on the 10 commandments. i thought they were funny too. I also believe God has a sense of humor, just look around :)
my post was a generalized question to anyone. i posted it because of all the quoting and bickering going on, and this person and that person all claiming to be right.

i too believe in an all forgiving God, but to a point. I believe he will not forgive those who lead someone to eternal damnation.
if God would forgive someone for dooming anothers soul to hell for eternity then on judgement day God will place his arms around satan and forgive him for all he has done.
I for one, do not think that is going to happen...thats all.


Christian

This response submitted by Kate on 8/19/06 at 1:43 AM. ( ) 208.20.66.242

If going to church makes you a christian, does going to your garage make you a car?


Better response on Religious posts than Taxidermy

This response submitted by KIM on 8/19/06 at 12:58 PM. ( ) 69.171.240.121

Interesting: Longer, better responses for many religious posts than the typical taxidermy post. Interesting! Perhaps all people are hurting and looking for or lacking something spiritual?

Just wondering about the concept.


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