WW3 started in 1979

Submitted by oldshaver on 8/17/06 at 7:26 PM. ( ) 68.221.45.250

This is not very long, but very informative. You have to read the catalogue of events in this brief piece. Then, ask yourself how anyone can take the position that all we have to do is bring our troops home from Iraq, sit back, reset the snooze alarm, go back to sleep, and no one will ever bother us again. In case you missed it, World War III began in November 1979.. that alarm has been ringing for years

US Navy Captain Ouimette is the Executive Officer at Naval Air Station, Pensacola, Florida. Here is a copy of the speech he gave last month. It is an accurate account of why we are in so much trouble today and why this action is so necessary.

AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP!

That's what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 (When more than 3,000 Americans were killed -AD) and maybe it was, but I think it should have been "Get Out of Bed!" In fact, I think the alarm clock has been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then.


It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world's most powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on this sovereign U. S .
America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Vietnam experience and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America's inability to deal with terrorism.

America's military had been decimated and down sized/right sized since the end of the Vietnam War. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was doomed from the start.

Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her citizens living and working abroad. The following attacks followed:

In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut When it explodes, it kills 63 people. The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once more.

Then just six short months later in 1983 a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more.

Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber.

The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gate of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept.

Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid.

Then in August 1985 a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and the snooze alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US interests are continually attacked.

Fifty-nine days later in 1985 a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed.

The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in1988, killing 259.

Clinton treated these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war.

The wake up alarm is getting louder and louder.

The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America In January 1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.


The following month, February 1993 , a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an act of war? The Snooze alarm is depressed again.

Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women.

A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500. The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they see that America does not respond decisively.

They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.. These attacks were planned with precision. They kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks and goes back to sleep.

The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October 2000 , when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep.

And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep.

In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from every high officials in government over what they knew and what they didn't know. But if you've read the papers and paid a little attention I think you can see exactly what they knew. You don't have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the National Security Council to see the pattern that has been developing since 1979.

I think we have been in a war for the past 25 years and it will continue until we as a people decide enough is enough. America needs to "Get out of Bed" and act decisively now America has been changed forever.. We have to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues. We cannot afford to keep hitting the snooze button again and again and roll over and go back to sleep.
After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto said "... it seems all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant." This is the message we need to disseminate to terrorists around the world.

This is not a political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our children in years to come.


If you believe in this please forward it to as many people as you can especially to the young people and all those who dozed off in history class and who seem so quick to protest such a necessary military action. If you don't believe it, just delete it -- and go back to sleep

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Oldshaver

This response submitted by Nathan on 8/17/06 at 7:54 PM. ( ) 71.232.125.78

A most worthy post, at least for all TRUE Americans,unfortunately, far too many of our fellow countrymen would prefer to turn tail and run when confronted with a hostile enemy, or even worse, do nothing, if a blue-stater should win in '08.


for the rest of them

This response submitted by Brad on 8/17/06 at 8:14 PM. ( ) 65.73.67.84

the people that are liberals first and Americans second , they will need to be convinced by a REAL attack and then who knows , they are now saying that our goverment brought down the towers on 9-11 and that it's all our fault for making the muslims mad and we deserve everything we get.


Good post

This response submitted by Alex on 8/17/06 at 8:39 PM. ( ) 66.32.82.159

Old Shaver


Brad when are you signing up?

This response submitted by Cecil 64.184.41.234 on 8/17/06 at 9:30 PM. ( ) 64.184.42.8

you're so willing to send our troops to the Iraq cesspool I think it's only fair you should help out with something other than your mouth.

Hey Lebanon needs some blue hat targets. Maybe you should see if you can do some duty there. Oh wait I see France is going. You wouldn't want to be in the company of cowards would you?


World War my as*

This response submitted by Cecil 64.184.41.234 on 8/17/06 at 9:32 PM. ( ) 64.184.42.8

You guys need to step into a American Legion Hall and tell the WWII vets that. They'll laugh your butts right out of the hall and probably offer to kick them too.


Cecil

This response submitted by Ken on 8/17/06 at 10:56 PM. ( fishwork2005@yahoo.com ) 66.156.24.34

There you go again...honestly Cecil, I wouldnt expect any less...but as I have said before, I respect your opinion and your right to have one. That said, your quickest defense is always to question someones resolve by suggesting that they join the ranks. The implication that any one of us wouldnt drop dead on the spot if it made a difference is ridiculous. You watch too much TV and your too eager to draw parallels to Vietnam. You seem to have it all figured out but all you see is what you want to see. Come to Ft Benning...go to Ft Campbell or Bragg. Ask a few soldiers. Do they want to go back? Do they want to leave their families? Do they want to die? Of course not. Do they know that they are there for and do they believe in what they are doing? You had better believe it. Im not talking about the exception, Im talking about the rule. They dont all see the 12 to 20 Iraqis that are murdered every day or the 30 or so troops killed each month...they see the 25 million Iraqis, most who have hoped for a better life for decades and are now caught in a tug of war between good and evil. Im around soldiers every day...you know what? They are the ones in and out of the battle and yet, they seem to get it more than any of us! We have the greatest most equipped military fighting force on the planet...they are Americans and their job is to defend our freedom. They know that and the vast majority are willing to do their job to the end. I could introduce you to an Army SFC that has very few recognizable features left on his face. Ive know him for years. He doesnt have to go back to Iraq. He lost friends in the same attack that took his face. But he is going back and is ready. Not for vengence, but because he knows in his heart that despite everything, the hard right is to complete the mission and the easy wrong is to cut our losses. He want to err on the side of right. Before you try to attack my credibilty or my resolve...dont make a fool of yourself. I have 3 1/2 years of my life there. I have lost several US and Iraqi friends there to include former teammates. Im not trying to preach to you, just reminding you that we are dealing with an idealism that is completely different that in any other American War and if we dont finish it, however painful it may be, it will finish us...painfully.


Ken I have a sore spot when it comes to Armchair generals

This response submitted by Cecil 64.184.41.234 on 8/18/06 at 12:08 AM. ( ) 64.184.42.8

No offense to you but I've had it up to here with Bucrapes that are all gung ho about sending the military to cess pools like Iraq but have no intentions of ever serving. Armchair generals is what the ol' man calls them who served 20 years in the military with most of them in Special Forces. The fact the most of this administraion did everything they could not to serve in combat makes me want to puke. Cheney has the nerve to talk up the war when he got FIVE f'ing deferments! That fatas$ has no problem sending our troops to the meat grinder but he did everything possible to save his butt during Vietnam.

Yu can defend these big mouth cowards but I refuse to. I was temporarily banned from a site recently because I exposed a person that pretended to be in the military and was not. It was obvious. I really let him have it and they canned me for 10 days. My dad has run into several individuals that claimed to be Green Berets in Nam etc. but when they were asked a few probing questioins it was obvious they were making it up. And some of these people Brad has copy and pasted on here that were supposed to be in Special Forces My dad has never heard of. In the 60's Special Forces was not that big.

BTW I've been to all of the posts you mention and many more as a military dependent. I remember them quite well expecially Ft. Bragg and the Fayettville area. We had a house in Fayettville.


One questions cecil

This response submitted by DaveT on 8/18/06 at 12:20 AM. ( ) 24.32.87.64

Since you have never even seen the dessert or active duty, wouldn't that make you an armchair critic as well? Do you puke when you look in the mirror?

DaveT (aka mean Christian guy)


Dave T...

This response submitted by Dennis on 8/18/06 at 1:08 AM. ( ) 68.248.229.150

If you accuse someone of puking by looking in the mirror, what the hell do you do? Load up your plate? Sorry, but I feel nauseous...thinking of whatever turd pile you stand for,or think you do.


Hey Dennis

This response submitted by DaveT on 8/18/06 at 1:18 AM. ( ) 24.32.87.64

Hey Dennis, you misspelled your name that you "printed" on your last post. LMAO You are not even a challenge.

DaveT


Shame on you Dave

This response submitted by Cecil 64.184.41.234 on 8/18/06 at 1:20 AM. ( ) 64.184.42.8

There you go again putting down the National Guard. And please don't come back and deny it like you did last time. The national guard is coming back in flag draped coffins from Iraq just like the regulars if you haven't noticed. The national guard is an intrical part of the miltiary now. You should know that, and if you don't something's fishy about your knowledge about the military.

We kicked your regular asses on a regular basis in Lodeo competitions because many of our members were fomer active duty and the regulars we went up against were young kids and don't you forget it. People in my unit came from ALL branches of the service and we had people that went all the way back to Vietnam. We were also named most outstanding guard unit. So kiss my butt.


And btw if you're in the military how can yo ask such a stupid question like why I wasn't on active duty? How in hell do you know I haven't been on active duty? You think the NG doesn't go on active duty? Where the hell have you been? I may have missed Desert Storm by a few minutes because the war ended too soon, but I can assure you my unit spent a good deal of time in Turkey on deployment (we called it bum f--k Egypt), and the 122nd CAMs most recently just came back from Iraq. (They put the guys that work in the motor pool on covoy duty) Our area of operation was the middle east long before Desert Storm, and I was in the unit four years before Desert Storm.


So tell me since you're in the Air Force branch like I was, what kind of fire fights were you in? You know damn well our branch has it made compared to the marines and Army. We're not the infantry so don't ask me to kiss your butt and expect me to think you're some big brave combat troop in the Air Force. Most of our NCO jobs are like 9 to 5 jobs, and last time I noticed you have time to do taxidermy on your so called "active duty."


And one more thing Dave

This response submitted by Cecil 64.184.41.234 on 8/18/06 at 1:25 AM. ( ) 64.184.42.8

How dare you compare me to people that never put on a uniform and did everything possible not to? Many you really take the cake.

You're not mean Dave. You're just stupid.


Cecil

This response submitted by DaveT on 8/18/06 at 7:12 AM. ( ) 24.32.87.64

President George Bush wore the uniform and flew fighter jets and I have heard you blast him about his service for years. And Cecil, give it up they are not YOUR unit anymore so please don't tell me what the NG is doing today.

How dare I? I dare with the same audacity that you blast people who have never served. You my friend are the one with a problem; you just can't stand it when someone gives you back what you toss out. Grow up fish boy.

DaveT


By the way Cecil

This response submitted by DaveT on 8/18/06 at 7:20 AM. ( ) 24.32.87.64

Anyone reading this post will know that I did not put down the National Guard; only one little fat, loud mouth, cry baby from Indiana that runs his mouth too much.

DaveT


Is that so?

This response submitted by Cecil 64.184.41.234 on 8/18/06 at 9:15 AM. ( ) 64.184.42.8

So your air of superiority about my alledgedly not being on active duty was not a stab at the AG. Nice try but hardly believable. I've seen that crap "Oh but were on you active duty" before. Never mind the person that said that had a desk job guarding missles in Montana.


Guys like you Cecil

This response submitted by Brad on 8/18/06 at 12:41 PM. ( ) 65.73.67.191

give vets a bad name and reputation. I have respect for them but for you and the John Kerry types I just have to pity. Losers.


good bye cecil

This response submitted by Jay on 8/18/06 at 1:22 PM. ( ) 216.105.216.210

Its getting hot cecil, time to cut and run like the coward you are. See you in a week when your nimble little fingers type asgain


Cecil

This response submitted by DaveT on 8/18/06 at 10:38 PM. ( ) 24.32.87.64

Are you one of those guys who takes a side glance at the urinal?

DaveT


C'mon Dave

This response submitted by Brad on 8/19/06 at 11:22 AM. ( ) 65.73.67.46

Cecil is a know it all. You know darn well that he tells them that they are holding & shaking all wrong and offers to help them - LMAO.


Brad one more time

This response submitted by Cecil 64.184.41.234 on 8/22/06 at 9:50 PM. ( ) 64.184.42.8

If you're so gung ho about the Iraq fiasco when are you signing up? Maybe if you kiss up some more to Dave you can be foxhole buddies.


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