earliners with Epoxy adhesive

Submitted by Brian L. on 2/26/01. ( ) 198.133.22.93

Recently, I have been using earliners and epoxy adhesives as opposed to the bondo method that I used to use. Through the aid of people on this forum I have learned how to fit the liner and make sure that it does not drum. On the last one that I did, there was plenty of ear skin remaining along the edge of the ear, that I have learned will be bonded together with the epoxy, and carding it will keep it straight. My problem is that when I put my carding on, in one spot,I must have pushed the edge of the skin slightly out of alignment with the liner. I did not realize it until I took the carding off a couple days later. Now, a few mounts ago, this probably would not have bothered me as it is only noticeble if you know what to look for, but I'm really trying to get better at the finer points, and this really bugs me, because I know its there. Is there any way I can re-hydrate the edge of the ear and re-set it, or am I screwed because the epoxy is hardened?

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Probably!

This response submitted by Steve Steinbring/Epo-Grip Adhesives on 2/26/01. ( nsc@netrus.net ) 206.251.198.26

Brian,

Since the earliner does not go all the way to the edge of the ear pocket and neither does the adhesive normally. If it just the very edge it can probably be retrained to be straight. There should be some flex even in the laminated areas of the ear skin. Give it a try, rehydrate and card it straight, you are not going to hurt the epoxy.


Ditto "Probably"

This response submitted by George on 2/26/01. ( georoof@aol.com ) 205.188.208.166

Brian,
I'm only "assuming" but it sounds as if you carded the edge too soon. When I install the earliner, I make sure it "kicks off" before I card. In fact, I mount the animal completely and carding is the last thing I do. If you hold the inner ear against the liner and wait for it to heat up,most of your anatomical markers will be locked in place. Any seepage past the earliner will still remain flexible up to about 6 or 8 hours before it hardens to it's brittle state. In reality, it extends your earliner and fills any voids between the two. Carding will then form a suitable tapered effect. And as you probably already know, don't leave the cards on for an extended time. Those edges that are merely skin will dry conforming to the card and any wrinkles the card may have.


How about this?

This response submitted by Becky on 2/26/01. ( Keytaxidermy@aol.com ) 205.188.208.70

Get yourself several pairs of liners small, med, large. Then next time (I know this is not helping the one you have now, but next time)peel the cartilage out and fit the ear to the proper size, use your epoxy or paste (I use buckeye surpreme and NEVER have drumming)and wal-la perfect ears everytime! No fuss, no mess! NO carding! I love the new Buckeye liners but they only have med. so I still use the Natra looks for the small and large ones and they are fine too.
-Becky


Bondo with liners

This response submitted by Steve on 3/2/01. ( ) 205.188.209.77

Here's what I have been doing for years with great success! Remove the cartilage. After tanning and just before mounting, I turn the ears inside out and wipe them with laquer thinner.
Put 2 tongue depressors full of bondo on a paper plate. Thin with a little fiberglass resin. Mix thoughly. Add a small amount of cream hardener and mix this thoughly. Next I press the "back" of the ear into the mixture, and with another tongue depressor, smear some all over the rest of the inside of the ear. Put your fingers inside and pull the ear skin right side out. Now for the aerliners. I use McKenzie, natra-look ear liners. With a revolving leather punch, I punch holes all over the earliners. I do this before I mix the bondo by the way. Slide the liners in, position the hair patterns and just keep working the ear until it starts to set. If any bondo has leaked through it can easily be brushed out before it hardens completely.
I know that bondo is not an adhesive, but with the holes in the liners, the bondo bonds to itself. I have deer that I did this way almost 10 years ago and the ears are still fine.


Bondo with liners

This response submitted by Steve on 3/2/01. ( ) 205.188.209.77

Here's what I have been doing for years with great success! Remove the cartilage. After tanning and just before mounting, I turn the ears inside out and wipe them with laquer thinner.
Put 2 tongue depressors full of bondo on a paper plate. Thin with a little fiberglass resin. Mix thoughly. Add a small amount of cream hardener and mix this thoughly. Next I press the "back" of the ear into the mixture, and with another tongue depressor, smear some all over the rest of the inside of the ear. Put your fingers inside and pull the ear skin right side out. Now for the aerliners. I use McKenzie, natra-look ear liners. With a revolving leather punch, I punch holes all over the earliners. I do this before I mix the bondo by the way. Slide the liners in, position the hair patterns and just keep working the ear until it starts to set. If any bondo has leaked through it can easily be brushed out before it hardens completely.
I know that bondo is not an adhesive, but with the holes in the liners, the bondo bonds to itself. I have deer that I did this way almost 10 years ago and the ears are still fine.


Also

This response submitted by Steve on 3/2/01. ( ) 205.188.209.77

I don't know why my reponse printed twice. Anyway make sure you have the ears the way you want them before the bondo hardens!


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