Different idea for ears?

Submitted by Bobbi Meyer on 3/4/01. ( bmeyer@iland.net ) 216.74.201.51

I've read about using earliners, McKenzie's Cartilage liners, bondo..etc On the deer that I mounted I used the bondo method, and aside of not getting the ears turned quite far enough it seems to have worked fairly well. One of the complaints that I've read about the bondo is getting the ear thin enough or having lumps.
Basically the question I'm wondering is has anyone ever tried using the glazing putty ( auto ) for filling the ears? a little chopped fiberglass may be needed to help for binding or perhaps some fine sifted sand mixed in. Just an idea?

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Old Ideas Really DO Die Hard

This response submitted by George on 3/4/01. ( georoof@aol.com ) 172.159.211.242

Bobbi,
Over 40 years ago we used sheet copper and roofing tar . Your idea isn't much better. Why not take the cartilage out and install a liner with some epoxy and not have to worry about ANY of that nonsense? Show me the best Bondo ear ever done, and I'll show you what a thick deer ear feels like.


It's your choice

This response submitted by Ricky from N.C. on 3/4/01. ( ) 208.150.114.202

If what you are doing works for you, and you are satisfied BAM!.And as far as ideas, that is part of the fun. I get satisfaction using some of my own ideas.And by the way if I,m not mistaken Henry Ford had one of those old ideas that die hard? Good luck.


geeeezzz

This response submitted by Bobbi Meyer on 3/4/01. ( bmeyer@iland.net ) 216.74.202.86

Glad that noone told all the new companies that urethane forms would never work, that plastic earliners were a ridiculous idea and that anyone wanting to tan their own hides was on the verge of "mentally insane"
I wonder how many customers feel the ears or their mounts and go..."hmmmm, this ear feels a tad on the thick side to me?" I'm not planning on competing, at least not till I get enough experience under my belt to feel comfortable about my mounts being critiqued by EXPERTS. ( and believe me, I'm my own worst critic )
Just curious about new ideas George.
If you like earliners, fine. I haven't tried em yet, but I'm sure I will just to try SEVERAL different approaches. Besides, isn't that how we learn? Trial and error?
Just curious, how do you finish the inside of the ear when using the earliners without the inner ear modeled in?


to Bobbi,inner ear

This response submitted by Jeff on 3/4/01. ( ) 216.41.226.127

Just leave the bottom part of inner ear and cartilage intact
push this inside inner part of earliner.
Jeff


That was George's way

This response submitted by Bill Yox on 3/4/01. ( ) 205.188.209.80

of saying a few things, actually. Starting with, the question was about a new way, the methods you spoke of are very well known. They have been adding strand to filler for years. He also would have told you to check about 2 years worth of archives, too. But nobody uses the archives, they just keep asking the same question over and over, and worse, somebody will come on and retype the same answer...over and over! Sooo, he just gave you a short-cut answer! Us earliner guys know how thin we can get them, and try to control the drumming. The bondo guys get a quick ear, and try to control the accuracy. No, customers dont feel for thickness, but they can see that an overfilled ear has hair sticking out or rolled inside the ear. Good luck with whatever YOU choose, Bobbi!


Bobbi...

This response submitted by Craig on 3/4/01. ( ctracker@rochester.rr.com ) 24.93.8.65

I personally use earliners with epoxy but not only because of personal preference but because it is simply the best way of doing them, period. Please read carefully...With all the new and innovative products that have been developed today by leading taxidermists in the field and with all the information that is available in the form of manuals, monthly publications( Breakthrough, Taxidermy Today), videos and let's not forget some good old fashioned schooling or one-on-one training, why frustrate yourself with trying to drum up a new idea on how to better do an ear? (who cares about spelling, what about these run on sentences guys and gals). Listen to the professionals and use the earliners with the epoxy. Bill and George, both, have the credentials that back their statements and believe you me, if it was a method that was used at one time or another, Bill and George both have probably experimented with it.(especially OLD George) They, along with scores of other world renowned taxidermists, have just simply found the method that works "BEST" and have filtered out all the "OLD" tried and true methods. These guys do top notch work and their businesses reflect it.

By the way, please don't take this to heart. My response is not meant as criticism or to ruffle any feathers. If you think it does re-read what I have put in words here. I hope you pick up some good info on these forums because Lord knows there is enough good stuff in here. Good luck and happy taxiing!


Use your own method

This response submitted by Wayne S. on 3/5/01. ( hbtaxidermy@hotmail.com ) 207.144.251.43

Hi Brian,
Use whatever method suits you best. These guys have a habit of forcing things down your throat! Both methods are good, just according to which one you feel comfortable with. If your doing competition, use earliners, if doing commercial work, use either one, it's up to you. As far as trying something new, do it, just use your own cape to do it. Thanks, Wayne


BLUE RIBBON BONDO..............

This response submitted by B.S.RHEA on 3/5/01. ( ) 209.192.107.146

If you get your bondo in your ear as thin as a plastic earliner,whats the difference?I know alot of blue ribbon deer with bondo ears.Hey that rhymes...


Bobbi

This response submitted by George on 3/5/01. ( georoof@aol.com ) 172.134.1.162

I might not be house broken, but what some people on here don't realize is that "Trial and Error" is what killed Icarus. Your example is retro to your intention. Foam forms, earliners, and home tans are eons ahead of the crap that used to fill this industry. I was just trying to save you the trial and error part so you could be ahead of the game.
Furthermore, I'm adamantly against suggestions such as Wayne's. Why give your customers crap and save the good stuff for your own personal gain. Your customer may not know the ears are thicker with Bondo, but YOU WILL. When you do something and do it to the best of your ability, you shouldn't have to decide who's worthy of getting it. If you use Bondo, use Bondo and do the best you can at it. But if you want good looking ears, use liners on everything and everyone you do will be just a little better than the last. Your customers may not notice, but I'd bet you will.
I should never be confused with an "expert" and I certainly don't do competition quality work. I don't play a piano, either, but I can tell when the pianist screws up a note. You owe it to yourself to be the very best you can be. Don't fall back to methods that have been surpassed years ago. Why make your work look as bad as the stuff I did 25 years ago?


UNCLE!

This response submitted by Bobbi Meyer on 3/5/01. ( bmeyer@iland.net ) 216.74.200.38

OK OK...I give! The deer that I was planning on experimenting on WOULD be my own. Just like the deer that was my first mount was my own. I can see what I did wrong with it and would change it in the future, but all in all, for a first attempt without a fleshing machine or use of an airbrush I don't think I did that bad! I,ve got pictures if anyone is interested? I'm always open to suggestions and some of the ideas that I have gotten from here are things that I never would have thought of on my own. Thus I find this site invaluable to furthering my knowledge( as little as it may be now ) and hopefully I will be armed with some valuable information when and if I actually get into doing taxidermy for extra money or for something to do when I retire...just trying to better myself before I even get started! Kinda like wearing a helmet before you get on a bike even though you don't really plan on crashing.
Ps. George...do you like liners with or without earbutts?


Another old fart speaks!

This response submitted by JL on 3/5/01. ( wmlures@xtdl.com ) 206.25.228.247

Bobbi..let me try to answer your question without trying to improve your methods. How you do your ears is your business, but Roof and Yox gave you good advice, and I would give you the same advice.However,glazing putty used on autos is nothing but thick red lead putty in a lacquer base. It's use is primarily to fill scratches in body filler when prepairing auto bodies for painting. It is basically a THICK, LACQUER BASE PAINT.It does harden over several hours, but not like a bondo product. Since I do several repro fish here, and have to sand many of them and fill with epoxie putty, I sometimes use this "galzing putty" to make transitions smooth before painting and it should be applied in thin layers. I sometimes do bondo ears also, so I have a good idea how this putty would act if you tried to thicken it or strenghten it with chopped fiberglass strands...I don't think it would work.Since it would be a long time setting up, how would you keep the shape of the ears while they set up over such a long period of time? Also, since the putty is nothing but thick paint there wouldn't be any strength to the ears.This is my opinion, but hell, give it a try and let me know how it turned out.Good luck ...JL


Bobbi

This response submitted by Bill Yox on 3/5/01. ( ) 205.188.209.168

We will advise you, but your BEST teacher will always be experience. There definitely ARE differences between liners and fillers, Wayne just doesnt know what our true intent is. You MUST know in your heart that me or George doesnt really care what your deers ears look like, so we have no motive that way. We, however, DO want to give you the most accurate advice we can. Joe Meder is one of many favorite deerhead guys I know, and he uses the filler method on his ears, last I knew. He is one of the more respected deer guys out there, so that should validate the method, if you choose it. We arent bad mouthing here...


Wrong Forum!

This response submitted by Jim J. on 3/6/01. ( ) 152.163.188.199

Did I some how get on the autobody repair forum by mistake? I have a 1955 chevy. I'am restoring & thought I might pick up afew pointers on bodywork along with the taxidermy lessons! LOL, 40 years of doing taxidermy & I still don't know what I'am doing. I've never heard the same questions asked in so many different ways! Bondo-liners or no liners, try both ways & see which works best for you, no two ways works the same for everyone. Experiment & don't be afraid to try things on you own. You might have the newest idea in taxidermy.I don't want to offend anyone as I've noticed some people are real thin skinned on this forum, must be from the days of pounding out lead earliners.


Dear Jim J

This response submitted by Bobbi Meyer on 3/6/01. ( bmeyer@iland.net ) 216.74.200.84

I have done some body work too, so if you need any pointers just drop me a line!
Anyone else out here tie fishing flies?


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