advice for guys getting started

Submitted by Bill Yox on 01/28/2003. ( ) 152.163.189.72

Look, if you are looking to get started in taxidermy, let me give you some sound and honest advice. Read some posts in here for a few days, and try to go back into the archives to get a feel for things here first. That way when someone like me, who has made the mistakes already, answers you, you wont feel slighted. Or that you were attacked. Or that you were bearing, on your shoulders, the sins of all other who passed here before you. Its hard to get into a business, especially small specialized ones like taxidermy. We as taxidermists really dont give a flip who does or doesnt make it, honestly. We do, however, enjoy giving honest and sound advice, because even though we dont know you personally, we want to answer with integrity, knowing we did what was right. Sort of like treating you as we would like to be treated. Every area is different, each situation might need its own game plan, but some basic principles seem to always apply. We say it not to be mean spirited, but just to be correct. How you apply this advice of course is up to you. See the previous post "Just looking for opinions, not a war", for an example of what Im saying.

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just starting

This response submitted by ken on 01/28/2003. ( ) 65.144.106.55

everyone one here has been a tremendous help. thanks for all of everyone's time. like i said i'm just getting started and i will probably be triving some of you crazy. just wanting to thank in advance.


You also might thank WASCO

This response submitted by PA on 01/28/2003. ( ) 151.201.62.1

Your post concerning suppliers was not at all respective of the company that maintains this web site. It could be that you are unaware that the entire bill for this site is paid for by WASCO. Tracking numbers aren't really that important in the grand scheme of things.


AMEN, Bill;PA

This response submitted by George on 01/28/2003. ( georoof@aol.com ) 152.163.189.102

Well done. And what the hell good does a "tracking number" do for me? By the time I figure out how to find it on here, it's been delivered and if it hasn't the fact that it's been setting in the Altoona loading station for 3 days doesn't do me a lot of good either. Does anyone have Altoona's phone number?


One more time

This response submitted by Tony on 01/28/2003. ( ) 209.69.212.221

I hear what Bill's saying. But I'm not sure that he's practicing what he's preaching. "treating you as we would like to be treated . . ."

So let's revisit the post that started it all. I believed you were being just a bit sarcastic, perhaps even mean-spirited, in your initial reply. Maybe you weren't. But it didn't seem helpful and, to me, it wasn't even on the topic of the discussion. I was asking about starting out. You were claiming I'm trying to be cheap. I'm sorry but you certainly wouldn't want to be treated that way would you?

Let's look at a different way . . .

Let's say I were to look at your writing. And I was to say "You're sprinling commas around in that column as if they were from a salt shaker. Run-on sentences abound. You change tense several times. Are you in the past of active voice? We've leared this in high school and college. If you haven't gotten the English language by now, you never will."

Now is that helpful? Or is it just a bit petty.

Why couldn't I have simply said, Hey Bill, you've got a good start and a little polishing will really make it shine. Here's some thoughts on how to improve . . .

Maybe that's candy-coated. Or maybe it's just a decent way of phrasing things.

But, seriously, Bill you know way more than I do. I would like to become the taxidermist that you and George and John and others here are. If I took your answer the wrong way, I apologize and I hope that it ends here.

But I must wonder, as a guy affiliated with the NTA -- an organization that, I'm sure, is interested in the long-term well-being of the industry -- shares the same "we don't care if you make it or not." Attitude. Is that the old "treat others as we want to be treated" attitude.

I don't know. I guess I'm a bit confused as to why things got so worked up in the first place.


Okay, a deep breath . . .

This response submitted by Tony on 01/28/2003. ( ) 216.120.159.162

I reread (again) the comments from myself and Bill. And I can see where I might have misconstrued some of his replies as he might have mine. That's the tough part about communicaton via words. You can't hear the tone of voice, etc. Sometimes it's easy to think something is meant with sarcasm when it's meant with sincerity.

My biggest beef (and it really wasn't much of one) with Bill's initial response was that I thought he was accusing me of wanting to simply do cheap work. That goes against everything I've ever done. I'm a small-town guy from a no-name place and I feel I've done pretty well professionally in a career that's not the least bit friendly or laid back. Nothing was handed to me. It was all hard work and self-taught. That's how I live, how I work and how I'll always be. I don't want to be cheap or cut corners.

I think the biggest problem was the way I phrased my question. I should have simply asked "any ideas on how a guy gets a start?" or something like that. I should have never mentioned the scenario of charging a nominal fee to get a few deer to work on. I just couldn't explain well enough that my intent wasn't to open a business based on low prices but to simply get some heads to mount without buying my own capes.

I know from reading previous posts of Bill's that he has a sense of humor and a high level of intellect. Sometimes, I write things with my tongue planted firmly in my cheek and it comes out wrong. Maybe that happened here.

At any rate, I don't believe Bill is a bad guy and I hope he has the same opinion of me. I misunderstood his intents and I think he misunderstood mine.

And so, I've gotten some ideas on how to get started. I appreciate them and plan to implement some of them. I apologize if I offended anyone and I hope that Mr. Yox accepts.

One final note, don't take my writing critique example in the previous post the wrong way. That was merely hypothetical NOT an actual real-life observation. I was just trying to turn the situation around and show you things from my persepective. You do a fine job in the magazine and I'm sure you know that.

As for going back to my outdoor writing contests, well, I guess I probably should do that.


Tony

This response submitted by Bill Yox on 01/28/2003. ( ) 205.188.209.12

Great analogy. If you said what you just suggested about my grammar, I wouldnt say that you were attacking me, or that it was a poor answer, etc. Honest. I would say this...I know, I know, too many commas, no punctuation, and those long-winded sentences! Paragraphs are challenging too. But I write in here just as I talk, number one, and number two, when you are copied, parodied and impersonated as much as I am in here, you learn quickly to develop a style thats different, so those who know will be able to tell the difference. You ask Ken at this site or Kathy at Breakthrough, theyll tell you. So nope, no harm done, I dont mind. And youre right, too.

As for how you took me...yes, I was being a bit sarcastic, to get a rise and reply from you as well as to answer others who still want the answer but werent the ones to post it. Remember that we address more then one person in these posts. Im as dumb as the next guy, trust me, but I also know how the forum game is played here. Also, I like to have guys work these things out as well. I could just blurt out answers, but Id rather give some help, sit back and enjoy watching you guys in the forums
when the light goes on for you.

As for my comment about not really caring if you guys do or dont make it, or whatever, you missed my point. In fact, the whole thing is that you may be dwelling on one word at the expense of another, really. I said as almost a "disclaimer" that look, it really doesnt matter one way or another, actually. Of course I hope guys make it, or do well. Why else would I post in here? I evidently enjoy the good part enough to put up with whats less than fun for me. My choice.

So, no, you need not apologize to me as I dont feel you did anything to warrant one. Yes, you probably took me wrong, I believe you did. No harm done, as I see it. Just take the words at face value, nothing more.


Good deal.

This response submitted by Tony on 01/28/2003. ( ) 216.120.159.162

Thanks Bill. I don't want to get off on the wrong foot with someone I can learn from.

And as for the writing. Your sentences aren't too long. Not too many commas. Think of it as taxidermy. How many things have you done in your taxi work that "broke the rules" but they worked and transcended your ability? That's what I think about the rules of writing. Break them. Break them not to spite someone but to experiment.

And the best advice that was ever given to me was "write how you speak." You do and you're on the right track. Actually, you're travelling a ways down that track. In my opinion. And, believe me, I've seen some bad, bad writing in my few days. Yours isn't included in it.


Hey Leanna

This response submitted by terry v on 01/29/2003. ( search@orange.button ) 216.120.182.89

got any smelling salts. i'm feeling woosey from all the sugar. LOL.
Tony, welcome to the taxidermy net. I'm getting the same feeling I used to get when I would write to my high school english teacher. Tony just so you know, most of the time i leave out the caps.


No caps, no problem

This response submitted by Tony on 01/29/2003. ( ) 209.69.212.104

The only problem with caps IS TOO MUCH OF THEM.

LOL! Thanks for the welcome. And, I like sugar.


uh, Tony?

This response submitted by Bill Yox on 01/29/2003. ( ) 205.188.209.12

Didn't you mean...too MANY of them? Hahaha, just funnin.


man this is lame

This response submitted by Tommytoo 2 on 01/30/2003. ( 222@222.net ) 209.240.198.60

No wonder it takes so long for all these "experts" to complete mounts. Always stirrin' up jack-off drama in here.Three years on a deer head. Phooey!


let me guess

This response submitted by Bill Yox on 01/30/2003. ( ) 152.163.189.102

When you post one of these clever submissions, Ill bet you print it out and tape it to your bedroom wall. Try not to worry yourself over what I do with my private time. Dont you feel the least bit ashamed when you do this and cant even muster up the balls to leave your own name, though? ANY coward can throw a cheap shot from behind Mommy's apron...


yea yea

This response submitted by Tommytoo2 on 01/30/2003. ( ) 209.240.198.60

but see how easy it is to keep the drama going. this post was dead days ago, so why'd you come back? you were hoping someone would come in here and stir the stew,and here i am. Man, this is TOO easy!


sorry, guy

This response submitted by Bill Yox on 01/30/2003. ( ) 64.12.96.106

Hate to burst your bubble, but I got a phone call from someone who told me of the post. Do you honestly get off on this stuff?


c'mon now

This response submitted by Tommytoo2 on 01/30/2003. ( ) 209.240.198.60

lets not pretend we don't like this nonsense. if we didn't we wouldn't be checking for new posts to get all huffy and puffy over. you responded to my post no more than 15 minutes after i wrote it! Dang! This guy gets paid $500 to bury his nose in this forum and look for people insulting his integrity?! Hmmmmmm. I must've slept through that lesson in taxidermy class. WAAAAY to easy i tell ya! Talk to ya soon ol' pal


Ill play your silly game

This response submitted by Bill Yox on 01/30/2003. ( ) 64.12.96.106

Yes, this time I DID check back. What I dont get is...WHY? Why do you bother? Sure, Ive said countless times in these threads that we all love a train wreck. The exchanges are actually fun when we keep them fair. I said FAIR. I use my real name. I also use ME as the topic of some of my jokes, too. I guess Im just a fart, but I just dont get a real kick doing it this way, with someone who doesnt even post their name, and who tries to impress others by getting too personal. No, I do NOT get paid $500 for this, thats for deerheads. Funny how some guys get to leave work at 5, yet my free time somehow belongs to someone else? Id be much more accomadating when posts like this were at least accompanied by an email explaining who it is or why. To show Im fair, we all know one phone call and I could have this deleted, yet I dont...Bottom line, fire away, but my mounts are still what they are, you cant take that away, lol.


Imaturity at it 's Peak!

This response submitted by ed on 01/31/2003. ( ) 216.78.29.62

Yep you guy's take the cake, Real Pro's!


I LOVE CAKE

This response submitted by TOMMYTOO2 on 02/10/2003. ( ) 209.240.198.60

GUILTY AS CHARGED


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