antlers got bigger

Submitted by houndog on 3/5/05 at 11:30 AM. ( houndoggy1@netzero.net ) 64.136.49.228

i had a customer bring me his deer and claim i broke his antler skull cause they dont look like they did in the picture when he killed it.i told him the antlers are the same and if he wanted i would tear it down so he could see they were on the mount correctly.he agreed if i was right he would pay for repair when i was done.i proved him wrong but now he says the antlers have changed anyway .he says the right antler has twisted a whole inch.i said impossible but he insists they are different and wants me to cut off the antler and turn it a inch.has anyone ever heard of antlers shrinking that much or is he just crzy?

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Houndog

This response submitted by Jim B on 3/5/05 at 11:41 AM. ( ) 64.12.116.133

It probably is possible to lose an inch in spread when the skull cap dries.It doesn't take much movement at the skull cap to change an inch at the outer parts of the rack if it is a real big rack.Make him pay.


Make him pay

This response submitted by Jack F on 3/5/05 at 3:54 PM. ( ) 24.97.78.149

ever heard of drying time. I would charge for that type of repair. I agree with Jim.


Drying Time

This response submitted by B on 3/5/05 at 4:14 PM. ( ) 205.188.116.133

There may be some difference between a raw antler and a dry. However an Inch is a bit much. I score a great many sets every year. People always want instant gratification so they bring them in within days of being killed. Sometimes hours. I explain the score will not be official. And I cannot sign a score sheet until they have dried, When they bring them back after drying. The difference is rarely more than fractions Of an Inch.
What You have is the typical Taxidermy nut case. a classic example. One of those guys who always seem to think what they killed is better, bigger, prettier, or heavier than what they actually got. they have fantasized how great and grand their trophy was. Now that they are faced with the facts. They convince themselves that something is wrong.
You proved to him his skull was intact. I would charge him for my time doing so. and I would charge him for any additional time. I had to spend on the mount to make it what he wants. But I would in no way get into it more time than I could sell the finished mount for. Often times when dealing with those kind of idiots you get stuck with the mount. Hay do not want proof that the story they have been telling is all lies. so they will abandon the mount.


where was it stored?

This response submitted by Tom on 3/5/05 at 5:57 PM. ( ) 152.163.100.133

I myself have seen many photos that seem to enhance the bucks rack as well as some that make it look smaller. If a set of antlers are dried in a dry hot environment i believe the differenc then would be more than slight as suggested by B. It would be like taking a kiln dried 2x4 from the center of a stacked load and lay it in the sun. It will change. I would suggest taking a deposit and let the customer be responsible for the rack if there seems to be a concern next time. There are definatly better ways than others to store a rack for the 60 day drying time.


he already paid for it

This response submitted by houndog on 3/5/05 at 8:23 PM. ( ) 65.144.10.215

i let the rack dry since the 2nd week of december.i told him it would cost more to repair and he agreed,i told him that if it really did move an inch that there was nothin i could do about it and it aint my fault.but i still think hes nuts.


i also let it dry

This response submitted by houndog on 3/5/05 at 8:25 PM. ( ) 65.144.10.215

for 2 months and in cool temps below 60.no other rack changed in my shop


he also claims

This response submitted by houndog on 3/5/05 at 8:28 PM. ( ) 65.144.10.215

that some tines got bigger.and the front spread got bigger


He' not crazy!

This response submitted by C A on 3/5/05 at 10:45 PM. ( ) 70.113.34.43

Your customer is not crazy...he's an idiot. Plain and simple. If he's dead set on you "fixing" his rack, then just do what he wants, but CHARGE him for it. For a repair such as this, collect up front. He is not going to be happy no matter what, so make sure you get your money first. Personally, I have never seen a deer's spread shrink an inch. I can't even remember one shrinking over 1/2 inch. And, I've never had a customer complain about tines getting longer. He's an idiot.


Nut Job Indeed!

This response submitted by Mr. T on 3/5/05 at 10:50 PM. ( ) 64.31.6.114

I hope I never have one like that. I clean the antlers after I cape the head and give them back to the owner so he can show his friends. Then when it is time for mounting, I just call and they bring them back in to be mounted. This way they have learned what the rack looks like, they have showed it off to all the guys and they are not so geeked as to bug you all of the time about when the mount will be finished. Some are satisfied to leave the rack and wait for the job to be finished.
A picture taken by you, and some measurements taken with the customer standing there might help out in the future from this happening again.


antlers

This response submitted by hunter on 3/6/05 at 6:58 AM. ( ) 67.51.77.60

Get a couple of opinions show cause and reason prove to this guy the why and how and your not at fault it a natural cause they dry they shrink they more and shift some then let him worry about it you got a business to run prove your point and move on your right just prove it to him good luck.
hunter22


Take measurement

This response submitted by Mike on 3/7/05 at 10:05 AM. ( ) 216.234.112.32

When I check in a specimin I always record the inside spread, nose to eye and both antler tips to nose measurements. I also take a neck cercomferance and all of these are taken right in front of the customer, added to the contract. I also note any damage. That contract is signed by the customer. When I cape out the deer later, I always shoot a short video segment that shows the signed taxidermy tag form (Michigan DNR required) on the rack along with any damage I find on the cape. When the customer comes to pick up their mount, I try not to hang it next to a mount that is larger than theirs. I have a couple small mounts of mine for that reason in the area where I hang customer mounts waiting for pickup. My bigger mounts are on the other side of the room.


I had a

This response submitted by LK on 3/7/05 at 4:18 PM. ( ) 209.32.236.140

customer this year that swore his outside meas. shrunk 1 1/2 inches. Seemed a bit much but I checked a big nontypical that I had green scored and the dry inside meas. had lost 1/2 inch so I suppose its possible.


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