have a 71/4 by 20 ,going on a Joe Meder full sneak;would it be improper to show a waddle with this pose.
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Whitetails aren't eland. They don't have "wattles".
If you are meaning skin wrinkles...Then it is up to the customer.
I have MANY large bodied mature bucks that, when having their neck turned, plainly showing fat wrinlkes around the head and lower neck above the shoulders and also a lot of loose wronlked skin under the chin and throat area Especially during the early season before their winter coat grows out.
asked,because on page 26 of joe coombs classics 800 series;has a waddle under the throat on the form.its a semi sneak.i just wonderd if the deer was in a full sneak,would it take away the look of sagging skin in the throat area,i have seen brian dobson,in his video put skin sagg on a meder heads up.matt i think you know what im after,in that kind of look.george i can allways count on you giving me a smart *ss respons.
You're the one who had "waddles" on the deer. Now wattles tend to be extended and showy. If you meant a dewlap, you'll see that dewlaps are usually confined to cattle and old people (like me). If you look at any references of whitetails with their necks extended in a downward position, you'll see that the skin is stretches semi-taut. I suppose that an 8 -10 year old, corn fed, pen raised deer might have a slight dewlap under the jaw, but the skin on whitetails is so resilient that a 250 pound buck actually fits into a 160 pound skin from the early spring until the peak of the rut. A 100 pound button buck can actually get a whole apple inside it's mouth, but the skin does stay stretched after it's digested.
The problem with many of you here is that you ask a question that you already know the answer to, but are looking for someone to agree with you. If you want to make the deer look like a Watusi, then do it. Just don't expect people who know what a deer actually looks like to agree with your interpretation.
why dont you take it up with joe coombs;thats what he calls it;when you put your line of forms out;i will call it.what you call it.ithink matt c knows what im looking for;sounds like he has deer.
george.. A deers hide doesnt stretch flat and tight over its muscles . There is natural wrinkles and "rolls" and a taxidermist wanting to recreate a true to life deer mount will include them when the form and cape allows for that authentic representation of what the animal really looks like.
A deer in the wild and alive wouldnt get a honorable mention in a taxidermy competition.
I for one and tired of seeing these flat formless deer mounts. get back to nature and make them look real.
Glen Conley and I've talked about this for years. Whitetail deer DON'T have folds in their skin any more than most African animals do. Taxidermists PUT folds there because the skin isn't as resilient as in real life. TAXIDERMISTS have decided that deer have folds. The only folds you'll ever find on any whitetail are those of very early season deer and MAYBE a couple in front of the ear butts. Otherwise, the skin is quite fluid. I raised a buck, Willow, for his first year and he never had any folds of skin on him until he got to be about 10 or 12 years old. He developed the throat dewlap and he always had a slightly defined esophageal ridge down his neck, but when he turned to either side, his skin floated back and forth. Sculptors had led taxidermists to believe the Arnold Swartznegger/sterioid deer is the normal when in fact, it's simply an abberation to what a real life, wild deer looks like.
Deer, especially mature buck in ful rut have huge "wrinkles" in the skin aroudn their head and neck junction and alot of extra skin under their "chin".
We had a debate about this on another taxidermy forum a few years ago and the same week we had a 5.5 year old buck brought to me by the DNR that had been roadkilled. (still steaming and limber) The hide was too rough to try and salvage so I "sheared" the cape from the points of the shoulders up and turned the bucks head in different poses showing how the skin "wrinkled" up in key areas around the head and neck to rpove that I wasnt crazy. I had the pics on my old PC before it crashed and stupid me didnt save them on a backup disc.
I am not saying put in exaggerated detail to make it look like a steroid fed freak..but naural wrinkles and rolls in certain areas is normal and anatomically correct.
I won't ever be convinced as Willow was the only example I watched closely enough. In the full rut, he didn't have a neck. His head was connected directly to his ass by one big body. A dead deer, regardless of how "fresh" no longer has blood coursing its skin and it, like humans, becomes immediately flacid. Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
......But it was a very "old" buck. A friend of mine had a 13 year old mule deer buck that had "wattles"! Notice the S on the word wattle. He had TWO of them, on on each side of his head/neck. I can't be more exact than that, because that describes it. He looked like a male orangutan! His skin stretched out every fall when he was in rut and finally it must have lost it's elasticity and just didn't go back to where it belonged when the neck went back to normal. Even with that I don't recall seeing anything that would resemble a dewlap.
George is right, the skin on a live deer is VERY fluid and when the deer turns it's head the skin will flow rather than bunch. When we deal with it we tend to take the easy route, we put wrinkles in where there should be none or just faint ones. Take a good look at some LIVE reference of african game, there are wrinkles, but they aren't nearly as pronounced as we all tend to make them.