Why is it so important to demand a deer cape from a specified State? Such as,,,,, Looking for a Kansas deer cape, or,,,,,, Wanted, deer cape from Indiana, or,,,,,, Texas deer cape for sale. Oh, and those Canadian Whitetail too, don't forget about those. Do we have 50 different breeds of whitetail deer in America? And are there 9 different breeds from Canada? I can see searching for a Southern or Northern deer cape for the length of hair desired for that special mount, just what is the motivation? What if the deer was shot next to the State line and it spent half its life in two different States? Would it be dedicated and sold as to the State is died in? I can see a hunter shooting a Buck in Ohio, at his taxidermist having to tell him the news that it is really a Michigan deer. I am loosing sleep on this one. Any Ideas why this is so?
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Said the same things myself. A guy in Kansas demanding that he have a pelt from a Kansas Deer. Now tell me that no where in Kansas did a silly assed buck cross that state line into Missouri. Maybe an early fall, late fall, late winter. The Canadian guys are bruisers so size may be an issue, but I'd bet UP, upstate NY, Maine, Montana, Idaho, North Dakota deer would do just fine with those antlers.
....Time in transit could be a major factor for a raw cape, so asking for one located nearby might be a good idea. Otherwise George pretty much nailed it.
I agree with both of you, with the exception of the ears. The ears on our Adirondack bucks are huge! They average 7 to 71/2 inches. (Probably why I can't sneak up on them.) I hunt MO too and have done a few mounts from there and the ears were normal size. I can even use Eppley liners in them.
good thought George on the Canidan brusiers, good thought Old Fart on the short distance for shipping in hot weather.
jerry c,,,, or anybody,,, is there anything to the wivestail that cold climate deer have small ears, and warm weather deer have large ears for cooling blood? Adirondacks, large ears?
but actually a lot of this is in the Archives. In the last go round, I finally got Uncle George straightened out on one thing (so I thought).
I am one of those people who is real close to a state border. Indiana right next door to Ohio. Some times Ohio deer do come into Indiana, and they can always be easily identified. They have a distintive O under their tail.
Ears and cooling or heat retention? A biology class classic, BUT Jerry just pointed out the deer ear size in his neck of the woods.
NOW, let me give you another question to help keep you up nights.....
Let's pretend you live in Michigan. It's winter, and colder than Hell (strange, I always thought Hell was supposed to be hot), you're driving along on a back road and notice a cocoon hanging on a weed stem just above the snow line. Why does the caterpillar (pupae) not freeze solid, it is cold blooded isn't it?
Now that you're wide awake......why are the Adirondack deer ears not so susceptible to frost bite?
If a guy is 3 feet 12 inches tall and wears a size 10 shoe, does he have big feet?
If a guy is 6 feet 11 inches tall and wears a size 10 shoe, does he have little feet?
If a guy is 5 feet 11 inches tall and wears a size 10 shoe, what kind of feet does he have?
If whitetails are no different from one area to another, why on Earth did they ever get taxonomically classified into different species?
relative to the magnetic flux where the deer live - i thot everyone knew this or i would have posted it sooner
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And Glen, I know the answer to the question about the cocoon, but it's impolite to ask and not answer your own trivia questions. So getrdone!
And be careful with that "taxonomically" crap. At one time the Kodiak bear was considered a separate species from the grizzly, remember. (Taxonomist tend to be either "lumpers" or "splitters" in how they see issues.)Then they changed it back and then they changed it again so that the mountain grizzly or "inland grizzly" wouldn't be pitted against the "coastal grizzly". Whitetails are the same issue in MY OPINION. You did notice that they all begin with "odocoileus" (though the Frenchman Rafinesque screwed up the intended "odontocoelus" which means hollow toothed)and "virginianus" (there's the "O" on the end you were speaking of) but then the scientists wanted the hunters happy and we got 'clavium", "borealis", "dacotensis", "couesi", ad nauseum added behind even that. Then be sure you don't forget the RULES! EGADS, the RULES! There's Bergmann's Rule on sizes of animals by geography, Allen's Rule that colder ranged deer have shorter ears, tails and legs than warmer species (OOPS!, there goes the Adirondack deer unless they're queer deer) and then there's Gloger's Rule that says coloration is dictated by habitat and temperate zones.
Now Glen, I've already entrusted too much knowlege to some of these people so you'd better get busy and explain how the pupae survives the winter freeze.
it's supposed to be Mr. T losing sleep over seeking truth and knowledge, not me and thee.
If Mr. T doesn't get the one on the pupae, I'll save it for later. We haven't had a George Britannica vs. taxidermy.net forums for awhile.
Hey! What about hemionus? He starts with Odocoileus. Is
So......does that mean that lupus, lupis, latrans, rufus and familiaris are all the same? Or are they all different? (I can't wait for Mr. T to read these questions, he'll probably never sleep again)
Yeah, now how about Jerry's big eared queer deer? What keeps those ears from frost biting in the winter? They got pupae in them or something?
I'll think on them today, be back tonight, oh,,, and look on the map, there is a Hell Michigan and it's the same temperature as the rest of the State. I though you knew that.
Well I was just reading one of my many books last night and it said there are 38 subspecies of white tail from Canada to Brazil . To bad it didnt list them . Rick.
Taxonomists have a license to add or subtract as the ExLax works it's way through their systems. The mule deer that Glen mentioned metaphorically is a prime example of scientific spatialism. The Black-Tail, the Sitka Blacktail, the Desert Mule Deer, and the whitetail/mule deer hybrids have yet to be so "honored" in this clusterism. I keep wondering why they didn't use the same phylum that moose, elk, and sika deer all fall into: cervid. Where did Alces alces come from anyway? LOL And you know that there are no "moose" outside of North America?
....You can't save your shoes!LOL
They still make that stuff?
Hey, Rick, lay Odocoileus virginianus couesi on Ol' Uncle George!
All those little whitetails look alike, don't they?
You need to go see the Wizard; you know how to get there! Haaaaa got you back!
First question, the pupa will not freeze solid, because it produces glycerol. I had to go back to my Entomology course I took in 4 H. If I remember right, I got a blue ribbon on my collection. Yawn,,, I am falling asleep here.
Second Question, Adirondack deer ears from being frost bit? Just guessing here, it must be the large supply of blood through the perfectly placed veins and vessels by the master creator. Unless he put glycerol in the blood, but glycerol is produced by part of the pupa dissolving. He does have his secrets. Maybe he told you?
Third question, no.
Fourth Question, no.
Fifth question, he has average size feet. Size ten is the average size foot for men around the world. This is why I say no on 3 and 4.
Odocoileus Hemionus = Mule deer
Lupus = Wolf
Lupis = Fox
Latrans= Coyote
Rufus = Red Wolf
Wake me up Wiz,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Looking for a Michigan Dama dama cape, need a buck to go with sheds I have.
You shoulda posted that in the "WANTED" category. You'd have done just as well. LOL
Taxonomist = Scientist that group living things together, it seems that they can divide the Whitetail deer into 38 subspecies, then they group the Reindeer and Caribou as one. These don't even look the same or size. One is wild, the other domesticated. But they do run together when migrating, stupid Reindeer think they are Caribou. I also see that no one agrees to how many subspecies of Whitetail there are in North America, 14,9,8,20,19, who really knows?
much to be learned here! now my question is...........if i mix glycerol, in my coke this winter, instead of Jack Daniels will i not get cold feet?
should i start gathering bag fulls of cacoons for mid day snacks when the temps drop below freezing?
When you look at a prairie whitetail cape, like Sask or Alberta, its often pale colored, with a plain brisket. They almost appear grey. I seen many. Other times theyre very narrow in the muzzle, beyond the wide head and brow. We have big deer here in NY and Ohio, but they dont match up to those canadian capes. Ask for a cape from Illinois or Indiana, and youll get a brighter colored cape almost reddish, with solid white instead of faded with grey roots in it, plus those tick related rubs in the briskets. Texas and similar southern capes are often almost a salt and pepper grey or even silver. Mississippi and Texas have small ears alot of times, and so does NJ, but the deer is way different. Adirondack, NY deer have those giant ears, but western NY farm country bucks dont very often. Montana bucks are pale with smallish faces compared to old hog faced Ohio deer.
The above examples are accurate, but not set in stone. Theres variables, but you can bet your boots those examples exist. Not all capes from these areas are that color, but its likely youll see those colors and styles from those areas. THATS why guys ask specifically for capes from specific places.
I'll vouch for his comment on the NY deer. Take a pine barren deer from NJ and it will closely resemble a Tx wt. Smaller bodied with big racks as adult aged deer. Compare them to a mature wt from central NJ and you would swear your looking at two different species. Go from central Jersey to the northwest corner and you really dont see that much of a difference. Cross the border to NY by 10 to 20 miles and all the deer are significantly smaller in size again with enormous ears. Here I thought all deer looked alike.