has anyone tried the ultra ears adhesive from Van Dykes? wondering if it works as well as the two part epoxies i like the fact that it is pre colored
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I've heard the statement you made by many people, yet I have not had a single one answer my question. You state, " i like the fact that it is pre colored". Why?
Even Bill Yox told me that but could never explain to me how that putting red adhesive in an ear made any difference. Unless you do something totally different during your process that makes your deer ear skin transparent, your ears are always going to dry brown, tea colored, leather colored. Having red or pink are even chartreuse under that skin has never shown through on my deer and the ears still need to be painted. On the early season deer and southern tier deer where there's no hair in the ears, this is especially true and unless someone tells me a brand new idea, I'll always look at coloring ear adhesive as just a gimmick that hooks taxidermists but does squat for the finished product.
But if you use an ear liner and you color the epoxy it DOES show through. Then it is just a matter of tinting the ear instead of painting it.
DaveT
i tint my earliner adhesive as well and it leaves minimal finish work to be done after. pete lajoie demonstrated this at new englands last show and it works great.
three blind men feeling parts of an elephant and describing the elephant by what they felt. One was feeling the trunk, one was feeling a leg, and one was feeling something else.
The photo below has been on the web for real close to five years. I might add that ALL the ear photos show mounts that were done without painting the inner ear skin, instead the earliners were painted.
When a skin is pickled, the structures left behind will be the dermal layer of collagen in a state of greater or lesser disassociation depending on the acid used, and the cell membranes as phospholipid layers, or if you prefer the term, phosphorous and fat. You are looking at transparent and translucent structures. Always wemember, Gwasshoppa, drops of water make ocean.
www.whitetailsystems.com/GreenHideFacts.html
The next two articles have also been on the web for pushing five years.
The first photo on this article shows a whitetail ear with black inner ear skin. Most generally I regard that as the pigment melanin, BUT the total darkness may also be influenced by the nature of the phosphorous as phosphorous can be red, yellow or black.
Remember also that carbon can also take different forms and as result is also capable of "displaying" different colors depending upon what it is linked with and what arrangement these structures are in. (colors will depend on what wave length of light is reflected back to the eye, if the wave length is absent, that color can not be reflected back to the eye, obvious examples would be colors under incandescent light as opposed to Gro-Lux, or natural sun light)
I have no idea as to what each individual has their computers set at to display colors, and the color red is lost to a great degree with digital imaging, needless to say, the weaker pink will get lost faster.
Regardless, the tea color might well make a good description of what inner ear skin would appear as when reduced down to it's simplest form, BUT it would be a real weak tea color, like adding a little tea to a glass of water.
www.whitetailsystems.com/CloseLookAtEars.html
www.whitetailsystems.com/HiltonEppleysCritique.html
This last article has been on the web for maybe a year.
www.hidetanning.net/EarLinerAlteration.html
Ed Piaskowski built upon and refined the same techniques by airbrushing for a skin to plastic inner ear detail for a smoother transition for the mount he had at the World Taxidermy and Fish Carving Championships, 2003, where he took, 1st place, Professional Division, Best Of Category, and Best Professional Entry . That mount can be seen at: www.whitetailsystems.com/LeatherizingAcid.html
If you add chemicals to that inner ear skin that creates opaqueness they are going to reflect light as opposed to allowing it to absorb, you aren't going to see any underlying color.
....I actually understood what you said there, and that scares hell outa me. Probably because I eschew the pickle step, I don't get those same results. PROBABLY.
I have been working on my French to English. If there's ever any doubt as to what I am trying to "say", just yell for Joe Osborne to interpret.
First off! It's OSBORN No "E". C'mon Glen. Be nice. I have seen you answer some pretty simple questions with long articals on the topic. And most of the info given is already listed on hidetanning.net! I can't pass up saying "I think what Glen is trying to say is" Now I have tanned a few capes with WTDS (I did skip the SHRINK-TONIC) and I must say the ears still came out that tea or yellow color. I use ear liners by Van Dykes (the pink ones) and the pink 15min bond tite for a glue. I airbrush all my ears. All the ref pix I have show a white or white with a shade of flesh color to the inner ear. HOWEVER! I have seen lots of summer deer with dark inner ear skin! I am thinking just like people and pigs they burn or get tanned in the summer time. A good exe. of this is on the link below.
http://photobucket.com/albums/b24/jrosbor/kids%20and%20deer/?action=view¤t=24465439.jpg&slideshow=true&interval=3
The pix are of my kids feeding the deer at the deer park in Wis. Dells. Note the dark color of the ears (even the backside of the ears) Another good exe would be the WT Fawn ref disk from WDTS. If you look at the ear pix the color is a deep tan or darker tea color. Earley summer fawns?
I don't question the photos in the above post. Yes deer just like people have dif colors of skin. And I am very guilty of the "my customers prefer" They seem not to care what a live deer's ears look like. If it makes the rack bigger, they are happy with it. It has been my exp. that yellow ears draw your eyes away from the antlers, Why? I don't know.
Glen! Be nice! Joe
Osborne is the French version. Thanks for translating to the English Osborn. See, George, I told ya he could translate.
April showers bring May fawns.
well still no answer as to anyone using the ultra ears?, although my question certainly opened up a can of worms
thanks anyways i do airbrush my ears just thought maybe i would not have to paint as much
Maybe you better try the artist oils for tinting, they will show thru and eliminate any painting on the ears!
Yep it really does work alzerin crimson, try it! Before you say it don't work.
I did state I use pink ear liners and pink glue. My ears still have that tea/yellow color to them when they dry. Ultra Ears is PINK! What we are trying to do here is give some insight on the subject of ear color. Glen paints his ear liners, George is just smarting off to Glen, And I use pink ear liners and pink glue and still paint my ears (per customer request). Your question has been addressed. Yo Glen! My family's roots are in "England" NOT France. England... The other white meat. Joe
George did answer your question in the first post.
"Unless you do something totally different during your process that makes your deer ear skin transparent, your ears are always going to dry brown, tea colored, leather colored"
This is the comment that got Glen all fired up. See how it all starts? LOL! Joe
I PUNCH HOLES IN MY EARLINERS SO THE ADHESIVE STCKS TO BOTH SIDES WHICH ELIMINATES DRUMMING. THEN I LIGHTLY AIRBRUSH A PINK TINT TO THEM WHICH MAKES THE REAL LIFE BEAUTIFUL. I HAD HEADS SINCE 1996 WITH NO DRUMMING ON EARS WHATSOEVER AT ALL. ALSO NO YELLOWING AT ALL. THANKS