Is it possible, when doing a European Mount, to cut off the horns, then clean the skull, and then re-attach the horns and smooth out the cuts with sculpt? It just seems that would make the cleaning much easier. Also, can you do a Euro mount and take all of the teeth out? Thanks.
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what the f... are you talking about!
I'm talking about removing the antlers from the skull, thus allowing all of the brain cavity to be accessed and then re-attaching the antlers. What don't you get? I can't draw you a picture on this forum now can I.
Thats what you do when you use the repo. skulls
with Doug. I saw a taxidermist do just that to a deer skull that still had the velvet on the antlers turned out pretty good if you ask me.
--whether cutting off the antlers from the pedicals or cutting the whole skull cap off. You eluded that it would allow access to the brain cavity and it seems that would be the only thing it would ease. And really I don't think that is very hard to clean. Churn up the brains a little bit then rinse out with a hose, then take a screwdriver and start the membrane peeling off, then use needlenose pliers or continue using the screwdriver to peel the membrane right out. It is really easy if the brain is extra ripe, like pre macerated I guess you could say. And there are a couple anchor points that are easy to get to and if these are freed up you can almost pull the "brain's shell" out with your fingers.Unless the antlers were in velvet and you were using beetles, I see no benefit. You would be just as well off using a fake skull if you are going to cut into the skull. But I guess I am just skeptical that you could completely hide the cut seam. And I don't really have a problem with the brain.
we've done a few skulls that way when they were in velvet. Works good but in all actually it is a lot more work then just cleaning the skull with the antlers on. Go to hidetanning.net and read the skull cleaning article. It covers your exact question in more detail.
boy, with as much detail as i try to put into my individual workorders now, i cant imagine how much fun and time it would be taking 75-100 euro mounts, recording and measuring the width between each point and several main beam reference measurements to the skull, plus the heigth, from base of skull to all point tips, base of skull to the base of the horn, and the day im off in my width measurements by 1/2 inch and that ol' boy lost the contest by that much because my epoxy set up to fast and they thought it was not fair letting someones re-attatched horns compete or have the same validity ass the natrul skull and base. and to think he didnt appreciate all the wasted work hours i put into re-attatching his perfectly attatched horns because i'm to stupid to get an air hose and blow the damn brains out the back of the head! oh never mind i'm not stupid, i dont have money for a compressor because i never got sh.. done because i spent all my time trying to re attatch those damn antlers!
on ebay they sell a lot of dental tools, that should help you take the teeth out. i'd buy the most expensive pair of teeth pulling pliers they have, that way you can get a good grip on the tooth. be careful not to break the nostril bones though while holding the skull since you dont have any damn horns to hold onto.
what can I use for degreasing a skull other than gas
yes, Walk To France, take a nice long vacation and maybe you'll get rid of your bitterness. Then maybe you can come back and maybe not argue with everybody? Peace~Sam
As far as artificial skulls, don't some of them have the pedicals and some have the cut-out for skull plate? Do you guys ever use the pedical ones? Do you just reattach the antlers w/ threaded rod & epox?
why is it that if i point out that cutting the horns off a perfectly good skull is assinine considered arguing? i call it saving some one alot of time! i mean seriously! cutting off the horns to access the brain when there is already a hole (sometimes bigger thah the horn base itself) in back of the head that does not need resculpting, thats like punching holes in your trailer roof so you can find out if if that roof seal crap really does work when it rains!(does it work sam?) Pete, i've used the pedical ones a few times if the head was blown out or if a customer cut off the horns & then decided he liked the euro look. me personally, i had tough going with those little short rods. what i found works for me is to drill a skinny lag screw deeply through the center of each pedical base, then cut off at threads w/ bolt cutters leaving 1 1/2" to 2" pertruding out the top. drill lil bigger holes in horn base, cut wire width of two top point spread and tape so your top spread is accurate. then i use plastic weld to set horn to lag base(good hard set 3-min. cure)then i use the apoxy sculpt and dont have to hassle w/ wiggling horns while smoothing.i dont know if that will help or hurt you but it's just what i found works 4 me.(p.s.you may wanna lightly sand around the bases to make apoxy adhere stronger, i had it crack on a couple of the 1st ones where it thins out)
Steve,
-Not sure what you have in mind when you refer to taking out all the teeth, but I can tell you how I handle it.
I cut the skull, just above the palate, which results in a nice, low profile mount. Customers almost always ask for it when the see it.
Also, this greatly facilitates the removal of matter in the upper sinus cavities.
You can see the results at http://web.stn.net/beach/Deer_Mount/
If you have any questions, send ne an email.
-Bill
O.K. I'll type slow so you understand. I wasn't talking about cutting the antlers off at the pedicles, I was talking about cutting the horns off with the skull cap still attached. The other way would just be ridicules. As for you not having enough time, if you didn't spend so much time typing lengthy messages here, you might have more. You need not reply to this topic again, since you just don't get it and you bug me. Bye-Bye. For everyone else who didn't have a problem understanding what I was asking, thanks for the help.
you really must have plenty of time if you cut the top of the head off(like you would for a shoulder mount?huh did i understand?)thats dumber than cutting it off at the pedicles, why create a seam where there need not be one? look i may answeer in a sarcastic way, but how else to answer some little smart ass (no i dont need a picture drawn, i see a little smartass) is pointing out to me that the brain cavity can be accessed by cutting off the horns( no crap einstein) when anyone with common sense would recognize it is easily removed through the naturally created orfice in the back and you then dont have to fix something that you broke on purpose because of a hairbrained idea. sorry i bug you but next time come up with a more substantial idea,like how a grasshopper farts something that makes sense!
I ask a simple question. I didn't ask for wise cracks. That's one thing that I don't like is when someone who is actually trying to look at things a little different gets a lot of crap from someone like you. Again, you need not reply to this topic. You haven't helped me one bit. It takes a real man to talk down someone's questions over the computer. I bet in real life, you're a quite, timmid little bitch who has no backbone and uses this forum as an outlet to balance out your pathetic life and to even the score everychance you get. Please leave this discussion!
i guess dinners out of the question?!
I'm sorry you must have gotten the wrong impression. When I wrote "little bitch"...that wasn't flirting. I like women. Sorry. But don't give up, I'm sure there's someone out there for you.
I only asked about the replica skulls because I noticed they are sold with the cut outs for the antler plate AND with the pedicals. With the cut outs you'd have to mount the plate and then blend in with apoxie sculpt or something similar and then try to reproduce the skull texture and then paint. With the pedical one I guess attaching the antlers w/ threaded rod or similar would be all that's needed. I guess my question is: Do they market the pedical ones for sheds or for ease of mounting? And why is it "nuts" to cut off antlers at the pedical if they intend on keeping them on the repro skull?
i am saying that unless it is velvet or a screwed up skull it would be nuts to cut the anlters off at the pedical or at the skull cap as the peace queen suggests, of a perfectly fine skull that you intend to do a euro mount on.just simmer in sodium bicarbonate clean w/ water, air, brush', whatever. now if its already been messed up, hell yes cut them, hell cut them into patterns if you so desire, BUT DO NOT CUT HARD SHELLED ANTLERS IN ANY FASHION OFF OF THE SKULL YOU ARE INTENDING ON CLEANING AND BLEACHING UNLESS IT IS ABSOLUTLEY NESSACARY-(i.e.velvet, too large, etc.)CLEAN OUT THE BRAIN FROM THE HOLE IN THE BACK OF THE SKULL-DO NOT CUT OFF THE SKULL CAP TO DO A REGULAR EUROPEAN MOUNT, ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEMSELVES FOR HOURS AND ARE SO DAMN DUMB THAT THE ONLY IDEAS THEY CAN COME UP WITH ADD UNNESSACARY WORK FOR THEMSELVES AND WOULD LITTERALY MAKE MAKE A CITY GIRL LOOK AT THEM AND SAY "WHAT THE HELL DID YOU CUT THE DAMN HORNS OFF FOR, ARE YOU STUPID!" good luck, those repro skulls look pretty damn good!
The reason i asked about these repros w/ pedicles is because i have a customer that wants antler plaque mounts converted to a few skull mounts--thats why I'm curious about the pedicle repros vs. the skull plate cut-out repros. Just seems easier cutting the antlers and attaching to the pedicle repro rather than attaching the skull plate and trying to blend in the apoxie sculpt.
i agree 100% . good luck on them hope they turn out great!
that a pest is gone..oopps, he comes alive again. Pathetic, really sad. Your insults need some work Twig Boy.
well arent we an itsy, bitsy, bitchy this morning! its alright though i love it when you talk dirty to me!
I'm just trying to get down to your level. I bet you wish I was talking dirty to you, you sick bastard! Obviously you do because you keep comming back to this discussion. Now shew, someone else might have some helpful information. Don't go away mad...just go away.
I'm tired of people just flat being rude and trying to start a argument here. It's ridiculous. Micheal P, Steve asked a legit question and you started trouble. Then he asked you to step out of the discussion a couple of times and you're still popping in. What's your problem? You probably are gay, definetly are a "Little Bitch", and it's apparent that you're trying to make up for something. What's a matter, did your mama not nurse you when you were a baby? Do us all a favor, if you can't contribute helpful information, STAY OUT!
QUIT BEING A LITTLE BITCH AND GO AWAY!