Have a question about using retarder

Submitted by Kevin on 6/18/01. ( )

I'm working on my third fish and I appear to have been mistaken on the issue of retarder. I'm using all Lifetone lacquer paints and thus far the only thing I've used as a "retarder" is lacquer thinner. Without sounding like a complete idiot, is there something else I should use? If so, can I buy it over-the-counter at a paint store or do I have to spend more time and money to order it from a supply house? I'm up against it time-wise (I'm entering this current fish in the county fair in the arts & crafts division) so any advice would be appreciated. Thank you.

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This response submitted by Cur on 6/18/01. ( WILDART@prodigy.net )

The only retarder I am aware of for acrylic lacquers is fish oil, or some other slow drying emmolient or additive. Retarders are used in water based acrylics, and often need to be. If there is a patent retarder for the paint you are using it has to be vendor supplied. There are possibly some retarders available, just because I am not familar with it doesn't mean one doesn't exist. Your paint sould come with listing of thinning and additive agent suggestions. I have never used the life-tone paints, but I checked in my supply catalogs and none show a patent retarder for them. Lacquer based acrylic paint like the life-tone brand are intended to dry fast. Why would you wish to retard that process?


This response submitted by Frank Kotula on 6/18/01. ( basswtrout@aol.com )

In laquer base paints there is no real retarder but there is different types of laquer thinner that may help you out here. If you check your local paint or automotive store you can find different drying type laquers. Get one that is medium drying. You can also add actone to thin your paint better. What actone does is break up the molecules so that they are smaller and it will flow better in your gun.

Concur with Frank.....

This response submitted by Bill Gaither on 6/18/01. ( WILDART@prodigy.net )

Re: Color colloidials, Cur constanly concurs collusively Cotula...er, ah Frank...

I think you are alittle

This response submitted by Al on 6/18/01. ( easteden111@webtv.net )

confused.. Kevin, Laquer thinner will speed up drying time... A retarder is for slowing down drying time. Life tone DOES make retarder for their laquer painting system. If you can not find it call them directly. I will use some when Iam painting small spots or doing real fine detail that needs to be crisp. Some times ,depending on the weather, the paint with dry a soon as it hits the tip of my airbrush. It can be real frustrating... retarder will help in this type of problem. Also remember that Lifetone paints come premixed and precut,there is no need to mix thinner with them.I paint 300 to 400 fish a year and may only need retarder on 5 or 6 of them. If you are adding thinner you are really making it worse. I would highly recommend getting a copy of the Breakthrough
book by Tom Sexton. In the front he goes through alot of the procedures of mixing and such when it comes to paint. Check it out in WASCO's catalog. Beat of luck to you.....

Lifetone Retarder

This response submitted by Greg on 6/18/01. ( groverglad@juno.com )


As Al said, Lifetone does have a lacquer retarder. It has proven to be a good product for me. I get mine through Research Mannikins.

Hide and Beak

This response submitted by Old Fart on 6/19/01. ( )

I use the Lifetone retarder when doing fine detail painting instead of thinner. I get mine from Hide and Beak, but any Lifetone dealer should have it.

Just to add to the confusion

This response submitted by Tony Finazzo on 6/19/01. ( finazducks@aol.com )

This is in responce to Bill G as to why use retarder in laquer paint. One use for retarder would be painting spots on a fish like a trout. Without retarder you can get a few spots and the paint builds up on the tip, than it spatters. Retarder gives you more spots before tip cleaning. also any spraying that requires close up crisp lines is easier with a little retarder mixed in. There are retarders for lifetone and poly transpar laquers. Nice to see you back Bill. Are you sure you didn't say you were going away to see if anyone loves you. I'm going to Argentina this weak. Does anyone love Me.

Tony......have a good trip

This response submitted by Bill Gaither on 6/21/01. ( WILDART@prodigy.net )

Well, Tony, I ain't telling no man I haven't shared a tent with that I love him......I do like you though.

The catalogs I have didn't list the retarder. When I paint those little bitty spots, I use two solutions. One is to paint a few and then blow out the tip with thinner and start over, or I mix a different paint with mineral spirits to slow down the drying action. Everything I paint is a study in mixed media. Over the years, I have concluded that a wide range of paints and mediums achieve better end effects, than does trying to modify one type of paint to do it all.

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