Low on Protex

Submitted by Kristi on 4/20/05 at 11:26 AM. ( ) 144.9.158.105

What does the Protex do in the fish pickle? I use 5 gal water, 5 oz protex, 5 oz salt, 5 oz borax, and 2 oz basacryl in my fish pickle bath.

I'm a few ounces short on protex right now. Can I just leave the fish in the pickle longer? Or will this cause problems?

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Kristi

This response submitted by George on 4/20/05 at 1:26 PM. ( georoof@aol.com ) 205.188.116.201

Where on earth did you come up with such a godawful concoction as that. Bacteriacides in a fish pickle? And basacryl has been discontinued. I'd suggest you start using what the rest of us do. a 50/50 mix of methanol or denatured alcohol works great. I add a pound of DP to mine for grins and giggles, but that's all you need. If you use methanol, a fish can stay in there for months. If you use denatured alcohol, I wouldn't let it set more than overnight.


From this website!

This response submitted by Kristi on 4/20/05 at 2:29 PM. ( ) 144.9.158.106

I did a lot of reading on this website, and that's the recipe that I found the most. It was close to the one that I was trained with. By the way, I just got the basacryl less than 3 weeks ago from Van Dykes (this is the first time I've used it)... but I have read recently that is was discontinued.

Where do I get the methanol? What is it? And where do you get large quantities of denatured alchohol?


confused...

This response submitted by Kristi on 4/20/05 at 3:41 PM. ( ) 144.9.158.105

You said..."If you use methanol, a fish can stay in there for months. If you use denatured alcohol, I wouldn't let it set more than overnight. "

So, when you mix it 50/50... how long do you let it soak?


OK, let me start over

This response submitted by George on 4/20/05 at 4:17 PM. ( ) 205.188.116.201

Methanol is methyl alcohol and you can buy it from WASCO. Denatured alcohol is ethyl alcohol that has been poisoned to prevent consumption. Either one in a 50/50 mixture of water will work quite well in preserving your fish skins. As I stated, I add DP to mine for that extra bug fighting ideal (though I have no idea if it really works or not). In methanol, a fish skin can stay for months and quite possibly, it could with denatured alcohol. I just prefer to put them in, after soaking in clear water for a couple hours, when I close the shop and take them out when I reopen it the next day. Remember, however, you can't use glue that reacts to DP. It will curdle like soured milk if you try. You must use a DP compatible paste.


Basacryl..........

This response submitted by Stirrer on 4/20/05 at 4:30 PM. ( ) 4.14.184.162

......is more of a "Stablizer" for Dyes in the clothing industries and such.Folks went round and round over this product being used as a Bactericide a few years ago on this Forums.Mark Danials was even asked to comment on this product, but never did. How the heck it ever got marketed as a Bacteriacide, we'll never know. I wish somebody would do something about this and sell it for what it really is.
Stirrer out


George

This response submitted by Kristi on 4/20/05 at 4:55 PM. ( ) 144.9.158.105

Thanks so much... you've helped me a lot. I'll go with that mixture instead. Forgive me for pestering you once more... How long would a 50/50 mixture of denatured alchohol & water last? How many fish can I run through that?

And, why do you soak in clean water first? Is this just to clean it up a little first?


I use it most of a season or until it gets filthy

This response submitted by George on 4/20/05 at 9:24 PM. ( georoof@aol.com ) 152.163.100.133

That's why I soak my fish in fresh water before I put them in the pickle. If you don't, a scum will form on the top quicker than normal. Simply skim it off, stir it and put your fish in. Now you MUST keep it covered or the alcohol will evaporate. I occasionally add a splash or two of fresh alcohol to the mix and I periodically check it for smell. DON'T just stick your head down in the bucket. Breathing denatured alcohol fumes causes severe headaches and other problems. Take your hands and waft the fumes off the bucket to your nose. If you can't smell it, add to it.


Whats wrong with just good 'ol Borax?

This response submitted by Paul B. Schaefer on 4/20/05 at 11:02 PM. ( paulbschaefer72@earthlink.net ) 63.185.33.254

Thats all I use and have had no problems. Should I be adding something else?


Paul,

This response submitted by George on 4/21/05 at 8:05 AM. ( georoof@aol.com ) 152.163.100.133

Nothing is "wrong" with borax, but it has it's limitations such as how much surface it actually reaches. I always hated having to pick borax "mud" out of the gills, and it tends to leave dark blotches on the skin where it failed to penetrate. Just try the method above once and you'll join the crowd who've given up just plain borax.


denatured alcohol

This response submitted by nate on 4/21/05 at 12:53 PM. ( ) 204.113.19.8

Thats all I use and I can leave a fish in for weeks with no problem and I use the same batch for a couple of months.


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