Since you said in a previous post, "Yea well Cecil some of us prefer not to "paint by numbers" and use our God given abilities," what'd say I send you a free competition quality Salmo trutta and you enter it at a show of your choice next year? I enter a similar brown trout or a brook trout at a comparable show of my choice, and we see who does better? If we can go to the same show that is centrally located for both of us that would be O.K. too.
What'd say? I'd prefer not to go to the world show though. I can't afford to spend that much money and after two or three days I'm ready to do home. NTA in Louisville sounds good though.
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instead I can send you good free perch although I would wait until early next spring for a good large perch.
I know you texans like to call sunfish perch.
Get him good!That a boy. Sounds like you aint takin no more poppin'off.I gotta put my money on cecil after all these fish are going to be the product of his breeding program.I'm expecting nothing short of awesome from tou cease!
..EGOS? LOL! This is certainly entertaining though. I guess you just reinforced my "insecure" comment on a previous post Cecil. Nothing wrong with that, we all are a bit insecure to a point and need to be stroked now and then.
Why not do the same specie? What the heck is a "salmo trutta" anyway? Sounds like a hitman from the Godfather movies! Why stop at fish competition? Who's got the bigger boat? The faster car? Who makes the most? Who's got the bigger "pond"? (Tip, "it's" BIGGER underwater btw - lol!) I can hear the beat of that chest pounding in Indiana all the way from Chicago here - lol! You guys are killing me. I haven't missed much that's for sure - lol!
I know you like to find excuses not to compete so stay out of this. LOL
Actually this reinforces my contention about the oneupmanship and egos on this site and I did NOT start this one. Did I mention Dave by name? Did I say he painted by numbers etc?
Maybe we should do a crappie. I've been told he took his crappie off of the website after Doug made fun of it. HeHe
Once again you seem to want to call me out (two separate posts now) so here I am. You love to shoot off your mouth and, like always, don't have a clue what you're talking about. The crappie is on my website, always has been on my site.
Funny how both Doug and you like to criticize yet refuse to post pics of your recent fish (Yes I read your response earlier this week). I assume your fish are now better then what is posted on your website?
As to your propostion, you did the challenge thing some time back remember. We were to meet at the World show four years ago -- it was you thay challenged Paul B, JohnC and I? Be that as it may, since you bring it up, Texas is where I am, you pay my dues and my fees and I will be glad to compete against you. Tell ya what, I am feeling generous, pay my way, put me up and I'll come up to Indiana. Sorry, but I don't educate for free bud...
DaveT
I think you must've struck a nerve with Dave. Just let me know when you two put the gloves on. I wouldn't miss that for the world! Maybe Ken should rename this site to JerrySpringer.net?
My name is really Pecos Bill... from Texas.I can ride a cyclone, shuck a bass in 5 minutes, turn an airbrush into a weapon of mass destruction, and once "skun" a wolf with a sharp rock. Why, my Mom makes a better pie, and my old man can kick the crap out of your old man. And furthermore...
Dennis, since my father passed away in 1976 you might have a chance.
Funny how Cecil can run his mouth and make a post like this one and when someone responds you girly guys run to his defense. Competing against Cecil has absolutely no value to me, in fact it would be a colossal waste of time.
DaveT
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Submitted by RD Carlson on 6/16/06 at 11:19 AM
I invite you all to take a trip back in time to the above thread to see what I actually said about fish done by the above two fellows...eh? I think almost all of us are hyper-sensitive to anything resembling criticism of our work. It's like there are always smoldering embers here just waiting for someone to pitch on some gasoline. I apologized once and meant it. Some people beat dead horses but it takes a real a$$hole to bet on them as well.
From what I read, the paint by numbers comment is what got Cecil on the defensive. Assuming of course this doesn't go back farther from another post? Like maybe 5 YEARS?!?!? LOL!
I also "defended" YOU in that I thought the competition comment by Cecil was a bit silly. If you check the archives, other than fish work, Cecil and I rarely agree on ANYTHING! That's why I rarely get in these debates anymore because you're right, it is a colossal waste of time. But, I need a break and I have some time to waste - so let the games begin!
If I were judging - with all my vast experience as a judge, I would say this. Split decision. Head to head, all species, 1)Anatomical correctness, too close to call with the pics I've seen. 2)Paint jobs, one of you consistently produces more realistic paint jobs. 3)Artistic Presentation, that same person also wins. Who that person is, I'll never tell (hee-hee-hee) LOL! :)
Playing on the computer may be a bigger waste of time than defending your honor.You have been challenged!I think however you should get to pick the specie of fish an the show.Cowboy Up,and drag Cecil's butt to Reno and whip him like a schoolboy!
I bowed out of that one because I was still putting in ponds and couldn't justify the expense. However the ponds are now in and I can swing it.
The offer still stands. I think you'll find you've severely underestimated me especially considering very few of competition fish are on my site. But hey that's fine. I kind of like poker bluffs.
But I'm not spending big bucks to attend a 4 or 5 day World show and I sure won't go all the ay to Reno. Louisville NTA sounds good to me or like I said you go to a state show and I go to one and we see who does better. But wait have you ever competed?
Waiting...
You really think you can take this dave character,don't you?How much more would Reno cost than Louisville? Maybe we could start a fund.I would so much like to see you guys step up.I think if you show up with four pound yellar pirch you could take a world title home and that little state record incedent could be forgotten.
I'm starting to like you. You have a sense of humor.
Can I take him in fish competition? Yes I do and I just wish he'd put up or shut up. Telling me I "Paint by numbers" and he is has a monopoly on "God given talent" just because I said he maintains can cast heads cheaper than buying them really got under my skin.
No I'm not flying to Reno.
The really sad part is I've sent Dave business and I've complemented him on his site and work. Why he has to have a cow is beyond me.
As I pointed out in the other post when you said I only get $4.50 per inch for my wholesale fish I have no idea where you got that from. Try $8.00 per inch. I wasn't even that low when I started out 24 years ago!
Now I've got it figured out why you have a burr up your butt. You're afraid I'm taking business away from you. Sad.
I may have ended uP in the middle of all this. I will say this though...you all can think what you want about your work or mine for that matter but, one thing is for sure...I AM THE MOST HANDSOME GUY ON THIS SITE! LOL!
Knowing both these guys, Ill be willing to bet if they DID do this, itd be two very nice fish (provided Cecil covers the numbers up well, lol). Ill bet that Cecil doesnt do it though, hed rather be a burr under Daves saddle instead. Oh and Marty? Shame on you! Even a non-fish guy like me knows thats a brown trout!
Cecil for someone who slings crap around this site you get wound up when you get a little tossed your way. When you going to drop the "Christian card"? Is that next. Poor Poor cecil the big mean Davey is being MEAN.
I know you "think" you can beat me in fish, so what, you thought Al Gore was going to win also. Yes I have competed a few times so what?
Last Cecil, no I really don't worry about you being able to take customer, LOL. I doubt you would even know any of my clients, they are all republicans with a brain.
Marty - I know, post was not aimed at you but Dennis :-)
DaveT
All blow and no show. No skin off my back.
I like how you change to religion and politics which has nothing to do with this.
BTW I have one of your past customers now in Pa. He thinks my fish are "awesome" and says he will be using me from now on. And he apparently cares more about the quality than political affilation. Your political comments are ridiculous btw. You can't be serious.
Would you like an email hanky?
nothing to see hear.Looks like a lot of posturing.I don't even see dave getting close enough to get slapped.I'm outta here,word is theres a couple of bird guys sratchin' an pullin' hair on another site.I certainly can't promote a "duel in the desert" if nobody shows up.
At least I have the balls to print my last name. You said it right by chance or error. Put fifty in a room, and you might have the crude beginnings of a so-called "brain."
Cecil, time permitting I will be at Reno and I will bring a fish along with a whitetail so come on. Well let the chips fall where they fall. If I win does that mean I can have your "Master taxidermist" title? You no doubt will have the money now that you are "stealing" all my PA customers LOL.
Dennis, glad you have "the balls" to "print" your last name. Too bad you dont have "the brains" to click the search button as I am sure you could have figured out the missing last name? By the way, that must be some trick, I thought you typed your last name? Oh well, I guess you liberals really are "smarter then the average Bear" after all.
DaveT
You'll be at Reno because you know I won't be there.
Get that brook trout done yet I sent to you three years ago? Just can't get the hang of doing a good brook trout eh?
P.S. Btw Dennis, I never print my last name either. Not because I don't have the guts, I just don't have a very pleasant last name - lol! Seriously, you can always know it's me because I always sign my name with a lower case "m". And the typical sarcastic, witty comments are another dead give away - lol!)
You guys remind me of two guys in a bar - each with several friends to "hold them back". I have a possible resolution. Assuming you don't need to carry any baby bottles with liquids in them, why not wait until air fares are reasonably priced and you both can fly into Chicago and stay at my place for free and we can let the games begin. I have plenty of accomodations and room.
Dave, I have a Futon in the basement that you can sleep on and my dog can keep you company. (Remind me to switch her food before you come though, she has had some bad gas lately).
Cecil, you can stay with my Liberal neighbor with all the cats. I know how you LOVE cats!
Breakfast will consist of expired milk and whatever cereal the kids don't like and haven't eaten.
Then, we can start the competition. Each will be responsible for bringing 3 different fish. A "Salmon Ruske" as Cecil mentioned (otherwise known as a Brown Trout - thanks Bill!). A warmwater specie TBD. And lastly a fresh fish from your area (for dinner that night.)
We'll sorta have an "ethnic night" fro dinner. Each of you will prepare a meal with your fish that is representative of your state. Dave's meal will be BIG as everything from Texas is BIG. And, it will probably be spicy as all hell to the point your tongue is ready to fall off. (We all know how Texans like their chili and spicy foods!) Cecil, representing Indiana will probably offer up his state record perch for dinner - after he attempts (and fails) to certify it in Illinois here as another State record. Of course it will be deep-fried and fattening as hell. We all know how Hoosier's like their greasy food!
But, I'm getting ahead of myself here.
After the first competion with the coldwater species (salmon rushkes/brown trout), we will break for lunch. Lunch will either be our infamous macaroni and cheese (we like the wheels vs. the traditional shape here in Illinois), or a trip to McDonald's depending on time contraints. (The Mac and Cheese meal is labor-intensive). I will drive to Mac's though as Indiana drivers - drive too slow and you Texans drive like you're racing to the hospital all the time!
After lunch we move onto the warmwater species. Trophies will be awarded for the first THREE placers. (I have some leftover trophies some kids never picked up from last soccer season).
After this, we of course move onto dinner.
After dinner and some pleasant conversation with the recommended topics of religion, abortion and the impact of global warming - we can then move back downstairs to the wrestling mats. Where you two can either wrestle or put the gloves on and I can hold one of you's back while my wife holds Cecil (back - no comments from the peanut gallery here Cecil)- lol!
At this point the competition has concluded and you both are now on your own getting back to the airport. You need to experience Chicago. The traffic, the smells, the litter, the gangbangers! (It IS a beautiful city though!) And what better way to experience this than to take a limo, taxi or hitch a ride back to O'hare? (Yes, IF you read the fine print, this WAS in your brochure!)
So anytime you guys are up for it, I can supply the 5 star accomodations. Finances are no longer an excuse (I'm sure the Limo/taxi bill isn't THAT much, right?) So no more excuses. Should we pencil in a date?
Thanks for your witty perspective. The timing was excellent.
Thanks for the laugh marty! I wish it was even a bit longer though as now I gotta go to work.
I sure am glad we are friends and our competition is in fun! I just want to know if I have to have a vendor's license to sell beer and peanuts at the fight if you both show up at the same competition! After seeing the brookie you put in the last show, my money is on you.
It's guys like you that make this planet worth living on.I thought this thing was fizzling out an you went an raised the stakes.Just one problem, how are you going to accomadate the sixty or eighty thousand fans that are going to want ringside seats?I'm not saying we would be as roudy as soccer houligans 'but were not your typical Kentucky Derby crowd either.Have you got room to pitch a few thousand tents in the back yard?If not ,I would have to say the "Showdown in Chi-town" could be a promoters nightmare. I for one am willin to put up some prize money if this thing comes to Reno.Let's saaaaay 100.00 dollars for the winner.Maybe some of you other guys woul be willing to help sweeten the pot,so to speak.Look at it as pay per view."BROWN TRUTTA WITH BAD INTENTIONS".or "PEARCH WITH A VENGEANCE".You get the idea.
LOL! I think my wife would beg to differ! Although I DO make it worth living for myself. (Now that's DEEP eh?)
Seating would be an issue. But the pay-per-view thing would work. Then we could also make grainy videos with crappy sound quality that we could sell later through WASCO. (Gotta get that plug in for Ken - lol!)
Actually, the more I think of it. I CAN accomodate 80,000+ people. All I need to get the ball rolling would be a list of people interested. If I get enough that show interest, I'll start printing up tickets. Accomodations (other than the meals) would be each individuals responsibility. There's plenty of hotels in the area and the riverboats are all over the place too if anybody likes to give away their money. Tickets, including the aforementioned meals would ONLY be $5.00 per person (+ $95.00 S&H). And if you order before midnight tonight, I'll wave the actual ticket price! Supplies are severely limited so we ask that a maximum of 40 tickets per person be sold. I'll need a confirmation of the overall numbers soon, so ticket sales will only be available through the month of September. I'm estimating the planned event will take place sometime in December as that will give me time to clean the house. (And also sell it and get the heck out of Dodge with all your money before everybody shows up!)
Just got a phone call from one of the casinos. They're interested too! They are interested in taking bets on the outcome and I'll be posting/updating the odds on our local church's website daily between now and December (or until I move - whichever comes first!). Again, you can mail me the checks (or cash) directly. I'll ensure the money gets to the casinos. (Don't quote me on this, but I believe since I'll be posting the odds on our church's website that your loss should be tax deductible. Please consult your CPA to see if you qualify for this deduction). Also, a portion of this money will be going to a good cause. The casinos have graciously stated that for every dollar they make off of this bet that they will donate a portion to our local school systems (Where the Lottery Ticket money is SUPPOSE to go). Preliminary numbers are somewhere between 1/1,000,000 and 1/10,000,000th of a cent will be contributed for each dollar rec'd!
So, make your reservations early and make them often. (Much like the voting philosophy in Chicago). Supplies are limited. Now I gotta get to work!
Too funny. Chicago's my wife's favorite place to shop and we're an hour and a half away so it's an easy decision to go and come back the same day. You put the "Ultimate Fish Fighting Championship" on and I'm there. I could use a good tax deduction. lol. We could hit a couple spots (ESPN zone for a cold one, Bubba Gumps for a quick snack) and then on to the competition. Let the games begin!
You probably get downtown more that I do Brian. You could be our tour guide then!
I'm in one of the Chicago burbs, about 40 miles SW of downtown. After many, many years of fighting the traffic, I no longer enjoy getting downtown. It gets worse and worse everyday. In fact, all the Statewide political bigwigs recently met with some of the Federal head honcho's to discuss getting funds to relieve the congestion. Ironically, the head Federal dude was 55 minutes late due to the traffic - lol!
My neighbor went downtown recently to take her kid to a Bon Jovi/Nickelback concert. It took her 4 HOURS to go one way. Missed all of Nickelback AND almost ran out of gas!
No more commuting for me with taxidermy now. It's a beautiful thing. Once out of the corporate world I instantly gained 15+ hours a week I was spending in commuting. And that was 10 years ago. Things are far worse now. I'll take my poverty-level taxidermy paycheck anyday over that crap!
I know you recall...isnt this post just like we said? Hahaha, and by the way, I have no idea why Dennis is on your azz, we all know who you are, its been DaveT for a long time now, in Montana, and in Texas. When was the last time Cecil signed HIS last name, for example? You KNOW a conversation in heading to the tank when you get someone bragging about "getting your customers". Whats next, is the teacher going to make us stay after for the late bus? Hahaha, remember that advice, Dave...it still applies.
...was your comments in a previous post to Cecil about how much you make and how his fish were crappy.In truth, I guess I don't know who you are, just as you don't know s%^$^ about my business savvy. Oddly enough, most of my customers are from out of state as well, and I live in a great state for fishing. I don't know Cecil personally either, but salmming him just was not necessary.
...was your comments in a previous post to Cecil about how much you make and how his fish were crappy.In truth, I guess I don't know who you are, just as you don't know s%^$^ about my business savvy. Oddly enough, most of my customers are from out of state as well, and I live in a great state for fishing. I don't know Cecil personally either, but slamming him just was not necessary.
Cecil and I have a history... if you go back and read that post you will see a simple question was asked and cecil felt the need to open his trap. So I fire back.
Yox you are right of course but every once in a while I just feel the need to come in here and hold Cecil accountable for his mouth.
DaveT
These comments must seem out of line to you, but theyre in context, when you know the background. Theres many in here who see these exchanges with us, that cant figure out how or why we would then turn around and actually defend Cecil in another topic. Its just that Cecil is a weinie at the same time as that we know him and admire his work, too.
I thought you were above your comments. Coming into an argument and turning the blade is a low as it gets. I used to think you had integrity. I guess I was wrong.
However what I said about the customer was true. His name is Dave Skinner and he's in PA. Ring a bell Dave? He's says I will get all his business from now on.
LOL - yea I am sending Dave Skinner two fish tomorrow Cecil.
What you don't know Cecil is that I quit taking in wholesale fish in Jan 06 as I am too busy to mess with it anymore... and now you know the rest of the story.
Cecil it is sad that your self esteem is so low you have to try to convince everyone else how great you are. I am now going to end this post as I have deleted it four or five times now. Cecil my nature makes me want to attack you but you know what? YOU ARE NOT WORTH IT and I am not coming down to your level EVER again. I wish you well.
DaveT
Ding Ding Mr. Baird you've got the Daily Double!