Heres My Problem

Submitted by Mike on 1/3/01. ( ) 165.154.226.75

First Of all , and Ken take note please,
THERE ARE SEVERAL MIKES HERE POSTING MESSAGES!
Secondly, I post a message regarding The World Show and pets.
They may not have been popular posts but they were my opinion. Some
name calling occured which I regret, but guess what happened
folks?
I GOT BANNED FROm THESE FORUMS!
Thats right, i was banned for breaking the rules, did Bill Yox get banned too? Of course not! He's buds with Ken!
Did JB? Not a chance!
Censorship at its worst folks.
This is bad.
I even stayed off the forums until now because Ken had banned me
but of course he can't ever keep me off, I just come in the back door.
Its hard to stand by and get insulted and not be able to defend yourself so here is my message.
And...
you Americans don't like what I said about the "world" show?
Too Bad!
Its the truth and the truth hurts.
Censorship.
And I see Bill continues with his crap.
Just remember this, a lot more people support my views about the 'World Show than you think. ALOT MORE!
And YES, the WORLD SERIES should change its name!

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?

This response submitted by * on 1/3/01. ( ) 152.163.188.198

Doe's your Mother know you're on the computer again?


Banned from the Forums

This response submitted by Ken Edwards on 1/3/01. ( ken@taxidermy.net ) 207.69.36.9

Mike,

As you know, your "Pets" and "World Show" postings were not the reason you were banned from the Forums. I did not wish to make this into a public discussion, but I see that you will not give it a rest.

I had two choices when I saw your message this morning, I could simply delete it or respond to it. I'm sure if I had deleted it, you would have continued to re-post the message, so you have forced me to respond to you publicly (reluctantly, I might add).

I have already shared all of this information with you in private email correspondence, but here it is for all Forum readers to see. I do not want anyone thinking that I have censored you or banned you because I disagreed with you, or because Bill or JB are my "buds". You were banned from the Forums because of a pattern of willful and consistent rules violation over a period of months in hundreds of messages.

Here are the most common rules violations from the "Frequently Asked Questions" at the top of evey screen on the Forums:

The most common reasons messages are removed from the Forums are:

1. Duplicate messages. Duplicate messages with the same information will be removed. If we allowed repeat postings, the forums would quickly fill up with nothing but repeat postings, diminishing their value to everyone.

2. Anonymous mean-spirited messages. Unsubstantiated accusations from anonymous sources will not be allowed.

3. Foul language or coarse subjects. This website is used by young people as well as adults, so all submitted material should be apropriate for all ages.

4. A public fight or feud between two parties. Just like a bartender would tell you, take your fight somewhere else.

5. A pattern of rules violation. If a contributor willfully and consistently breaks the rules of the Forums over a period of time, their messages will no longer be welcome.

6. Message Posted in the Wrong Category. "For Sale" or "Wanted" messages placed in the taxidermy discussion categories (i.e. "Birds" or "Gameheads") will be removed due to space limitations.

You violated rules 2, 3, 4 and 5 on dozens of occasions. I spent more time removing your innapropriate posts than anyone else. You have contributed anonymous mean-spirited posts as Mike", "Rusty", "Satan", "Wayne", "T", "Dave", "Frank", "Ted", "Zed" and "James". Your venomous, argumentative and vulgar messages were at the heart of almost ALL the turmoil on the Forums this year. I think most regular Forum readers will be amazed when they read the selections below and see how many arguments and bad feeling that your posts generated.

Below is a sample of some of your recent contributions as an illustration of why you have been denied access the Forums. This will also serve as a final reminder of why you will not be missed.


Try this

This response submitted by Rusty on 12/12/00. ( ) 216.154.49.129

I usually just sneak in the back, there are some good taxidermist
running those shows but they are stupid as hell.


The Fox

This response submitted by Rusty on 12/12/00. ( ) 216.154.49.129

The Fox went out on a date one night,
and he [expletive deleted] and he [expletive deleted]
and he [expletive deleted] and he [expletive deleted]
and he [expletive deleted] and he [expletive deleted]
and he [expletive deleted] and he [expletive deleted]
and it must be a mighty fine day-ooooo
day-ooooo day-ooooo
it must be a mighty fine day-oooo!


George

This response submitted by T on 12/19/00. ( ) 216.154.46.99

George,
[expletive deleted]!


Hes not witty

This response submitted by Rusty on 12/19/00. ( ) 216.154.46.99

hes serious,
Dave is one of the dumbest [expletive deleted] s ever to walk the face of the earth!


Of course

This response submitted by T on 12/19/00. ( ) 216.154.46.99

If they won't let you enter it then its a [expletive deleted] show full
of HYPOCRITES.


Hey Chuck

This response submitted by Mike on 11/13/00. ( ) 216.154.50.35

You did compare Gore to Hitler you dumbass.
Now bend over and get ready to SQEEEEEEEEEEEL like a pig!
'Cause Gores gonna give it to you !


JeffB.

This response submitted by Rusty on 11/17/00. ( ) 216.154.46.83

Jeff B. you are the idiot
and may SATAN bless you.


not jeff brain!

This response submitted by Mike on 11/17/00. ( ) 216.154.31.89

I don't believe that is jeff brain, he hates god.
but if it is he has a lot of nerve making fun of someone elses
name!
right jeff braindead!?


Chuckie

This response submitted by Mike on 11/19/00. ( ) 216.154.50.192

Such nasty remarks toward your great allie to the North.
The fact is that many people up here are fighting it.
There are numerous lawsuits against the government regarding
the new gun laws pending so its not over yet!
And do you really think people are going to register their firearms?
yeah right!
So as the 2 great Canadians Terence and Philip once said, "shut you're
[expletive deleted] face!"


Up Chuck

This response submitted by Mike on 11/20/00. ( ) 216.154.46.161

You are an idiot Charles, I admit our exchange is on the childish side
but you are a willing participant! Can't you admit to being childish?
Youre too much of a coward.
As for boxers... all your great boxers are black and they originated
from your slave days from Africa not from jolly old England like most of you. And besides, what the hell does boxing have to do
with a good old fashioned donnybrook?
You just went back and forth with me making stupid comments and then
you accuse me and only me of being 'stupid'?
I knew this was stupid a long time ago but I chose to have some fun with you.
No other forum produces such responses as this one.
I guess its the mentality of taxidermists in general.
I bet you're sitting on your porch strumming your banjo as we speak!
Sqeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllll!!


And up Chuck

This response submitted by Mike on 11/20/00. ( ) 216.154.46.161

Dont try to mention Rocky Marciano, the only reason he was a
champion was because the racist fight promoters wouldnt allow
any GOOD black fighters at him, otherwise he would have gotten his
ass kicked!


Tastes better too

This response submitted by Mike on 11/14/00. ( ) 216.154.45.105

Pickled hides just plain taste better.


Bondage

This response submitted by Rusty on 11/15/00. ( ) 216.154.31.168

Whats wrong with bondage?
I think its fun.


Political forum?

This response submitted by Rusty on 11/23/00. ( ) 216.154.37.52

Find a political forum?
This is a post relating to the taxidermy industry and the election
will definately have an outcome on this industry you idiot.
Why don't you get an education you stupid schmuck.
Does the Bishop Clark College not teach you anything?
Or are you actually a teacher there?
I pity the poor students if you are.
Loser.


Bill

This response submitted by Rusty on 11/24/00. ( ) 216.154.34.170

Here are some more politics for you; if you don't like the way I express
myself to f'in bad!
Ever hear of democracy?
It means I can express my opinions and if you don't like it YOU can
go somewhere else to play. I've seen you use questionable language on
these forums before. Are you the only one allowed to do that bigshot?
It seems that you expect everyone to 'play' by YOUR rules and of course
bend them for yourself as YOU see fit. Then you expect everyone to
speak in a matter that YOU approve of.
It's not going to happen JERK.


Bill

This response submitted by Rusty Carr on 11/26/00. ( ) 216.154.28.100

I don't post my email address because I really don't feel like
getting mail from guys like you. (where is your email address?)
As for not posting my last name... well, its self explanatory and now
I've given you something else to poke fun at.
I think you should read those postings over again because you did
jump in when it was none of your concern so you should expect to
get some back.
As for mothers, mine is dead.
I had a lot of respect for her and would never trivialize her
or anyones elses mother by saying such things.
Have a nice day Bill.


Bill Yox

This response submitted by Mike on 11/21/00. ( ) 216.154.46.60

[Expletive Deleted].


George

This response submitted by SATAN on 12/5/00. ( satan@hellsfires.com ) 216.154.50.208

George,
Thanks for sticking up for me in your round-about-way.
I'm keeping your spot warm!


Linda and Leanne

This response submitted by SATAN on 12/8/00. ( satan@hellsfires.com ) 216.154.50.44

OH my GOD ! (pardon the pun)
I don't believe it,
Linda and Leanne,
we have too much in common...
I'M CATHOLIC TOO !


Marshmellows

This response submitted by Wayne on 12/11/00. ( ) 216.154.37.173

George you are horrible.
Make sure your relatives put a box of marshmellows in your casket,
they'll come in handy where youre going.


Becky

This response submitted by Mike on 12/19/00. ( ) 216.154.46.4

You are a hypocrite!
An animal is an animal and some people have their pets done
because they loved them and would be insulted by your hypocritical comment!
Either youre a taxidermist or youre not, which is it?


Leanne

This response submitted by Mike on 12/21/00. ( ) 216.154.46.179

You are right about some things in your last post in regards to my
comments about George.
But as far as 'hiding' in my cyberspace room?
Don't bet to much cash because if you think I would keep
my mouth shut in person you are dead wrong.
I apoligize to George for my comments.

Now as far as pets go, I truly believe the world shows rules are very
wrong in regards to pets. They are truly hypocritical and should be
changed.


John

This response submitted by Mike on 12/24/00. ( ) 216.154.46.237

Thank you John for clearing that up!
There are quite a few wild cats in my barn (and I do mean wild!)
They look just like regular housecats buts thats ok, as long as they
are WILD, right?
I'll be shooting myself one and I'll see you at the WORLD TAXIDERMY
WILDLIFE CHAMPIONSHIPS.
Take care.


Bill

This response submitted by Mike on 12/26/00. ( ) 216.154.46.186

And when you dont have an intelligent answer you always resort
to retarded comments.
You lost this one.


The World?

This response submitted by Mike on 12/27/00. ( ) 216.154.46.244

Define 'man-made species' you mental midget.

And its not me against the 'World'.
Its me against the U.S.A., because, like many so called 'World
Championships' that the U.S. makes up,
you forgot to invite the rest of the World.
Try holding your so called 'World' championships somewhere other
than the U.S.


Europe

This response submitted by Mike on 12/27/00. ( ) 216.154.46.244

Try holding it in Europe where there are real taxidermists,
(unlike the snap-together type that make up 95% of taxidermists
here).
Or are you afraid of getting your asses kicked?
Because you will.


Great Story!

This response submitted by Mike on 12/24/00. ( ) 216.154.46.74

Gee, I wonder if the anti's would like to hear that one?
Mount that head up for the world show, they'll accept it with open arms!


No offence...

This response submitted by Mike on 12/27/00. ( ) 216.154.46.121

... but your comment 'oh rats' got me wondering...
are rats allowed in the 'World' Wildlife Taxidermy Championships?
Some definately are 'wild' however, lots of people keep them as pets
and they are so tame that they are used in many different types of lab experiments.
Are rats natural ? Or are they a 'man made species' like JB's cats?
Help me out JB!
I need a specimen for the 'World' show!
So far my cat and dog has been gonged,
and I ate my last chicken 2 weeks ago before I knew they
were exempt from the 'man made species' clause!
Please tell me I can enter my rat...?


Dear George

This response submitted by Frank on 10/14/00. ( ) 216.154.46.111


Who are you to talk about other peoples quality?
You are a no-talent old fart who has been in the business a long time and thats the ONLY reason you make any money at it.


Deeer Woman

This response submitted by Dave on 5/17/00. ( ) 216.154.44.107

You obviously know nothing about freezedrying and pets.
Zip it up.


george

This response submitted by dave on 9/9/00. ( ) 216.154.12.82

george is an asshole and i disregard any of the [expletive deleted] he posts here.


bill yox the coward

This response submitted by dave on 9/10/00. ( ) 216.154.3.22

if youre so brave post your address fat [expletive deleted]


Tired of

This response submitted by Dave on 9/12/00. ( ) 216.154.50.185

3) Bill Yox


I see them too.

This response submitted by Mike on 11/18/00. ( ) 216.154.31.89

I get them all the time too.
i 've had them with both a [expletive deleted] and a [expletive deleted]. Also does with no [expletive deleted]
but a button, and antlers.
Its very interesting, why can't it be more common in humans?


Bill

This response submitted by Mike on 11/18/00. ( ) 216.154.33.144

Can you type in the lisps with your next message so that other
readers can get an idea of how you really talk.
Thanks Bill!


What are you gonna do?

This response submitted by Mike on 11/19/00. ( ) 216.154.50.192

geth your big tuffth boyfriendths to beaths me up?


Deer

This response submitted by Dave on 12/11/00. ( ) 216.154.30.58

I get deer in every year that weigh over 400 pds at the hoof.
Their necks are around 32- 33 inches.
The biggest I ever had was a 503 pounder at the hoofs.
He was huge.
His neck was 39 1/2 inches.


Smoking

This response submitted by Ted on 12/16/00. ( ) 216.154.50.63

Smoking causes those tumors.


Haxidermist

This response submitted by Joe Shmoe on 3/12/00. ( ) 216.154.44.60

Hey guys, what about mounting turkeys on the kitchen table
between meals? Would that be ok?


mice

This response submitted by Dave on 3/30/00. ( ) 216.154.44.180

Don't forget about mice!
There is a very dangerous virus that mice sometimes carry.
It attacks your lungs and kills you within days.


Wife

This response submitted by Dave on 6/29/00. ( ) 216.154.50.197

I asked my wife about using my caulk on a fish and she
threatened to divorce me.


freezedry it

This response submitted by Dave on 8/30/00. ( ) 216.154.50.52

Freeze dry it and don't listen to the dopes that are against it.
They are against it because they don't have a machine.


Never say never

This response submitted by Ted on 8/23/00. ( ) 216.154.46.205

I bet if you try hard enough you could figure out a way.
(may take you 20 years though!)


Still here?

This response submitted by Mike on 6/4/00. ( ) 216.154.43.201

I'm surprised your message [complaining about WASCO Super Stripper] is still here and wasn't
'edited' out...


Nothing

This response submitted by Ted on 12/16/00. ( ) 216.154.50.63

I mounted my first fish over 25 years ago and I use nothing to
'tan' them.
They have held up just fine, as a matter of fact I have other fish
that I did 'tan' with mineral spirits and there is no difference between
those and the ones where I used nothing.
Just make sure you get all the meat out and flesh it completely
and you don't need a tan.
I think its just a scam, this fish tan stuff.


automotive

This response submitted by Mike on 11/13/00. ( ) 216.154.50.35

Use a good 3 part automotive clearcoat and don't waste your
time with that crap out of a spray can.


TO CHUCK M.

This response submitted by me me me on 3/26/00. ( ) 216.154.45.30

Are you an idiot or what?
You just accused a guy of sending messages when you have
zero proof!!
For YOUR information all the ip # shows is who the senders
service provider is.
It does not even come close to showing who the individual is.
If your provider is AOL then the IP# will be from AOL and you've
probably narrowed it down to a few million people!
You just slandered this Lance fellow.


heads

This response submitted by Mike on 4/14/00. ( ) 216.154.43.204

Oh yeah, nice looking gills.
Give me a break and learn how to skin out a musky head properly!
Who in thier right mind would want a plastic head on thier prized
catch? Especially one cast from a different specimen than thiers!
If you are going to use a fake head at least learn to cast so the customer
get a repro of his OWN fish.
Snap together taxidermy, anyone can do it. Its so phoney.
Won't be long before you can order any fish repro for $20
with the words 'made in china' stamped on the back.


Who are these people?

This response submitted by Dave on 8/13/00. ( ) 216.154.46.117

These guys do not make sense.
Take some spelling lessons before you write in again. Ok?
I can picture you sitting on your front porch, banjo at hand and
a lap top to send all these postings!


Me as well!

This response submitted by ZED on 11/14/00. ( ) 216.154.45.105

I have been dealing with those guys for over 6 years now and I'm out close to
$20,000 !


come on

This response submitted by Sasquatch on 5/28/00. ( ) 216.154.45.48

If it was signed 'Patrick Rummons'
or one of those guys you all would be laughing instead
attacking Joseph,
you bunch sniveling ass kissing losers.


What about the CTA?

This response submitted by Ted on 10/14/00. ( ) 216.154.46.170

Why dont you guys just join the CTA?
YUK! YUK! YUK!


I agree with the Aussie

This response submitted by Mike on 10/14/00. ( ) 216.154.46.26

You are right, there are to many mumblies practicinfg taxidermy.
They know how to mount something on a pre made form and thats it!
And they mostly come from the USA and Canada, where a few talented taxidermists have made it so that any mumblie can mount anything!
But god help them if the form doesnt fit!
Then they are FUBARED!


Read

This response submitted by James on 12/29/99. ( ) 216.154.45.5

John C.
Get your friend to read that message to you again.
No where does it say that you can't learn anything at a show.
It just says that they are a waste of money.


World show

This response submitted by Mike on 12/27/00. ( ) 216.154.45.5

Bill,
Just be sure to advise your taxidermist that it was a pet.
Otherwise he could end up at the 'World' show only to
be disqualified for not using a 'wild' specimen.
I hate when that happens.


...Plus Many, Many More

This response submitted by Ken Edwards on 1/3/01. ( ken@taxidermy.net ) 207.69.36.9

This is just a small sampling, there are many more examples, including lots of "beaver" mounting jokes, links to innapropriate sites, dozens of vulgar posts which have been removed, and posts attacking virtually every other contributor.

Mike, you are the virtual "Poster Child" of someone who should be banned from the Forums. If you get in through the "back door" and continue to create trouble, I will continue to remove your messages. I have only responded to this message so other contributors can gauge for themselves whether my "censorship" policy is unfair. If you think it is too unfair, please go and start your own taxidermy discussion bulletin board on another web site. There you can spew your venom and vugarity to your heart's content. But you are no longer welcome on this site.

Sincerely,
Ken Edwards
Taxidermy Net Forums Administrator


Hey!

This response submitted by Brandon on 1/3/01. ( ) 208.170.84.177

Rusty .Mike. Whatever your Going by now, I think you are acting stupid and like you are about three years old. I am thirteen and it's pretty bad for me to say something, But just find a new web site to "torture"!
And By the way most of the people on this forum (excluding you) are good people who don't deserve your crap, and If I was Ken I'd ban you from the forums to! I am behind Ken and the forums all of the Way.
-Brandon


Standing Ovation

This response submitted by Leanna on 1/3/01. ( scardeer@cornernet.com ) 209.98.65.65

You are doing wonderful Ken, I myself thankyou for getting rid of the canker that infested this great site. It really does get discouraging reading such filth and constant degrading insults to all my "buds" here on the forums, and what better way to portray to everyone what an abusive person this guy or gal is by how you handled it. You've always had the kindness to handle this kind of thing "discreetly" to alleviate any kind of embarassment to whoever made the mistake of verbal monstrosities on these forums, even if they didn't deserve the discretion...you go out of your WAY to save these peoples faces...I'm glad "Mike" pushed you too far and forced you to go public with his constant offense to ones sense of propriety. Because for everyone who hadn't figured out this guy earlier, will now.

Thankyou Mr. Edwards.


Great Job, Ken.

This response submitted by John C on 1/3/01. ( ) 208.44.115.86

You are doing a great job Ken, thanks for all you do for the taxidermy industry. JohnC


wow did this make the geekwatch part of my day

This response submitted by Bill Yox on 1/3/01. ( ) 152.163.188.198

You all know how it is, we go in here to either get or give some help, but we all kinda like an exchange now and then, too. I always figured based on the pattern that mike was more then just mike. I kinda enjoyed beating him up a bit, but always worried that it might reflect negatively on me. Then I thought, what the hell, its too much fun not to. Ken (my bud) you really out did yourself this time. I wish I had your sense of fairness. This has got to be one of the most useful posts in a long time. Not for taxidermy, but a lesson in respect for others, forum manners, and maybe even a little reality check. We all can get out of hand now and then. Will someone please print this for me to keep, I dont have a printer and its a riot. Have fun, everybody, and take a break once in awhile.


A job well done!

This response submitted by Danny on 1/3/01. ( ) 208.24.179.208

Ken,
That was one of the most graceful and tactful heave-ho's I've ever witnessed!


Please, Ken.......

This response submitted by Old Fart on 1/3/01. ( ) 208.230.170.66

I know that you won't do this, your ethics are unquestioned. Post Mike's
email address so that we can all thank him personally for his "contributions"
to this forum. Please.......


Wonderful Idea Old!

This response submitted by Leanna on 1/3/01. ( ) 209.98.65.59

"Mike"...you are probably crossing your fingers that Ken remains an ethical guy aren't ya? What? OH, yeah sorry Mike...ethical means " conforming to and practicing professionl and virtuous standards of conduct". Ken, I know I'd NEVER make it too long as forum administrator! !)


You get my RESPECT Ken

This response submitted by BobB on 1/3/01. ( foxranch@hotmail.com ) 216.165.140.106

Great job Ken, enough said.


Ken Edwards, You're ONE Class Act

This response submitted by George on 1/3/01. ( georoof@aol.com ) 205.188.208.169

And I'm glad you've finally isolated and removed the weasel from this great site. You did it with all the grace and ceremony of the fine gentleman that you are. Thanx.


"Admissions..."

This response submitted by House of regret on 1/3/01. ( Lorro1969@aol.com ) 64.12.96.134

Curiously Intrigued Hound of an Old Beaver That is Me (but not always Me mind you), would like to apologize for posting anonymously on occasion myself. I like the veil, I think it airs an of mystique. I do see it being misused also. USE - NOT ABUSE! I have been wondering about the fairness of the censorship issue myself.

Mike, your views are extreme. As one that is rather open, and extreme a bit myself, I can empathize to some degree. You have however, broken the Forum rules.

There is more than one Mike on the forums I'm sure. YOU had some ZINGERS, most weren't that bad to me, but some were. In using profanity, and personal attacks, you broke the rules. Ken has handled this fairly, and properly in my opinion. The problem is not usually, what you say, I feel, but more in knowing when to draw the line, and stopping YOURSELF from going over it. You know this in your heart.

I believe that Bill said nothing offensive in that "Pet's" exchange. Why should he be banned? I believe JB, in his last response, did. I still am shocked by some of the things that he said. That was extreme also. He has removed himself, no thanks to you either! However, I want both of you back in the forums. That may not happen, but that would be very fine with me. I have both lost, and gained some respect for both of you actually. I am sure the fact that I posted as hound is going to dishearten most further, and I will now lose respect too. My punishment is that I get to feel guilty for the rest of my life for starting this whole mess in the first place. I am truly saddened by this whole outcome, and am deeply sorry to all.

Ken, If Mike were to divulge his True Identity and e-mail address to everyone VOLUNTARILY... could/would you perhaps lessen the sentence to a suspension, as opposed to the outright banning?

My younger sister and I were at the mall once in NB. She saw a cute guy. She says "He is cute. I know he has pimples, but they look good on him. Do you know what I mean?" I had to agree. Not all acne looks good. The goal is to try to keep it under control, so you can make the best impression you can. Character counts more than looks do anyway. However, they do intertwine, and make the whole package.

Mike, my advice?... See your Dermatologist. Next... Ask permission from Ken, and if it is granted, come back and show us your new complexion.

Guilt is getting the best of me here. Here comes that well deserved Black Ball - Gotta go now... Sorry.............

Sincerely,

Lorrie

P.S. Thanks for "the Best of Mike", it's a keeper! ;-)


"Admissions..."

This response submitted by Lorrie is sad on 1/3/01. ( Lorro1969@aol.com ) 64.12.96.134

Curiously Intrigued Hound of an Old Beaver That is Me (but not always Me mind you), would like to apologize for posting anonymously on occasion myself. I like the veil, I think it airs an of mystique. I do see it being misused also. USE - NOT ABUSE! I have been wondering about the fairness of the censorship issue myself.

Mike, your views are extreme. As one that is rather open, and extreme a bit myself, I can empathize to some degree. You have however, broken the Forum rules. I do not profess to know if the posts should be left up or not. In a way, it is nice not to have to read them, but in a way, it shows a true account of what has transpired. That is too gray for me to decide.

There is more than one Mike on the forums I'm sure. YOU had some ZINGERS, most weren't that bad to me, but some were. In using profanity, and personal attacks, you broke the rules. Ken has handled this fairly, and properly in my opinion. The problem is not usually, what you say, I feel, but more in knowing when to draw the line, and stopping YOURSELF from going over it. You know this in your heart.

I believe that Bill said nothing offensive in that "Pet's" exchange. Why should he be banned? I believe JB, in his last response, did. I still am shocked by some of the things that he said. That was extreme also. He has removed himself, no thanks to you either! However, I want both of you back in the forums. That may not happen, but that would be very fine with me. I have both lost, and gained some respect for both of you actually. I am sure the fact that I posted as hound is going to dishearten most further, and I will now lose respect too. My punishment is that I get to feel guilty for the rest of my life for starting this whole mess in the first place. I am truly saddened by this whole outcome, and am deeply sorry to all.

Ken, If Mike were to divulge his True Identity and e-mail address to everyone VOLUNTARILY... could/would you perhaps lessen the sentence to a suspension, as opposed to the outright banning?

My younger sister and I were at the mall once in NB. She saw a cute guy. She says "He is cute. I know he has pimples, but they look good on him. Do you know what I mean?" I had to agree. Not all acne looks good. The goal is to try to keep it under control, so you can make the best impression you can. Character counts more than looks do anyway. However, they do intertwine, and make the whole package.

Mike, my advice?... See your Dermatologist. Next... Ask permission from Ken FIRST, and if it is granted, come back and show us your new complexion.

Guilt is getting the best of me here. Here comes that well deserved Black Ball - Gotta go now... Sorry.............

Sincerely,

Lorrie

P.S. Thanks for "the Best of Mike", it's a keeper! ;-)


This too...

This response submitted by Sincere on 1/3/01. ( Lorro1969@aol.com ) 64.12.96.134

See, I am Twice as sorry as I thought I was!

I want to add that, when I posted the original question, I was serious. I have a "controversial" mammal that was given to me by the grace of God. He is skinned and in the freezer. I am very low on funds, as I do not have a work visa at this time. I have NO income. I am living with my parents. I really want to go to the nearest competition which is in June. It made sense to me to use that. I knew everyone would have a different opinion, and was curious to hear them. I had no idea it would cause such a stir.

Mike, I just brought the topic up. Although you made some rather interesting points, you dug your own grave completely on your own.

Honestly, I too have wondered why and how "The World Series" got that name when there are no other countries invited. I guess I'm a crusader too! :-)

I thought it was only fair to accept responsibly.

I have been profoundly stirred by this exchange, both for the better, and the worse.

I am sorry. Whatever that is worth. Please forgive me. I did not wish for anyone to get upset. I was just a little tentative in leaving my name, for obvious reasons.

Sincerely again,

Lorrie from NB but in RI


What else

This response submitted by Frank Kotula on 1/3/01. ( basswtrout@aol.com ) 172.134.15.157

can be said. Way to go with your fairness. I know I have had a thread or two taken off and wondered why but I also contacted MR. KEN on this and he kindly explained why he did what he did. And in all fairness he was gracious in everything.

I also had Ken do some favors for me and a friend. He personally went out of his why to fix a problem. Something he did not have to do at all. So those of you who may personally feel Ken was wrong better think twice.

Thanks for all you have done in keeping this forum as respectfull as possible.


thanks Ken

This response submitted by Bill D on 1/3/01. ( dish2ndnat@aol.com ) 152.163.189.133

for finally putting an end to this mindless drivel. now we wont have to wade through this garbage . Bill, George, Dave , etc i have spoken to most of you regulars on here and exchanged ideas and gotten lots of free advice. thats what this is all about and your input has been appreciated. lets continue on. we are all kindred spirits because of this business of taxidermy we all love. thank-you everyone!


Atta Boy Ken!

This response submitted by marty on 1/3/01. ( ) 24.182.135.27

It's times like these that I realize that being a forum administrator is a lot more work than I can probably imagine. It's too bad that an occassional "bad apple" forces you to put in more time than you should have to. And, I should proabably thank WASCO for having this website as I can imagine your overhead was considerably high this month!


Lorrie, I have to ask

This response submitted by George on 1/3/01. ( georoof@aol.com ) 64.12.96.134

Though you said it twice, I keep asking myself, is she overdosing on baby aspirins? I'm old and senile, but English is still my favorite language and though you use it often, you seldom say anthing substantive. Why would ANYONE want this wastrel back. He's never offered anything constructive to the purpose the site was intended and has shown extreme antisocial and sociological tendancies of a mass murderer hiding behind anonymity. If he does as Ken suggested, he can open his own obnoxious site and you can join him any time you like.


Ken

This response submitted by Marc on 1/3/01. ( CapeFearTaxidrmy@aol.com ) 152.163.189.133

Many Thanks! Marc


thanks

This response submitted by dhigh on 1/3/01. ( ) 216.163.98.1

good job Ken.being new to the forum, it is good to see people helping to ban the "crap" that is being used on computers today.i dont know you , but would be proud to say i do. thank you .


?

This response submitted by Leanna on 1/4/01. ( ) 209.98.65.60

Is there a gnat in the room?


Lorrie

This response submitted by Leanna on 1/5/01. ( ) 209.98.65.66

No honey, YOU are not the gnat! The gnat was removed by that innovative forum administrator we all love and adore, and gosh, can you guess who the gnat WAS? It was the backdoor predator turned cannibalistic that initially posted this post! No names...sorry. I'm telling you this on the forums, in case anyone else was wondering who the "gnat" WAS! I'll explain more in my return email to you Lorrie. Talk about soap opera....no wonder I don't watch them.


Lorrie

This response submitted by Ken Edwards on 1/5/01. ( ken@taxidermy.net ) 209.86.79.92

Dear Lorrie,

Please, your apology is not necessary. The "gnat" comment was not directed at you, at was directed at a reply that "Mike" made, which I have since removed.

Do not trouble yourself with this issue. It is not your fault. I had been removing Mike's innapropriate posts for months, and I finally had enough!

Please do not feel that you are in any way responsible.

Sincerely,
Ken Edwards
Taxidermy Net Forums Administrator


Thank you Ken

This response submitted by Carl on 1/9/01. ( spinneyc@klis.com ) 216.129.17.19

Ken you have shown an amazing amout of reserve where this guy is concerned.

he should be thankful that you haven't reported him to his ISP for the
hateful conduct he has shown on here,They have rules too about what you can do
while operating through their networks. This should also show some people that
anonymity on the internet is not as complete as they may think...

Thanks for this post and for all the work you do to keep it all running :)


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