So what is your answer Dems & Liberals raise taxes again?

Submitted by DaveT on 01/22/2004. ( ) 198.26.118.37

Cecil, Pig and the rest of you that are so worried about the deficit (which is a imaginary, let me clue you in... IT IS NOT BACKED BY ANYTHING EXCEPT PRINTED MONEY), what is your answer? To raise taxes? Yea that makes it better for the average American. Let's see they get income tax, state income tax, sales tax, taxes on gas, taxes on alcohol, taxes on guns and ammo, taxes on tobacco, taxes on property, they retax your wealth when you die, they tax your savings, they tax your pension, they tax your fricken social security, they tax you for bridges, roads, fire hydrants, they tax you to go to school, they tax you to have a pet, they tax you every time you wipe your ass and flush that toilet, they want to tax internet/email, and on and on it goes........

YEA YOU FRICKEN DEMS HAVE IT RIGHT WE NEED MORE TAXES!!

How about this, why don't they cut their pork. I for one am sick of my taxes going to things like some idiot suing the government because a statue of the 10 commandments is in a hallway, or that a school says the pledge of allegiance, or some chick is so stupid she wears coffee between her legs.

WHAT WE NEED IS TO RETURN TO HAVING SOME FRICKEN COMMON SENSE!

AT LEAST BUSH HAS SPENT MONEY WHERE WE NEED IT ON HOMELAND SECURITY AND THE WAR ON TERRORISM instead of the stupid bullcrap you dems like to throw money at like the right to burn a flag, butt slam your buddy or rip a fetus from a womb. What the hell did Clinton spend all that extra money on? Hell he didn't even fight a war yet he was one of the biggest spending president in our history.

Bush inherited a falling economy, a major terrorist threat that Clinton DID NOT deal with and the loss of major economic resources due to 9/11 and the aftermath. He had to bail out the airliners (I suppose you folks would just let the transportation system in the US die?) he also has to bail out a failing electrical/power system in America.

Lets not forget how great Hillary and the dems did with healthcare in this country!

You whiners keep crying in your milk while the rest of us applaud a President that is doing something about the problems America faces and HELLO... NEWS FLASH... that costs money! He has also returned the fear and respect America deserves to many nations. Yea he has spent a lot but he also has had to fix and deal with more crap then any president since WWII. I would rather he spend money on the war on terrorism and the homeland security then what you liberals spend it on.

DaveT

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Dave You have been watching the Fox News Network to much >

This response submitted by Dan on 01/22/2004. ( gobbler@juno.com ) 68.135.130.81

Dave, You sound really upset , I hope you haven't been watching the Republican ran Fox news network . You didn't mention about more jobs in the private sector lost since Pres. Bush took office since Herbert Hoover was in office . I vote both ways and I have noticed on the Tax. web there are alot of people that only believe theres one way and that is it . Also I never call the Pres. just Bush , I believe loke Bill Yox mentioned some time ago about showing respect. I have many friends in my Ohio that have lost their jobs and also here in Ky. And the enviroment has been completely forgotten by this administration.. Dave don't take me wrong , I respect the way you believe along with my other brothers and sisters in the Taxidermy world . Have a good day .....


"YEA YOU FRICKEN DEMS HAVE IT RIGHT WE NEED MORE TAXES!

This response submitted by Cecil Baird ( ) 63.115.128.181 on 01/22/2004. ( ) 63.115.128.142

Dave,

Is this anyway to carry on a dialog? I will respond later after I get my work done for the day. Just skimmed this.


Forget your meds?

This response submitted by Steve on 01/22/2004. ( ) 209.122.220.210

Dave....Just where do you think the money is going to come from to pay for the 2 wars we are fighting now and the 3 more that bush is trying to get us into? Where do you think the money for the moon and mars base is going to come from? Where do you think the money for the insane health care proposals is coming from? Where do you think the money to pay for the biggest deficit in the history of the U.S. is goming from? Out of your friggin pocket buddy. And not just you, but your children and your grand children. If the republicans are so anti big govt, then why has the federal govt grown like a tumor since bush has been in power? President Clinton left this jackass with a budget surplus,and now we have a huge deficit. I hope that $300 he gave you made a big difference. And whats this crap about Democrats want to spend spend spend? Your examples about flag burning, abortion and gay marriage? How about this, leave the law and constitution alone and stop wasting money trying to change it. Its been doing just fine for 200 years, but now the REPUBLICANS are wasting millions if not billions of dollars trying to amend the constitution so that flag burning would be a crime, so that gay people cant have the same rights that straight people do and so that women no longer have a choice when it comes to their reproductive rights. How about letting the laws that are in effect now do their job and stop wasting valuable time and tax payer money on BS. Was it really so important for the REPUBLICANS to change the name of french fries to freedom fries in the senate cafeteria? Im glad they dont have any other problems to take care of. Now bush wants to make a billion dollar council to help people with marriage. If thats not socialism then what is?


Sept. 11 is one reason the goverment has grown.

This response submitted by John C on 01/22/2004. ( ) 66.233.157.155

Many of you dont remember the days when one of more airlines had thier route changed to go through Havana Cuba almost daily.

Surley you remember Sept 11th? The airline industry is huge and takes some money to secure! This equates to jobs, which in fact turns over earnings nine times within thier community.

So how and the world would you solve the problem of terrorist, high risk of HOMELAND ATTACKS?

Do we turn our back on Iraq? How about Bosnia?

If we turn our backs on the genicide in those areas of the world, we have lost our values. Our Grandfathers, Fathers, Sons and Daughters died in France, Germany, Italy and the Pacific theater of war for nothing!

After this you still say our goverment has grown to big while Bush is President.

FREEDOM is not FREE!


Here goes

This response submitted by DaveT on 01/22/2004. ( ) 198.26.118.37

Dan, actually I haven't been watching any TV for the last couple weeks. Maybe you wathc CNN too much?

Cecil, glad you skimmed and left, nuff said

Steve, no I did not forget my meds I have been reading some of the stupid posts on the forums and that was enough. To answer your question, I already said IT COSTS MONEY to fix the crap that needs fixing. Do you really think that we are going to MARS for nothing? Have you ever heard about STARWARS. I bet you wouldn't cry to badly if a little missile from space saved your ass one day. But I guess your answer is to let the UN handle world terrorsits. Glad you were never in my foxhole!

Maybe the republicans are trying to change the constitution because the liberals are doing everything they can to change the way America has been fo 200+ years. I suppose the name freedom fries would upset you. As far as your example about abortion, History Lesson: it wasn't all that long ago that a child in the womb was protected, so who changed what?

DaveT


And steve!

This response submitted by wetnwild on 01/22/2004. ( ) 24.128.109.191

The only reason Cliton had a surplus is because he cut the military budget to the point that we have to spend twice as much now to defend out country! And i thought flag burning was always against the law in this country, what does the republicans have to do with that! As far as health care, Hillaries plan some years ago was twice as much to fund as what The president is propossing. But if she had gotten her way when Bill was in office, the DEMS would have been saying" Look! She cares! At least she is doing something about it!" Then when the bill for it came in the DEMS would not have said a thing. The country is in the terrorism threat level it is in now, because :
1. Clinton cut the military down to the bare bone
2. When he had a chance to do what had to be done t get rid of Hussein and Bin Laden, he did not have the guts or knowhow to do it. We Finally have a guy with the guts to put moral values and the american peoples safety first, and all you do is cry about it! Just like a democrat. All the complaining, but none of the answeres


Forgot

This response submitted by DaveT on 01/22/2004. ( ) 198.26.118.36

Steve, I guess you think spending money on fixing the marriage problem in America is not good? I suppose you think it is good to have so many one parent households in America? Want to guess how much money is spent each year to fix all the other problems related to the break up of the American family. Can you say welfare, planned parenthood, condums in high schools, tracking down parents that do not pay child support, drugs, alcohol, day care, etc..... Could it be that the moral decay (brought to you coutesy of the liberalist movement) of this Great Nation is what is really costing us?

For each action there is an opposite reaction.

DaveT


Lost jobs in Ohio and Kentucky

This response submitted by DaveT on 01/22/2004. ( ) 198.26.118.36

Maybe manufacturing jobs have moved overseas due to all the frivilous regulations imposed on business' to the point that they can not afford to keep these jobs in America. Just look at California, where the liberals and Dems have had control for ever, they have the largest deficiet of any state or any other nation in the world yet they have the largest eceonomy? What gives there? oh I know it is President Bush's fault.

How many of you folks right here b*tched when the new foam became mandatory and prices went up? I suppose that was President Bush's fault also

The fact is that the deficeit is going up because America, sooner or later, had to start dealing with reality and fixing all the problems the liberalist movement has brought us to. Like it or not we have to start defending the homeland against attack and we also have to have a strong military. Welcome to the year 2004.

DaveT


uh...sure

This response submitted by Steve on 01/22/2004. ( ) 209.122.229.153

you guys are nuts. Do you really think throwing a billion dollars at this family management thing is going to fix any evils that you mentioned? Do you think its going to go back to the percieved notion of the 1950's TV family? Leave it to Beaver was cancelled long ago. You whine about planned parenthood, condoms and dead beat dads. Planned Parenthood is a private organization. They do not recieve govt money. I guess you would rather have women bleeding to death in some back alley because of a coat hanger abortion? If some of these welfare cases who could not afford to care for a child had had an abortion, then you and I wouldnt have to spend our tax money to pay for that unwanted kid. That unwanted kid, who may be a crack baby, wouldnt be sucking up tax money to pay for medical problems. that unwanted kid wouldnt grow up and become a criminal, either preying on victims or end up in jail where we would have to pay even more to incarcerate them! ...As for W&W statement about having to spend money to track down Saddam Hussien & Bin laden...wellllllll...where is Bin Laden? ANd now that we have caught saddam...why havent the problems gone away? why are there more and more attacks against our soldiers every day? why are our helicopters being shot down every week? why were we just under an elevated security alert just a few weeks ago? Why arent we safer than before we caught him? bush and his lackies say that we willbe fightinghtis for decades!..And daveT...Why exactly do you think we are going to mars? Do you realy believe that starwars will work? If the decades since that senile idiot reagan proposed that waste of money, the soviet union collapsed( beasue they just kept spening more and more and couldnt afford to, sounds familair eh?) they havent been able to make it work. I dont mean to say the whole system,. but what little of it they have been working on, it doesnt work. The test runs have failed.Han Solo isnt going to come out of left field with some ewoks and shoot down darth vader before he attacks us. The system is a huge waste of money. The missle defense system wouldnt have protected us from 911. It wouldnt have protected anyone from terrorism. If you are worried about the chinese..well then, dont go before the entire planet and call them part of the "Axis of Evil". That would be a good start.


Steve

This response submitted by wetnwild on 01/22/2004. ( ) 24.128.109.191

The reason there is so many unwanted pregnancys and single parent households is because of the erosion of family values. 89% of all unwanted pregnancies and single family homes are due to minorities. mainly black and hispanic. 80% of all criminals in jail are blacks and hispanics. Is this President Bushes fault also? It is called the break down of moral values and the american family. All GW is trying to do is bring us back to a place in time when kids respected their parents, and at age 12, you werent having sex and getting an abortion at age 13.It costs th taxpayer far more to let things go the way they are going, then it does to try and fix it. And as for my comments abbout the abortion and criminal numbers, blame it on Jese Jackson. hes got the minorities so bamboozled, they actualy think they need him. He is about as much as a reverend as My ass! Reverends preach abut values and religeon. He talks politics. the reason the so called " Black man" is held down, so to speak is because they listen to this idiot. Lets let the liberals like jese,bail out all thes efamilies with programs that cost us MUCH MORE than anything ur president is talking about. The LIBS screwed it up, noew we are just trying to do damge control! What i just said might be taken the wrong way. it was in no way a characterization of any single ethnic family. Steve and cecil just got my blood boiling!


On second thought I don't need to respond

This response submitted by Cecil Baird ( ) 63.115.128.181 on 01/22/2004. ( ) 63.115.128.142

Steve's doing pretty good on his own.

And like Doug said, "Don't try and teach a pig to sing. It won't work and it only makes em' mad. But it sure is fun watching them self destruct! LOL

Dave, I do have a question for you. If you are working for the government and you seem to be here on the taxinet all day, what do you do for us the taxpayer? Do you do much there? I know you even email with a military address. Just wondering?


Wet&Wild

This response submitted by Cecil Baird ( ) 63.115.128.181 on 01/22/2004. ( ) 63.115.128.142

The government has never fixed a social problem by throwing money at it. Why is it going to work now? It's a waste of money!

You probably think the schools should raise your kids and teach them morals too? Please.


Other social programs falures

This response submitted by Steve on 01/22/2004. ( ) 209.122.254.90

Since the other social programs have worked so well, I guess this one will be a roaring sucess. Remember that witch nancy reagan ,and her "War on Drugs" that one worked great. As for bush trying to "bring us back to a place in time when kids respected their parents, and at age 12, you werent having sex and getting an abortion at age 13". Is that the job of the government, to raise your kids and teach them morals? And what does Jesse Jackson have to do with abortion? Didnt the pope come out about the evils of abortion? He is even against abortion in cases or rape and incest. The religious zealots have bush in their pocket and are trying to push their right wing conservative ideas on all of us. A woman's choice should not be decieded by you or the government. You are against her ending a pregnancy, then you whine about welfare and having to pay into social programs. If a safe abortion procedure was available to someof these women, then there would be less kids in the welface system draining your tax money. It is not a happy or easy choice, but it is sometimes the best course of action in some circumstances. And it is a choice that women should have the right to make. Instead bush cuts off all govt funding for medical offices that provide abortion, and then cuts social programs. Great game plan there.


Cecil

This response submitted by wetnwild on 01/22/2004. ( ) 24.128.109.191

LOL Sorry DAVE T, but Cecils line about you and the military and our tax dollar is a good point! ROFLMAO Just what do you do that enables you to be on the puter 24-7 LOL LOL Sorry DAVE, Cecil just made me laugh with that one! LOL


Do you think Dave will be laughing?

This response submitted by Cecil Baird ( ) 63.115.128.181 on 01/22/2004. ( ) 63.115.128.142

Nah!


Seems to me

This response submitted by jkidd on 01/22/2004. ( jkidd278@yahoo.com ) 65.143.236.115

that it is the job of the government to raise our children because that is exactly what they are doing. When they tell us what and what not to do to raise our own kids. As far as abortion goes, if more women (men too) were responsible for their own actions then we wouldn't have to worry about abortions or welfare and deadbeat dads. And as far as schools go, my son's school doesn't even have enough school books for every child so they can't bring books home to study. Althogh he probably doesn't mind that part.LOL But the HS football team gets e brand new weight room when they already had one, brand new sod on the field when there was nothing wrong with the grass that was there, and brand new pads, mind you, enough pads for 2 sets per player. Don't get me wrong, I love HS football and glad the team is doing great, but what are they learning on the brand new field, that sports are far more important than learning something they can actually use in the real world? I also recently had back surgery and was out of work for about 6 months with only my wifes income so I tried to get a little help from the government until I was back on my feet and do you know what the lady at the office told me? That the system was designed to help those that don't want to work! I needed help for maybe a couple of months so I could still take care of my family and they tell me that I am not SORRY enough to qualify! I am not trying to slam anyone for their religions or political beliefs with this post, just speeking a few of my thoughts. I just think this nation needs to change some of it's priorities is all.


Good points Jkidd

This response submitted by Cecil Baird ( ) 63.115.128.181 on 01/22/2004. ( ) 63.115.128.142

I commend you for saying your mind and staying above the rhetoric.


Fault?

This response submitted by Jim B on 01/22/2004. ( ) 169.207.127.104

Recent Washington Post Article
"Presidents don't have so much to do, in my opinion, with when recessions start," Zarnowitz said. "Clearly the boom happened under Clinton, and the boom generates the bust. And no administration has the power to change that." Victor Zarnowitz. is a member of the National Bureau of Economic Research's business cycle dating committee, which determines the widely accepted start and end dates to U.S. recessions.


Since You asked Tom

This response submitted by DaveT on 01/22/2004. ( ) 198.26.118.36

Sorry Tom but I would have to shoot you if I told you. Actually, my job is not all that glamorous, I am the training superintendent for communications to a ballistic missile complex. Ever here President Kennedy refer to his "Ace in the hole"? While at times it may seem like it, I am hardly on the computer 24/7. I do usually post before I go to work and on breaks/lunch and in the evening. Sorry if that offends you, but even in the military we get a break from time to time.

Cecil, to answer your question, although you do not deserve one, I am still on emergency leave. I came in today to tie a few things up and made the mistake of responding to some of your stupid posts while sitting here. Am I laughing? With snakeman Tom yes, I know his intent. With you, well let's just say it would be interesting if you and I were in the same room.

DaveT


Gosh Dave now I know why you are not that busy

This response submitted by Cecil Baird ( ) 63.115.128.181 on 01/22/2004. ( ) 63.115.128.142

The cold war is over and you teach people to talk to ballistic missles. LOL

I'm noticing a pattern here. If you insult me it is O.K. If I am preceived as insulting you it is not O.K. Hmmmm?


Cecil you are your own witness

This response submitted by DaveT on 01/22/2004. ( ) 66.109.131.235

No Cecil, I do not talk to missiles, although the conversation would be of a higher intellect then talking to you. I oversee the training to ensure once the button is pushed the missile goes. Actually there are numerous communications systems to ensure they go bang, but I do not feel the need to explain it nor could your simple mind understand it. If you think that our nuclear deterrence is not still viable, well that just shows how weak your understanding of world affairs really is. Stick to raising fish it is what you are good at.

DaveT


Well at least you think I am good at raising fish

This response submitted by Cecil Baird ( ) 63.115.128.181 on 01/22/2004. ( ) 63.115.128.142

That's one saving grace.


Yea

This response submitted by DaveT on 01/23/2004. ( ) 66.109.131.130

Yea you got a lot going for yourself

DaveT


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