Why I don't belong to the NRA>>>>>>>

Submitted by Robert Kinley on 01/30/2004. ( rkinley@aol.com ) 68.135.134.231

For many years I was a strong support and member of the National Rifle Association and proud of it . Then a few years ago when it became known that some of the higher ups was stuffing their wallets and getting rich with our dues . After this happened I along with many others cancelled our memberships . The NRA if you remember had their membership drop very low . There were changes made and new leadership took over and to get the members back they started pushing this thing about taking your guns , a scare tactic that has worked on alot of people that are not smart enough to think or get all mad and riled up and don't think at all . Then comes the " Brady Bill" a bill pushed by the Bradys , which if some of you all have forgotten , are Republicans. The bill was put together while George Bush was Pres. and he had planned to help pass it after he was elected is second term , as we all know , he didn't get elected . This bill was strongly supported by Police and law enforcement all over the country . The bill was passed in 1994 under Bill Clinton. So that was all the NRA needed ,label all Democrats as gun grabbers that are out to take your guns, that helped bring their membership back and realizing that they have stuck with this . There is another bill in congress right now about the assault weapons ban, according to both Time and Newsweek , Pres. George W. Bush has promised to sign this bill, he has also told the National Law Enforcers that he supports it . The issue has not been talked about much as Bush hopes to get this bill put off until 2005 afraid that the issue will effect him politically. I am a life long hunter and gun owner and retired 2 years ago after many years working for The Fish and Wildlife Services. Do all the people so afraid of their guns and hunting rights being taken realize the revenue brought in from Hunting nation wide. It is in the billions of dollars . I am smart enough to know that with all that money being made for the cities, counties, states , and our great nation ,no political leader is stupid enough ,whether Republican or Democrat to push the laws to atke our guns . The reason I brought in about the Republican support for the gun bils is that YES they do support gun control ,but try to do it in a much more subdued way . All of you who belong to the NRA , you belong to a great organization ,who have done what they have done politically to survive . I guess I will get called alot of names for my opinions,but thats what makes America great. An by the way I am a Taxidermist ,unlike a few that have came on this site the past few days with all these facts that they have tried to dig up and added alot of not true facts ,hoping to slam the Democrats ....

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I couldn't have said it better Robert

This response submitted by Cecil Baird ( ) 63.115.128.181 on 01/30/2004. ( ) 63.115.128.177

In fact, back when I was doing an outdoor column for a local paper during the last presidential election, I actually found one more gun restriction with Bush's platform than Gore's. But the NRA was screaming Gore was going to take our guns away. Go figure.


Brace yourself Robert. I hope you have your bullet proof vest on. LOL


Has anyone ever noticed that when the assasination attempt

This response submitted by Cecil Baird your nemesis in the waiting on 01/30/2004. ( ) 63.115.128.177

on Reagan is talked about Brady is hardly ever mentioned? Jeeze the guy took a bullet through the forehead and will never be normal. At least Reagan fully recovered. I saw a documentary on it the other night and Brady was never mentioned.


Correction

This response submitted by Ric Carter on 01/30/2004. ( ) 63.102.130.125

The Brady Bill was NOT supported by the line police officers of the country. There were a few high profile big city police that put thier weight behind it due to political benefit.
I agree the NRA wates alot of money. They are too tied up wit hthe polical machine. If they would push a case into the Supreme Court and get a ruling, there would be benefit. We would then know whether we would have a Revolution arise in the country, or if the government was going to recognise our rights.
If this fight could be brought to an end, the money being spent could be much better spent on shooting ranges and training. And I would give more money for those.


You two are not worth

This response submitted by b bishop on 01/30/2004. ( ) 65.73.67.210

my time .


Funny....

This response submitted by Wil on 01/30/2004. ( ) 69.72.38.115


how so many see this as just a scar tactic. But when you see the bills many Democrats in the Senate and House come up with, whether they make it to the floor or not, it is clear they don't have your gun rights in mind. Attempting to tax all ammunition by as much as 500% was one not to long ago that was designed to make it so expensive as to discourage shooters from wanting to continue. Yes Cecil, I know you'll want the Bill # and all, but I don't memorize all this stuff. You can probably find something about it on the NRA website. Robert, I can't say everything the NRA stands for is perfect, but they are the watchdog for all law abiding gun owners. Politicians don't think like we do. Many have hidden agendas and don't really care what the economic impact would be. Do you think someone like Hillary Clinton is REALLY concerned about your right to own that fine looking shotgun in your cabinet , shoot a round of skeet with your buddies at the range, or take your son or daughter on their first pheasant hunt? If so, then label me mindless and scared. I'd rather be safe than sorry. Just ask any "former" gun owner in England, Australia, Canada when they thought it wasn't possible. Maybe then you'll see the light.


Two weasels in a poke

This response submitted by George on 01/30/2004. ( georoof@aol.com ) 152.163.252.193

I stand behind my remarks in an earlier post. I have to agree with Brad, but I wouldn't want you two weasels to escape unscathed. IF you CAN remember, George H.W. Bush RESIGNED his life membership in the NRA. He was upset that the NRA called BATF agents "jack booted thugs". The Brady Bill is, was, and will forever be a PC ploy that a dog faced wife used to parade her vegetative state husband around the country with. She was arrested here in Delaware a year ago for making a "straw sale". She bought a rifle for her son who did not live here. HER law says that's illegal, but it was OK for her to do it. In fact, the Democratic controlled state government here quickly swept it under the rug. If $50 is too expensive for you to remain worthy of a set of gonads, so be it, but don't peddle that tripe here and expect it to go unchallenged.
"Those who would give up freedom for safety deserve neither"
Benjamin Franklin


Bravo Robert

This response submitted by Superpig on 01/30/2004. ( ) 198.81.26.47

Excellent post. One of the very very few political posts on here I could read through without rolling my eyes and shaking my head.

And don't worry about George calling you names once again. He is just a blind pig who hasn't found his acorn yet (refers to a post on Epo-Grip). LMAO


AMAZING. All our "independents" have come out of the closet

This response submitted by George on 01/30/2004. ( ) 205.188.209.16

Pretty tough to be "independent" when you fall in line with the socialist agenda of the Liberals. I pity you myopic rats.


Interesting....

This response submitted by Bill K. on 01/30/2004. ( klager@nvc.net ) 64.68.173.111

I find that Republican / Democrat thing interesting, yet, irrelevant in a deciding to join or not.

Just like any organization, there's going to be corruption. BUT, I am a firm believer that the NRA is instrumental in maintaining my right to own a gun.
They way I see it is I have 4 options....

1.) Don't join and "hope" the system will prevail in protecting my rights and "if" I loose my gun I just shut up and take it like a man. (Ya, that one will work.)

2.) Don't join because even though I realize they protect our rights, I can save a few bucks. (My integrity is a little more important than that)

3.) Get more involved with active participation, go to Washington and lobby for my right to hunt and protect myself with a firearm opposed to using a baseball bat. (don't have that much time of money)

4.) Give someone else a few bucks a year to go to Washington for me and lobby for my right to hunt and protect myself with a firearm opposed to using a baseball bat. One added bonus is to receive a nice magazine that keeps me informed and often has some good reference pictures.

Unlike some other organizations, the NRA accomplishes countless good things that are far beyond the scope of MY abilities. No, they can't do everything but without our support.... they couldn't do anything.

I you "honestly" believe that the NRA does nothing to protect your rights, then of course there's nothing wrong with not joining. I guess the question is... do you "honesty" believe that?

Bill K.


Great post, Bill

This response submitted by George on 01/30/2004. ( ) 152.163.252.193

And you said it without calling them misguided jerks like I did. Good job.


Believe it or not

This response submitted by Cecil Baird on 01/30/2004. ( ) 63.115.128.229

You can make your point as Bill K. did without called people names just because they disagree with you. And you know what? If you don't insult someone they are more likely to listen to you. Amazing isn't it?


George Roof Mister Tough Guy

This response submitted by Cecil Baird ( ) 63.115.128.181 on 01/30/2004. ( ) 63.115.128.229

Posted by George Roof, "The Brady Bill is, was, and will forever be a PC ploy that a dog faced wife used to parade her vegetative state husband around the country with."

Jeeze George, they were Repulicans and Reagan's Press Secretary took a bullet meant for your beloved Ronnie Raygun. I guess you're not included in the term "Compassinate Conservatism."

No holding back with the far right wing. If someone doesn't support your views go ahead and bash em regardless if they are fellow Republicans or veterans. Meanness and a narrow mind has no limits.


George

This response submitted by Superpig on 01/30/2004. ( ) 198.81.26.47

are you calling me a rat? And what is that myopic crap you are quaking about. Don't make me get out my dictionary again. LOL


Cecil, you're a piece of work

This response submitted by George on 01/30/2004. ( ) 152.163.252.193

Terrible work, but nevertheless, a piece of work. You and SP and the other liberals on here don't have enough sense to pour p*ss out of a boot and you expect to chirp like a castrated parrot and the rest of us "see the light" of your socialist agenda. You use the sweet PC jargon and call me names like "neocon" and others. I use plain understandable English and if it hurts your fragile id, tough. Life sometimes sucks, I guess. Your dialect says that if I'm gay, I'm queer. I don't want you to mistake that I find your whole demented way of thinking a dispicable act of incitement to personal opinions. You're an instigator who stirs up sh1t and then runs for a raincoat crying to your momma that there are bad people out there calling you names. You insist on answers, but never give them yourself. You've already proved you're a frontrunner and a liar, so what other kind words would you like me to use? I told you, when you groveled to the depths you did in smearing Dave Toms and then refused to apologize for both your insensitivity and stupidity, you wrote your own epitaph. In my book, you're living proof that natural selection doesn't always succeed.


I won!

This response submitted by Cecil Baird ( ) 63.115.128.181 on 01/30/2004. ( ) 63.115.128.229

George, I bet someone I could get you to get your panties in a wad. This other person said nah George is too smart to be baited again. Boy was he wrong. Your reponse is a classic George Roofer.

Thanks George for the extra bills in my pocket! I think I'll donate to Kerry's campaign so he can take your guns away. Ye Haw! LMAO


These are not scare tactic's you read about

This response submitted by Coyote on 01/30/2004. ( coyote@wideopenwest.com ) 69.14.140.92

Look at Australia, and England. They have had their guns taken away from them, and crime has risen close to 68% in both countries. It's not the law abiding citizen that are doing the crimes, but we're the one's paying for it. And I truly believe since England has had their guns taken away, that is the reason why Canada is going through all the crap they are now. The Queen of England! I'm a life member of the NRA for a long time, and proud of it. The NRA isn't only fighting for us to keep and bear arms, but they're also fighting for the whole second ammenment.
Which I think most of the people don't see. And yes, hunter's do spend billions of dollars each and every year in their states, and other countries. Not only for the right to hunt, but they also support so many different businesses. A lot of people need that money spent by hunters, and sportsman to not only make a living, but to support their families. People please open your eyes!
And as for the "Brady Bill" I think it's the biggest joke there is. How many other people get shot, and they don't have a bill for them. I agree with George on this one. It's just a ploy so Mrs. Brady can get her face in the public, and wheel her husband around. And another reason for the Republicans can try and take our gun's away. Brady was never the target in the first place.
Guns are never going to be hard to buy, especially when anyone can go into any big city, and buy what they want off the street. So what I say is make any crimes with guns punishable by death if a person is killed during the crime. And life in prison without parole if caught with a illegal gun in their possession. There will be a lot less crime's committed if the person know's that he or she will die if they kill someone, or spend the rest of their life in prison if they get caught with a gun.
We the law abiding citizen don't need to be punished by someone else's stupidty any longer.

Coyote



I gotta know!

This response submitted by Bill K. on 01/30/2004. ( ) 64.68.173.63

Please don't read this wrong but..... why do Cecil and Super Pig have piss in ther boots?
Did I miss somthing?

Bill K.


Looking for perfection

This response submitted by DaveT on 01/30/2004. ( ) 66.109.131.222

Why is it that you will not join an organization that is not 100% in line with everything you believe? If you do not support the NRA who do you support. Very seldom, if ever, will all the people agree all the time.

Cecil, I wonder if you do not join? Is it because you, like I, are a fish nut? Do you hunt? What pro hunting org do you support?

The NRA probably is not perfect, it is run by humans who error from time to time, but it is the best thing a gun owner has right now. If we do not lobby congree we will loose are guns, plain and simple.

DaveT


I am happy so see.....

This response submitted by Superpig on 01/30/2004. ( ) 198.81.26.47

that at least one republican on here, namely Dave T, can carry on an intelligent discussion without resorting to vicious namecalling. Thank you Dave. Maybe you can teach George some manners too? Oh well one can hope right.

Dave I am still working on getting you more info for you hunt next year.


Cecil, I won too

This response submitted by George on 01/30/2004. ( ) 152.163.252.193

I had someone bet me the other day that you really weren't as big a fool as you portray yourself to be. I got an apology today. Sucks to be you. Ye Haw

Oh, and Bill. Probably. Neither of them can see any farther than their noses and probably missed the ground doing it.


Hey George

This response submitted by Superpig on 01/30/2004. ( ) 198.81.26.47

I rarely miss the ground since I don't stand up like you guys. See I knew there was a positive side to the squatting thing.


c/p article

This response submitted by Randal R. Waites on 01/30/2004. ( rwenglish1@aol.com ) 64.12.96.136

WASHINGTON Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch says new Justice Department figures support longtime GOP claims that the best way to fight violence with guns is not to outlaw the guns, but to prosecute criminals.

Data released Wednesday showed that as federal prosecution of gun crimes increased 68 percent from three years ago under the Bush administration, violent crimes dropped 21 percent.

"Our law enforcement's tough-on-crime approach parallels what I have always advocated: protect the rights of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms and and strictly enforce our gun laws," Hatch said.

"Because of the stepped-up prosecutions, there were approximately 130,000 fewer victims of gun crime and over 980,000 fewer violent crimes in 2001-02 than there were in 1999-2000," Hatch said.

"Enacting and vigorously enforcing stiff penalties for those who commit crimes with guns deters violent crime," Hatch added.

Hatch added, "This reduction in gun violence is a direct result of the nationwide implementation of Project Safe Neighborhoods. In Utah alone last year, over 400 violent individuals were indicted under federal gun laws."


I have an abscessed tooth and the codeine is wearing off.

This response submitted by Bill K. on 01/30/2004. ( ) 64.68.173.197

Wow!

I just reread my original posting and, man, was that thing full of grammatical errors. You guys actually understood that? I guess those drugs really bring out my dyslexia.

Bill K.


Superpig

This response submitted by Hoop on 01/30/2004. ( ) 24.166.99.164

Myopic: Lack of foresight, narrow mindedness and other definitions which I couldn't read, because I didn't have me bi-focals on! This was obtained through Websters, copyright 1991. I don't know why they keep making the print smaller, must be to fit all them new words in there.


check this out

This response submitted by Ben on 01/30/2004. ( ) 206.162.214.11

I believe the constitution which I believe says ' A well
regulated militia ( oh,not that word!) being necessary to the
secuity of a FREE STATE, THE RIGHT of the people to keep and
BEAR ARMS, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. The nra is doing nothing
to help fight for our rights. Go to alexjones.com or prison
planet.com. Look for My Lady of Peace Act, and you'll see what
the nra is doing for you. it should be listed somewhere on
there or use the search engine and you'll find it. I don't need
someone to defend my rights when their ggarunteed by the supreme
law of the land.Seems like guns keep getting banned. If anyone
has read the lastest issue of north american hunter, .50 cal.
muzzleloaders have been banned in trenton NJ, except for the grandfather clause
if you owned one before you can still use. Now what's the nra
doing to protect your rights? it's a bunch of garbage.
"Is life so dear to be purchased at the price of chains and
slavery.I know not what course others may take, but as for me
give me LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH" Patrick Henery 1775


Ben, you're even scarier

This response submitted by George on 01/31/2004. ( ) 152.163.252.193

No one BANNED any .50 caliber gun in New Jersey. That's a BILL PROPOSED in New Jersey, though I certainly wouldn't be very surprised to see it since the Democrats over there can wait until the day before election to change their senatorial candidate. The "quote" you used sounds surprisingly similar to all the gun control addicts who have absolutely no comprehention of what the word MILITIA actually meant in the late 1700's. (Get a REAL dictionary and look it up. It's still there along with "gay" meanng "happy") The phrase is an INCOMPLETE SENTENCE and the dominant INDEPENDENT CLAUSE of that sentence states the "the rights of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." That might be a little deep for you, but keep trying. So if the NRA ISN'T doing anything to protect my gun rights, just which organization do YOU suggest I go to?


If you spent the time to answer here...

This response submitted by Roadkill on 02/01/2004. ( gossard@gtelco.net ) 209.197.25.1

You could have emailed or sent a letter to a congressman and told him what you want him to do. All the congress men and women have Email addresses that are public accessable, and they cannot block them either. I write all my congress men and tell them what I think when it comes to bills and so forth. If everyone did, maybe we would not need NRA to protect our rights. Anyway, I like to let them know that there is a active voter out here that thinks they should keep the laws they have already, and start enforcing them. How many laws does there have to be to same the same thing? Do we really need laws that say it is Illegal to kill someone with a gun? I mean seriously, Do you think a criminal thinks about weather he is breaking a law or forty laws? I do not belive he give a damn. If he or she did, they would not break them. And as far as other countries that have outlawed guns and the drop in gun realated crimes? they have increased. You take the guns away from law abiding people, you give the criminals free roam on who to pick on. I belive the laws that are allready on the books are enough. Why are we spending millions of hours making new laws, taking time to pass emotional supported laws that are only on the books to try and make sad survivors of vilolant crimes feel that they did something to help protect others from crime. If they only spent the energy in convincing the local and federal government to just start punishing criminals better and to make the criminals know that they wil lsuffer if they get caught. I know criminals that think it is fine to be in the joint. Free meals, bed, room and board. It is like a vacation for them. That is wrong. I feel bad that anyone has ot be locked up. but really, do they still need all the comforts if they took the cmforts of others? Maybe we need to pass laws about allowing the ACLU protect all these violant people and to start trying to help instead of make it so hard to "punish" real criminals.
I to am on pain medication and probably should not be mouthing off, but I think if all of us really took a active roll, even if it is to pay dues to the NRA or another right protecting group, we all will be better off. I really think that when our forfathers got together and mad the bill of rights, they were truly inspired by past events and really "cared" about the people. That is because there was no differance between the people and the government official. All were the same and they also sought inspiration form god as well. It makes me wish we still had politicians like those gentelmen today. People that really had others best intrests at hand and not to make a name for themslves. Maybe that is why we remember them over all the other polititions.
Anyway, if anyone has had a chance to let there mouth run off, I am doing it now. I liked reading all of the posts. after all, Opinions are like bum holes, everyone has one. Nice to live in a country that we have to freedom to publically state them huh?


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