John Kerry..30yrs screwing Vets

Submitted by Charles on 01/28/2004. ( Marl4570@aol.com ) 64.12.96.105

While the media play's John Kerry to be a "hero" and friend of vets fact is he is a traitor and spent any possible moment screwing then.
And on another note he gets an A+ from the Biggest anti-hunting org HSUS for his constant sponsorhip of Anti-hunting Bills federally.


Now here is his great record on Vets.
With his win in Iowa, Sen. John Kerry could be on his way to the White House. But most Americans are unaware of the real Kerry. Here are facts and quotations that reveal the character of the new Democrat leader.

Denouncing America with "Hanoi" Jane:
Although Wesley Clark and others have attacked former front-runner Howard Dean as a draft-dodging ski bum, Kerry is far more complex than the simple war hero he portrays himself as. He became a celebrated organizer for one of America's most extreme appeasement groups, Vietnam Veterans Against the War. He consorted with the likes of "Hanoi" Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark, Lyndon Johnson's radical former attorney general.

He attended a seminar bankrolled by Fonda in Detroit in February 1971. Watching 125 self-proclaimed Vietnam veterans testify at a Howard Johnson's about atrocities allegedly committed by U.S. forces, the man who would be president later said he found the accounts shocking and irrefutable.

Dubbed "The Winter Soldier Investigation," the protest attracted minimal media attention, according to the Los Angeles Times, because Fonda insisted it be held in the remote Michigan city rather than the less "authentic" Washington, D.C.

Still, the event gave Kerry an idea for a protest that was sure to be a media smash, and he immediately set out to organize one of the most confrontational protests of the war.

Operation Dewey Canyon III began on April 18, 1971, when nearly 1,000 Vietnam veterans and people claiming to be veterans gathered on Washington's Mall for what they called "a limited incursion into the country of Congress."

The group staged mock firefights on the steps of the Capitol and Supreme Court and defied U.S. Park Police after the Department of Justice issued an injunction barring it from camping on the Mall.

Those evil American soldiers:
Testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on April 23, 1971, Kerry claimed that U.S. soldiers had "raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam."

"We are not the best":
In his testimony, Kerry claimed there was no communist threat and said: "In 1970 at West Point Vice President Agnew said "some glamorize the criminal misfits of society while our best men die in Asian rice paddies to preserve the freedom which most of those misfits abuse," and this was used as a rallying point for our effort in Vietnam. But for us, as boys in Asia whom the country was supposed to support, his statement is a terrible distortion from which we can only draw a very deep sense of revulsion, and hence the anger of some of the men who are here in Washington today. It is a distortion because we in no way consider ourselves the best men of this country Í."

U.S. Veteran Dispatch noted in 1996:
"Kerry's testimony, it should be noted, occurred while some of his fellow Vietnam veterans were known by the world to be enduring terrible suffering as prisoners of war in North Vietnamese prisons. Kerry was a supporter of the "People's Peace Treaty,"" a supposed "people's" declaration to end the war, reportedly drawn up in communist East Germany. It included nine points, all of which were taken from Viet Cong peace proposals at the Paris peace talks as conditions for ending the war."

Throw as I say, not as I do:
On that same day he led members of VVAW in a protest during which they threw their medals and ribbons over a fence in front of the U.S. Capitol. Kerry later admitted the medals he threw were not his. To this day they hang on the wall of his office.

Communist stooge:
The communist Daily World delightedly published photos of him speaking to demonstrators and boasted that the marchers displayed a banner depicting a portrait of Communist Party leader Angela Davis, on record stating, "I am dedicated to the overthrow of your system of government and your society," the New American recalled in May 2003.

"By frequently participating in VVAW's demonstrations, Kerry found himself marching alongside what the Boston Herald Traveler identified as "revolutionary Communists." While noting that known Reds had openly organized these events, the December 12, 1971 Herald Traveler reported the presence of an "abundance of Vietcong flags, clenched fists raised in the air, and placards plainly bearing legends in support of China, Cuba, the USSR, North Korea and the Hanoi government.""

Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry says:
"As a national leader of VVAW, Kerry campaigned against the effort of the United States to contain the spread of Communism. He used the blood of servicemen still in the field for his own political advancement by claiming that their blood was being shed unnecessarily or in vain.

"Under Kerry's leadership, VVAW members mocked the uniform of United States soldiers by wearing tattered fatigues marked with pro-communist graffiti. They dishonored America by marching in demonstrations under the flag of the Viet Cong enemy."

Sen. John McCain revealed that his North Vietnamese captors had used reports of Kerry-led protests to taunt him and his fellow prisoners. Retired General George S. Patton III angrily noted that Kerry's actions had "given aid and comfort to the enemy."

In recent years when Kerry has exploited the Vietnam Veterans Memorial for photo opportunities on Veterans Day, some veterans, still outraged by his betrayal, have turned their backs on him.

The book he doesn't want you to see:
When Kerry ran for election to the U.S. House of Representative in 1972, "he found it necessary to suppress reproduction of the cover picture appearing on his own book, The New Soldier. His political opponent pointed out that it depicted several unkempt youths crudely handling an American flag to mock the famous photo of the U.S. Marines at Iwo Jima," according to Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry. "Suddenly, copies of the book became unavailable and even disappeared from libraries. But the Lowell (Mass.) Sun said of the type of person shown on its cover: 'These people spit on the flag, they burn the flag, they carry the flag upside down, [and] they all but wipe their noses with it in their efforts to show their contempt for everything it still stands for,'" the New American reported.

Even today it is hard to find this infamous photo and book.

Friendly with the enemy:
Kerry's fondness for Vietnam's communist dictatorship, one of the most oppressive in the world, continues. As chairman of the Select Senate Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, created in 1991 to investigate reports that U.S. prisoners of war and soldiers designated missing in action were still alive in Vietnam, Kerry badgered the panel into voting that no American servicemen remained in Vietnam.

"[N]o one in the United States Senate pushed harder to bury the POW/MIA issue, the last obstacle preventing normalization of relations with Hanoi, than John Forbes Kerry," noted U.S. Veteran Dispatch.

"But Kerry's participation in the Committee became controversial in December 1992," reported the nonpartisan Center for Public Integrity, "when Hanoi announced that it had awarded Colliers International, a Boston-based real estate company, an exclusive deal to develop its commercial real estate potentially worth billions. Stuart Forbes, the CEO of Colliers, is Kerry's cousin."

The "odd coincidence," according to FrontPageMagazine.com, involved a deal worth $905 million.

Jeff Jacoby, the token conservative columnist at the Boston Globe, notes that Kerry continues his apologia for Vietnam's never-ending atrocities. "Far from taking the lead on the Vietnam Human Rights Bill, he has prevented it from coming to a vote. He claims that making an issue of Hanoi's repression would be counterproductive."

Kerry is also a fan of China's communist dictatorship. "On May 19, 1994, five years after Tiananmen Square, Kerry spoke on the Senate floor against linking China's Most Favored Nation trade status to its human rights record," Slate reported.

Kerry said: "China is the strongest military power in Asia. We need China's cooperation. We cannot afford to adopt a cold-war kind of policy that merely excludes and pushes China away."

Limiting China's MFN status "would make us a bit player in a production of enormous proportions. We possess no stick, including MFN, which can force China to embrace internationally recognized human rights and freedoms."

More extreme than Hillary and Kucinich:
Among the White House wannabes, long-shot Rep. Dennis Kucinich has the reputation of holding the most left-wing congressional voting record. In fact, this "honor" goes to Kerry. According to American Conservative Union, Kerry has a lifetime rating of 6 percent, compared to 13 for the demolished Rep. Dick Gephardt, 14 for Sen. John Edwards, 15 for Kucinich and 19 for Sen. Joe Lieberman.

Sens. Hillary Clinton and Tom Daschle score 13 percent. Only the likes of Sens. Teddy Kennedy and Barbara Boxer have more left-wing records than Kerry. In contrast, Sen. John Breaux, one of the upper chamber's few remaining moderate Democrats, has a 46.

Drive as I say, not as I do:
Like Al Gore and other self-described environmentalists, Kerry has a radical agenda that would devastate the U.S. economy in favor of the likes of communist China, yet he enjoys the gas-guzzling modern conveniences that greens denounce. Kerry, a delegate to the environment-destroying Earth Summit in 1992 (where he met his future wife, left-wing activist Teresa Heinz, the multimillionaire widow of GOP Sen. John Heinz), the Kyoto climate talks in 1997 and the Hague Conference of the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change in 2000, has attacked President Bush for withdrawing from the anti-U.S. Kyoto Protocol. This treaty, which then-President Bill Clinton had signed, would impose severe restrictions on the United States but not Third World polluters that already enjoy huge trade surpluses with the U.S.

However, although Kerry spouts the party line on anti-U.S. ecopolicy, he doesn't like to practice what he preaches. Kerry was humiliated in April 2002 when photographed attending a rally against energy independence and then heading back to his SUV, the symbol of all that is evil to greens.

Bone to pick:
Bush-hating conspiracy theorists find it alarming that the president, like his father, was a member of the secretive Skull and Bones society at Yale University. Another alum of this club: John Kerry.

Waffling on Iraq:
Kerry has the tough job of wooing Howard Dean's anti-war Democrats despite his support of the war in Iraq. His favorite tactic, claiming the president outfoxed him, doesn't hold up to scrutiny. On "Meet the Press" in late August, Tim Russert played a tape of Kerry addressing the Senate in October 2002 with a hard-line speech declaring Iraq "capable of quickly producing weaponizing" of biological weapons that could be delivered against "the United States itself."

Kerry insisted: "That is exactly the point I"m making. We were given this information by our intelligence community."

However, as columnist Robert Novak noted, "as a senator, Kerry had access to the National Intelligence Estimate that was skeptical of Iraqi capability. Being tricky may no longer be as effective politically as it once was."

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Charles

This response submitted by john mallien on 01/28/2004. ( ) 66.190.41.56

Thank you for a great post, he is a very scary person and can do NO good for our country. A hero isn't defined by the actions he did while doing his job but but how he justifies himself to God and acts afterward.


This does not compare to...

This response submitted by DaveT on 01/28/2004. ( ) 198.26.118.37

Oh but this does not even compare to President Bush not being able to prove his Gaurd duty 20+ years ago. Right Cecil? How come we never hear Cecil mention any of this since he loves to continiously question President Bush's service?

DaveT


Charles, THANK YOU

This response submitted by George on 01/28/2004. ( georoof@aol.com ) 205.188.209.14

You should send copies of this to every major newspaper and to Time and Newsweek and the "major" networks. We all know they'd never air or publish it because liberals think they have locks on covering the truth. It's a shame the scum can't understand that no matter how hard they try, it's a tough deal to rewrite history as they'd like to hear it.


Let me get this straight

This response submitted by Cecil Baird ( ) 63.115.128.181 on 01/28/2004. ( ) 63.115.128.179

You're bashing a guy that:

a) served his time (loophole or no loophole) and returned alive
b) realized that the U.S. presence in Vietnam was hopeless, and more importantly pointless
c) decided to do something about it

You guys will go to any lengths to defend your cause even if it means distorting the truth and bashing a REAL veteran. Do you have any idea what it was like on those river boats? Life expectancy was very low. Get a life.


Charles ... I doubt if you are a vet.

This response submitted by Dan on 01/28/2004. ( gobbler8@juno.com ) 68.135.144.172

Charles, It looks like you have a few pages that the Republicans have started digging up to try and save a President that probably wouldn't know how to find Vietnam on the map . You didn't mention the 3 purple hearts and silver star that Sen . Kerry brought back from Vietnam . By the way Charles were you in Vietnam or were you in the air national guard like a few others ? The Democrats are coming out in record numbers unlike they did in 2000 . I have a feeling Cecil amongst many of our others will be a happy man in Nov. 2004 . And by the way before you ask , I was in the Vietnam War , and served in the 1 st Inf. also known as " The Big Red 1 "


Here's one to ponder

This response submitted by Cecil Baird ( ) 63.115.128.181 on 01/28/2004. ( ) 63.115.128.179

I will be training a vet by the name of Chad that lost a leg in Kuwait. For his duty freeing Kuwait (which is not exactly a deomocracy either) he now has to live on $1000.00 a month with five kids to feed. If that is not enough his wife now has cancer and they can't afford any health insurance. Think about this as our fearless president that never served in a war zone says, "Bring it on."


That is a shame

This response submitted by DaveT on 01/28/2004. ( ) 198.26.118.37

How are vets are treated is a shame, no doubt about it, but President Bush is not responsible for disability pay. Matter of fact Cecil, if you knew what you were talking about, President Bush tried to pass a law where all vets would get disability pay on TOP of their retirement pay. It was shot down by the then Democrat controlled Senate. As it is, he did get it passed for vets with disability above 80% (I believe that figure is right?). Get your facts straight as you do not KNOW as much about the military as you THINK you know.

As I said before, you will never here me say anything bad about Mr. Kerry's service, it speaks for its self. But what he did after the war and his far left stance is why I would oppose him. Truth be known I would vote for Edwards before I even thought about voting for Senator Kerry.

DaveT


Anybody Know?

This response submitted by Doug P on 01/28/2004. ( ) 67.1.100.84

Which one of these yahoos is for protecting our guns. Thats who we need in power for our job security. I know the current president is for guns but he lost my vote by this latest immigration B.S.


yeah, let us know

This response submitted by SeaBass on 01/28/2004. ( bassluongo@hotmail.com ) 24.91.108.111

I can't even BEGIN to keep track of all this crap...so if someone would kindly tell us the answer to Doug P's question....


President Bush

This response submitted by DaveT on 01/28/2004. ( ) 66.109.131.239

President Bush protects your right to guns and your right to hunt public ground. Democrats want your guns, plain and simple

DaveT


Dave, don't try that

This response submitted by George on 01/28/2004. ( georoof@aol.com ) 64.12.96.135

What the hell would they know about being a real veteran anyway? And Dan, IF you WERE in country, how many PH's do you that went to pecker heads with hangnails. PH's to those deserving of them are insulted by the number that went to clerks who got fingers caught in typewriter keys. That Silver Star is a different animal, and I'll respect IT, but for you to sit there and tell me that I have to respect that dogfaced Kerry when he stood alongside Hanoi Jane and Ramsey Clark; you can simply go to hell. There were ways of protesting policy without consorting with the enemy. I was in a Jolly Green outfit and we were pulling downed pilots out of Haiphong while that bitch was having her picture splattered over all the newspapers of the world sitting behing an antiaircraft battery with NVA officers grinning. It's very ironic that some moron can come on here and cut and paste diatribes right off the socialist websites and that becomes facts that can never be disproved, while another person comes on and lists comments made by those same politicians that would support the opposing view and HE gets chastised. This President has taken more vitriolic abuse for being a decent man than a dozen past Democrats who were really inept scumballs have gotten combined. And one gutless proponent of your way of thinking is STILL making posts where he wants "kind" responses while refusing to answer basic questions asked of himself. Give me a freaking break.


Serving your country and serving yourself

This response submitted by Charles on 01/28/2004. ( MArl4570@aol.com ) 205.188.209.14

First no, I was not in Vietnam I was born in 69 so that would have been hard but my Dad "Volunteered" in the Army.
Second going in the services or serving in War is inh no way an automatic pass to be self labeled a "Hero", or Patriotic. There are those who serve for thier country and those who serve for themselves.
Cecil you need to read the whol article, it is one thing to be against the war (That Dems got us in by the way) but its another to use the "Blood" of those who died and were beiing killed as a stepping stone for your own political career..That is what Kerry did..
Cecil try asking any vet serving now who also served under Clinton how much better things are. My best Friend Sgt. Steve McCloy and Sgt. Don Chandler both just recently got back from Iraq, both wounded. Both served and was in Gulf 1 and both said that untill Bush got in office neither had a raise beyond rank in 8yrs.
How anyone can blame Bush when Democrats have controled everything for over 39 yrs is beyond thinking.
To show how much of a hypocrite Kerry is here is something else the guy did.


GIs in Vietnam, Kerry said, had "personally raped [Vietnamese civilians], cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephone to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan."

Kerry later admitted he hadn't personally witnessed any of the atrocities he claimed his fellow soldiers had committed.

Wow it must be a requirement in the Democrat party to be a liar on everything..

How about this?

In 2001 on Tim Russert Kerry said,"This administrations Intelegenc community failed misserably and we need to spend the money to fix the problems."

Yet twice in the 80's and three times in the 90's Kerry spearheaded with the Democrats huge cuts in the Intelegence community and Kerry himself said he would like to do away with the CIA all together..

On Guns Kerry gets a 0..He hates the NRA and does not belive in Gun Rights..

Kerry Asks FEC to Block NRA's Media Plan

Tuesday, Dec. 9, 2003
WASHINGTON -- Democrat presidential hopeful John Kerry doesn't want to tune in to a National Rifle Association channel anytime soon.
The junior U.S. senator from Massachusetts sent Federal Election Commission Chairwoman Ellen Weintraub a letter Tuesday asking the commission to block any attempt by the NRA to get a media exemption to campaign finance rules.

The gun-rights lobby is considering acquiring a television or radio outlet and seeking the same exemption from campaign finance rules that news organizations have. If the group won a media exemption, it would be free to say whatever it wanted about candidates at any time and spend unlimited amounts doing so.

"We urge you to prevent the NRA from hijacking America's airwaves with the gun lobby's money," Kerry's letter said. "If the NRA has something to say, it can play by the rules, just like the millions of people in America who do every day."

U.S. Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, who has voted with gun-control proponents 100 percent of the time, views sportsmen as an important constituency. Just last month, with a shotgun in hand, Kerry had reporters follow him on a pheasant hunt in Iowa.

John Kerry and true Anti-Americans Candidate..


Just called the John Kerry office in Iowa

This response submitted by Doug P on 01/28/2004. ( ) 67.1.100.53

I asked what John Kerry had thought about guns and hunting. They told me hes been a hunter his whole life. However he is not a big fan of assult rifles like AK-47s and that such. So I asked if there should be a fear of loosing guns if he becomes president and they said absoulutly not on hunting guns shotguns/highpowers. So I guess vote away!


Doug a suggestion

This response submitted by DaveT on 01/28/2004. ( ) 198.26.118.36

Doug a suggestion, also call the NRA and SCI and see what they say about Kerry's voting record and what he stands for. I personally would not feel good about making my decision based on what a politician's campaign aid told me. Besides, first it will be assault weapons, then pistols and then why do you need a semi-auto, it only takes one bullet. Ask Australia and Britain about gun control.

DaveT


Did any of you notice Kerry won only 39%

This response submitted by George on 01/28/2004. ( ) 152.163.252.168

Where's all these whiners screaming that he didn't win the popular vote by enough margin? THIRTY NINE PERCENT. That means that 6 in 10 New Hampshire voters thought he was a jerk. Bet you won't hear that fact on national media outlets.


you don't

This response submitted by john on 01/28/2004. ( ) 66.190.41.56

have to ask anyone an ocean away, just talk to a Canadian that has seen his or her rights slowly disintergrate over the past few years. THIS IS what the democrats want here in the U.S. in not too much more time they will (Canadians) be right there with Australia & Britain. John


Geroge give me a break

This response submitted by Cecil Baird ( ) 63.115.128.181 on 01/28/2004. ( ) 63.115.128.220

Posted by George: " Did any of you notice Kerry won only 39%
This response submitted by George on 01/28/2004. ( ) 152.163.252.168
Where's all these whiners screaming that he didn't win the popular vote by enough margin? THIRTY NINE PERCENT. That means that 6 in 10 New Hampshire voters thought he was a jerk. Bet you won't hear that fact on national media outlets."

With this kind of inference we should conclude that over half of Americans though Bush was a jerk as they didn't vote for him. But I'm sure you wouldn't agree.

George. do I have to get the órap shovel out every time you post? I still think you must have horns...LOL


Let me rephrase that prior post

This response submitted by George on 01/28/2004. ( ) 152.163.252.168

72% of New Hampshire DEMOCRATS thought their DEMOCRATIC PARTY WINNER was really a loser. The Republican ticket didn't suffer any such ignominy. John Kerry got 84,229 votes while the others on the ticket garnered 134,134 votes. STILL, do you know what the liberal rags like the NY Times, The Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times and the San Francisco Chronicle are reporting? They state that their "exit polls" show a significant independent voters bloc which should be of concern to President Bush. Only a stupid liberal could make that kind of jump. With 72% of it's own party members voting for someone other than their "winner", it would seem that the Democrats would be wise to be concerned with this same bloc of people wouldn't it. That's socialism for you. Long ago a joke about Socialism involving a race was told. Seems that the USSR's best runner challenged the best of the American runners. In the two man race over a 10 mile course, the American smeared the Russian. Headlines the next day in Moscow read "Soviet Runner finishes Second while American falls to Next to Last Position". Even when the tell the truth, they lie.


Charles about the pay raises,

This response submitted by Gary on 01/29/2004. ( ) 216.28.209.169

I think your two friends may have been mistaken about their pay raises for the last eight years. Here's one of the dreaded cut and pastes, showing the Military raises for the past several years. By the way before I'm labeled a subversive for posting this, I am a veteran, a Vietnam combat veteran.


Annual Pay Raises

Each year, Congress passes the Defense Appropriations Act and the Defense Authorization Act which contain pay raises for military personnel. For several years, military pay raises were below average pay raises for civilian jobs. This resulted in a "pay gap" between military and average civilian pay.

For the past few years, Congress has approved raises which exceed the average civilian pay increases (as measured by the Government's annual Employment Cost Index - ECI), which has somewhat closed the gap. Here are the "year-by-year" figures:


Year ECI Raise Pay Gap
1992 4.2% 4.2 -11.5
1993 3.7 3.7 -11.5
1994 2.7 2.2 -12.0
1995 3.1 2.6 -12.5
1996 2.9 2.4 -13.0
1997 2.8 3.0 -12.8
1998 3.3 2.8 -13.3
1999 3.6 3.6 -13.3
2000 4.3 6.2* -11.4
2001 3.2 4.1* -10.5
2002 4.1 6.9* -7.7
2003* 3.6 4.8* -6.5
2004** 3.2 4.1* -6.0 to -5.3
* These were targeted raises with some members receiving more than others. These figures show the average raise

** These are projected figures.


Does Pres.Bush use Liqua Tan or Dry Preservitive?

This response submitted by GOTCHA on 01/29/2004. ( ) 142.166.236.157

..................sorry just had to throw the humor in
lol,,( I vote Liqua tan)


LURCH

This response submitted by Bob on 02/05/2004. ( ) 66.177.74.170

I could never vote for a guy that looks like LURCH.

Being a Mass. hypocrite doesn't help, either.


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