From my rose colored glasses (Danger: political posting)

Submitted by DaveT on 05/20/2004 at 18:57. ( ) 66.205.109.132

Let me see if I get this right:


The Liberal Philosophy as I see it:

It is OK to use racial profiling to redistrict states if it gains you votes but it is wrong to use racial profiling if it identifies terrorists?

It is OK to destroy a human egg/fetus at the time of birth but it is illegal to destroy the egg of an endangered specie

It is OK to give unlimited welfare to folks who illegally take advantage of the USA and do not respect the immigration laws, but it is bad to give the same welfare to a nation that wants to be have their own democracy

It is OK to endanger (by threat of fire) human homes and lives to spare the home (forest) of an endangered owl

It is OK to close public lands to hunting and hand over our national monuments to the UN but it is destroying hunting by wanting to develop our national resources rather then be relient on foreign countries

It is OK to drill for oil anywhere else in the world, just not in American parks. I suppose drilling elsewhere is not a danger to other eco systems.

It is OK to not drill oil in our back yard and it is OK to cry when oil/gas prices go up

It is OK to say everyone has the right to live their life as they want, but it is not OK to help a country to get from under a brutal leader

It is OK to vote against weapons systems/bigger military budgets then bitch like crazy when the troops do not have Kevlar vests

It is OK to force our labor force (timber, oil, commercial fishing, mining, etc....) to abide to strict rules/regulations but then do not understand when they move their operations overseas where regulations are not as strict. They also can not understand why we our an energy dependent nation÷ idiots

It is OK to tax the upper pay scale families more then lower pay scale folks but it is not fair to give each the same percentage tax cut when their is abundance

It is OK to tell the majority of Americans that a man should be allowed to marry a man if he wants but it is not right for a child to say the Pledge of Alliegience when he/she feels like it

It is OK to air on TV the minor abuse of a few terrorist 24/7 but it is unthinkable to show how a terrorist slices the head off an American with no remorse

It is Ok for a President to lie and cheat but it is Bad for a President to follow through on his promises and to hold others nations accountable.

It is OK to blame and make false/unproven accusations about our President but terrorist are innocent until proven guilty. Even if they are found with a bomb or plans to drop a dirty bomb

It is OK to try to fire an official for what his subordinated far under him do but it is OK for the President to break a law because he is too stupid to know the definition of the word žisÓ

The way I see it Republicans (conservatives) are for:
1. Less taxes/fewer welfare governmental programs
2. Stronger/larger defense
3. Less illegal immigration
4. Prolife
5. Pro hunting/less environmental regulations
6. Reward folks who get a job/ less welfare for those who don"t
7. Deal with dictators no matter what the world says
8. Believes God is the rock this country was founded on
9. Stands up for the rights of the majority
10. Believes in Global security
11. Believes we should build anti missile weapons as we can not trust other nations
12. Deals with countries that lie and break treaties
13. Believes it is worth it to die for your country/flag
14. Thinks its OK to do away with government oversight on community programs
15. Thinks it is wiser to spend a buck on national defense then to draw some guy"s ass in art school
16. Conservatives think and weigh things against written standards
17. we also believe that laws were created to maintain discipline and morality

Democrats (liberals) believe:
1. Higher taxes/ more welfare for the lower class folks
2. Smaller defense/less weapons
3. The more illegal immigrants the better
4. Prochoice
5. Pro environment/more regulations of arms/hunting lands
6. Rewards folks who do not work/ punish those who work harder/make more
7. Willing to ignore what is going on around the world if at all possible
8. Believes that God has no part in America
9. Stands up for the rights of a few over the rights of the MAJORITY
10. Gives away a strategic military point (panama canal)
11. Believes anything any other nation or UN tells them, no need for missile defense
12. Does not know what the hell is going on around the world
13. Thinks it is freedom of speech to disrespect/burn your flag
14. Thinks it is OK to start all kinds of bureaucracy (i.e. governmental programs) but blames a republican when there is no money in the budget to support them
15. Fights for millions to support the foundation of the ARTS
16. liberals do not think, they just do what feeld good at the time
17. Libs believe laws were written to be interpretted by their own thoughts/despite moral decay

Of course this is not a cut-n-paste post, these are my own original thoughts so that will this post invalid in the eyes of a few.

If you are going to tell me to keep this to taxidermy... well I will flick a booger at you and shout nanny, nanny.........

Vote your conscience÷ I will

DaveT

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Their are smart fish in the sea

This response submitted by JOE on 05/20/2004 at 19:27. ( ) 152.163.253.1

Well said Dave I completely agree with you


I finally understand

This response submitted by Randy D. on 05/20/2004 at 20:28. ( ) 12.163.67.98

I was not even going to vote this time but I will now after reading your post Dave. Very good explained great. I will vote Bush. Randy D.


Dave

This response submitted by Tony H on 05/20/2004 at 22:35. ( ) 64.108.158.218

Like I said eariler, I appreciate the fact that you think about some of the things that you post.

I agree with some/disagree with others. WHat I really wish is that people would like a little farther than party lines. I tend to lie on the Democratic side of some issues (my grandparents were auto workers and thus most definitely pro-union, my immediate family are almost all public school educators so you can guess where their allegiances lie). Because I have Democratic views I can't possibly be a devoted hunter or conservationist? That's just wrong. Absolutely false.


Ah Ah Ah Naughty Naughty Dave Toms!

This response submitted by Cecil 63.115.128.181 (Baird) on 05/20/2004 at 23:58. ( ) 63.115.128.155

You may agree with the points you made but it was obviously a copy and paste. Remember what Ken said about Political copy and pastes? Davey doesn't follow the rules. Bad boy.

BTW, Is everything liberal or not liberal to you? Republican or Democrat? Dave you really need to get out and talk to people. LOL


Dittos Dave

This response submitted by wetnwild on 05/21/2004 at 06:02. ( ) 24.128.109.191

Well thought out and right on!


Cecil

This response submitted by DaveT on 05/21/2004 at 06:58. ( ) 66.205.109.132

It was not a cut and paste bud. I know you can not understand this but some folks can actually think for them selves.

Yes Cecil I tend to see things black and white... like I said conservatives tend to do that, liberals want to interpret everything to bend the rules so they can do what they want

I get out a lot Cecil, probably more then you do. Talking to fish all day has undoubtfully brought you to where you are today.... "The Fish Whisperer".

DaveT


You're fibbing Dave

This response submitted by Cecil 63.115.128.181 on 05/21/2004 at 07:35. ( ) 63.115.128.177

Do you want me to find this copy and paste and prove it?

The fish whisperer. Now that's funny.


Puhleeese!

This response submitted by Steve on 05/21/2004 at 11:42. ( ) 209.122.229.105

DaveT...I think you forgot to add a "sieg heil" at the end of your rant. You are way off the deep end, and really do not understand much about what freedom and democracy are all about. Where do I even start? You have no idea what "liberals" are all about. many of your statements are false or half truths. You dont believe in innocent until proven guilty? You dont believe that some land or areas are worth saving? You really believe that there should be no environmental regulations? You really think that only you and conservative know whats going on in the world? Going to other countries on military bases is not the same as traveling to another country. It barely even counts. You really believe that the minority has no voice in matters over the majority? Have you ever heard or even read the constitution or bill of rights? What you want is a fascist dictatorship. The reason this country was founded was to get away from the oppressive forces that you so desire. It is a right and a privledge as an american to be able to protest the government. As an american I have the right to burn a flag in protest if I choose to do so. I have never done thins, but it is my right to do so. The brave men and women who fought and died for our country , fought so that we can have these rights. Not so some nazi like you can tell the rest of the society what they can and cant do. Its amazing how you stand behind the american flag and military and say how patriotic you are, and how much you love this country, when you dont know a thing about what this country is all about. Some of that stuff you wrote could have easily been written in Communist Russia.


Steve is right on!

This response submitted by Walt on 05/21/2004 at 12:09. ( ) 64.18.236.96

The US constitution was written to protect ALL Americans from the prejudice and bigotry that comes from selfish fanatics like these right wing extremists. And pull up your pants DaveT. Everyone can see your a republican.


That's all I'm saying

This response submitted by Tony H. on 05/21/2004 at 12:46. ( ) 64.108.158.95

I'm not going to slam Dave T for his beliefs. In fact, a few more people should have such conviction. All I'm saying is what a few others have stated (Steve, Walt). Just because I favor some Democratic issues doesn't make me the anti-Christ (or anti-hunter, anti-war, blah blah blah). I just look at things as they are and try to go from there.


Steve, were you a draft dodger?

This response submitted by George on 05/21/2004 at 14:37. ( georoof@aol.com ) 152.163.253.1

I notice the recurring anti-military theme in all your psychotic ramblings. Being in the military going to foreign bases DOESN'T COUNT? Get a grip Kid. Do you think that as a bespecticle tourist YOU get any sense of another countries lifestyles. You spend a week in Germany visiting castles and tasting wine versus a GI who spends 3 YEARS there living and learning the country. (Oh, I forgot, you're antimilitary. You thought we stay barracaded inside the gates of our compounds, don't you?) Whatever Dave Toms has to say about this country HAS to have more impact on some nambypamby whiner like you who really doesn't have a clue to what the socialism he's so hell bent for means. YOU haven't contributed one thing to your right of maintaining constitutional priviledges. Dave's paying your way for freeloading. You should really shut up. Everytime your mouth opens, stupid comes out. OR you COULD join the military and see what it's like to contribute to the freedoms people like you take for granted.


Yes Cecil Prove it

This response submitted by DaveT on 05/21/2004 at 16:44. ( ) 66.205.109.132

Being that I typed it up yesterday I triple dog dare ya to prove it. One thing you should know about me Cecil, I do not lie. Now if you can not find it like you said, that has to be worth a big brown huh? you like the fish whisperer huh? lol

Tony H, thanks for keeping it civil, your welcome at my table anytime.

Steve,
I don't know much about democracy or freedom? I have served both for nearly 18 years, have you? I do hope our paths cross someday, I would love for you to question my loyality to my face. Until then I will ask you once again, do not direct your posts at me until you are man enough to use your full name. It is so easy to take pot shots from the dark, kind of like what the terrorists do huh? And no, the constitution does not give you the right to burn the flag. That was some liberal judges' interpretation.... but you would not know the difference. Burn one in front of me and I will give you my interpretation.

Walt, I have no problem with the constitution as it is written. I do have a problem when you liberals try to interpret it for the rest of us. Who gave you liberals the right to say what the constitution does/does not mean and what our fore fathers meant/believed in? The fact is there are some grey areas and you liberals try your best to spin it to suit your own needs. That my friend is what I have a problem with. Funny how folks who do not see it your way are bigots.

As to your wise crack... too easy to come back, besides, that is what seperates us conservatives from you liberals.

Like I said in the beginning, there would be a few that would try to discredit my beliefs... I just look at the sourse.

DaveT


Oh by the way Steve

This response submitted by DaveT on 05/21/2004 at 16:54. ( ) 66.205.109.132

I thought it was you liberals that were against us removing fascist"s dictators? I did my part to get rid of two of them and a fascists group in Afgan.... we are currently fighting for the žrightsÓ of women and children in two countries where they once had none. So Puhleeese as you put it, don"t tell me about your heroric efforts to oreserve the rights of the people.

DaveT


for you Walt

This response submitted by A.C. on 05/21/2004 at 20:23. ( ) 65.73.67.105

Walt says [ The US constitution was written to protect ALL Americans from the prejudice and bigotry that comes from selfish fanatics like these right wing extremists. And pull up your pants DaveT. Everyone can see your a republican. ]

Yes , we all have the same oppertunities to excell in this country but it shouldn't come free , you need to put some effort into it or yes you will be left behind . You get out of life what you put into it and I don't expect the goverment to pay my way .

In WI , when Tommy Thompson was Gov. he reformed our welfare program ( which was at one time so liberal , that people were moving here just for the welfare benefits ! ) and made people find work and furthure thier education in 2 years or thier welfare would get cut . Well , guess what , problem solved . He set up a program of incentives that allowed health care to those that showed they could follow the program and the people that did it couldn't be more thankful that they were pushed . Granted , some were left behind but some people there is just no hope for IMO.

The point is , the goverment should not just enable people to stay in the state that they are in by giving them benefits forever without any effort on the part of the recipient to make a better life for themselves.

Dave , you forgot one : democrats like to get out and protest thier goverment at the expense of the city , taxpaters and the police force that runs into millions of dollars { of course what else do they have to do when most of them don't work ! }

Republicans just look out thier office windows and shake thier heads !


Once again

This response submitted by Tony H on 05/22/2004 at 16:36. ( ) 216.120.159.168

George just can't stop talking. He's got this attitude that simply demands he speak and try to sound inteligent. He's failing miserably and his personal attacks are getting extremely old. But, hey, if you can't contribute sunbstance, contribute qauntity. And use big words (even if you spell them wrong and use them incorrectly) and maybe you can fool somebody into thinking you know more than you really do.

So let me get this straight. Unless you're military, you haven't earned freedom? Whoa. Better not tell that to the farmers who fended off the Redcoats.

Man, George, you just keep slipping further and further from reality.


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