C.I.T.E.S. Permits

Submitted by George on 11/3/04 at 9:10 AM. ( georoof@aol.com ) 205.188.116.202

In a thread below, I gave some incorrect information on black bears not being CITES controlled. (Thankfully Raven picked up on it and corrected it.) But as taxidermists, it would behoove each of you to go to your favorite search engine and type in "CITES".

It stands for Conventions for the International Trade of Endangered Species. We all know that the black bear is hardly an endangered species and it's not even listed as such on the CITES site, BUT, thanks to our Oriental shamans, trade in black bear GALL BLADDER is. That CITES site is a cluster**** of mumbojumbo that it impossible to fathom. There are Appendices and Indices to the actual Lists and it would take a Philadelphia lawyer to discern many of the differences in terminology. There's even admission that there are different requirements if you actually bring the animal into the US from Canada instead of shipping it.

All of this is to provide another wake up call to all of you who trust the government and the international community. Some bleeding heart bureaucrat can, with the stroke of a pen, add some little "feel good" item to a requirement like this to make your life living hell. Your DNR people are no better. Each of you, if you intend to stay around more than a week or two, need to be very active in your state and the national programs. You need to point out these dificiencies and inequities and shout out that they're stupid. Americans are probably the worst at surrendering to stupidity. If it waddles and quacks, it's a duck. Don't step down when someone tells you it's an ostrich or a phoebe. When you do, you only encourage them to be more stupid than they were to begin with.

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CITES

This response submitted by Liz on 11/3/04 at 1:10 PM. ( ) 205.188.116.134

It ain't rocket science, and you should check the FWS website.

Here's CITES in a nutshell:

Three Appendices

I - endangered and threatened mainly, no commercial trade. Requires an import permit from the importing country and an export permit from the exporting country.

II - needs to be monitored, the exporting country must issue an export permit.

III - some countries think they should be monitored. If it is coming from a country that lists it, you need a permit. If it is coming from any other country, you need a "certificate of origin", which most countries don't issue, they just issue a CITES permit.

Exceptions:

Appendix II and III species imported as household effects or for personal use (not to include live specimens) may be imported/exported without a permit unless the importing/exporting country requires it.

There are a bunch of other exceptions regarding pre-act, captive bred, etc.

As CITES applies to specimens here, things like alligators, black bears, bobcats, etc that are CITES species are tagged when they are taken/trapped, whatever for export.

Any other questions, call your local FWS office.


It Could Be Worse If...

This response submitted by J J on 11/3/04 at 8:17 PM. ( sinclairsjj@aol.com ) 205.188.116.134

...you lived in NJ. In the Garden State,a resident can not own,transport or process ANY animal that is on the federal and/or state endangered species list. This includeds legally obtained bison, leopards,giant eland,woodland caribou and almost 20 other huntable animals regardless of origin. Taxidermists can not sell a mounted bobcat skin rug in NJ but a fur salon here can sell 20 of those same bobcats made into a coat! In fact,taxidermists here can not sell any kind of wild deer capes either including but not limited to white tail,mule deer,elk,moose or caribou. Antique stores cringe when an estate they acquire contains deer or other trophy heads because they know they're stuck with them in NJ because they can not be sold. But then again it could be worse if...no it can't.


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