Damn Liberals are at it Again!

Submitted by Steve on 1/12/05 at 11:44 AM. ( ) 69.248.128.63

Here's somthing I thought you might enjoy, especially the quote at the end.


Joe gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot
full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for
minimum water quality standards. He takes his daily medication with
his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because
some liberal fought to insure their safety and work as advertised.


All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers
medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers
for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too. He prepares his
morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe's bacon is safe to eat
because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing
industry.


Joe takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is
properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents
because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting
on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and
takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree
hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our
air. He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride
to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation
fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public
transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a
contributor.


Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay,
medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some
liberal union members fought and died for these working standards.
Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't
want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or
becomes unemployed he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment
check because some liberal didn't think he should lose his home
because of his temporary misfortune.


Its noon time, Joe needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some
bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some
liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who
ruined the banking system before the depression.


Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten Mortgage and his below
market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that
Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and
earned more money over his life-time.


Joe is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at
his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to
dads; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal
fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. He
was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home
Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The
house didn't have electric until some big government liberal stuck his
nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those
rural Republican's would still be sitting in the dark)
 He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on
Social Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure
he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to. After his visit
with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home.
He turns on a radio talk show, the host's keeps saying that liberals
are bad and conservatives are good. (He doesn't tell Joe that his
beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit
Joe enjoys throughout his day)  Joe agrees, "We don't need those big
government liberals ruining our lives; after all, I'm a self made man
who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I
have).


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President or that
we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only
unpatriotic and servile, it is morally treasonable to the American
Public."
-President Theodore Roosevelt

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And once again

This response submitted by cur on 1/12/05 at 11:49 AM. ( ) 4.227.11.222

Liberals are taking credit for legislation they didn't sponsor...


Documentation please cur?

This response submitted by Cecil on 1/12/05 at 12:16 PM. ( ) 64.184.33.154

Or should we accept your statement as is?


I didn't postulate the authorship

This response submitted by cur on 1/12/05 at 12:26 PM. ( ) 4.227.11.222

Cecil, that wasn't my postulate to defend. Many of those bills were co-authored from both sides of the aisle. Notice that I didn't claim that conservatives did the legislative work, I simply stated that those efforts were not solely the result of liberal actions. There are many conservative citizen rights groups as well as liberal. The politics of consumer protection is not exclusive to liberals. In my opinion, in recent times, liberals are obstacles to and not progenitors of sane legislation.

Methinks that you are sometimes too case sensitive. Academician conjecture is also not an exclusive privilege of the left. Accepting challenges and defense of presentation is the property of the stater, and not the doubter. You defend the statement by providing legislative history, and then, I may, and I mean may, provide a counter-argument.

Many of us have attended institutions of higher learning, Cecil, and we are familiar with debate procedures. Shouting, false claims and rudeness is never a substitute for logic. Sometimes I think those rules are ignored too often.


The typical person that benifits from the liberal system

This response submitted by Pirate on 1/12/05 at 12:31 PM. ( ) 151.196.98.42

They get up in the morning at around 11:00 am, because they don't have to work. They were taught that they don't have to work by their mother, grandmother, and great grandmother. This is of course because they have no idea who their fathers were. They get out of bed and fix themselves some breakfast. The milk and cheese that they use they got from a government cheese line. Yes they still have them. The rest of the breakfast they use their welfare card to purchase. They hang out and watch tv and take care of their six children. Of course each child means an additional income source. Then they go out and sit on their porch and complain to the neighbors how they don't have anything. In the afternoon they go to the seafood store and buy a bushell of live crabs. This is unfortunate because there is this rule that they can't buy prepared food with their welfare card. So they have to steam the crabs themselves. They stop on their way home at the liquor store and grab some beer and cigarettes. They use the portion of their welfare card that is like cash to buy these items. They hit the ATM machine and pull out a little cash from their cash portion of their welfare card. They go home and start steaming the crabs in their home that is completely funded by the govenrment including electric. They send their oldest son who is eight out with the cash they have to pick up some crack. They eat their crabs, drink their beer and smoke some crack. All while watching the children. They allow their oldest son to help sell a little crack on the side in case their welfare money doesn't last till the end of the month. They go back out on the prorch and complain about how they don't have any money and can't get anywhere in life. They go to bed to get up and do the same thing the next day. When it comes time to vote they will only vote for the liberal who provides them with this lifestyle. When you ask one why they don't get a job they tell you because they will lose their benifits.

To compare a person who work their entire life and uses some of the public convienances to this type of person is absurd. The liberals buy their votes every election by making sure that this part of society can continue to live off of the government for free.


Sorry Cur that doesn't cut it

This response submitted by Cecil on 1/12/05 at 12:55 PM. ( ) 64.184.33.154

You challenged the asseration by your blanket statement, "Liberals are taking credit for legislation they didn't sponsor..." therefore the burden is on YOU to refute it with documentation. Some of us have graduated from institutions of higher learning too. :-)

You're good with the words I'll give you that.

I'm waiting...


Pirate

This response submitted by Cecil on 1/12/05 at 12:56 PM. ( ) 64.184.33.154

I think you've been listening to Liar Limbaugh so much your brain is rotting. If you believe what you say 100 percent I feel sorry for you.


Pirate is just jealous...

This response submitted by Junipera on 1/12/05 at 1:07 PM. ( ) 66.66.1.216

I don't know what crowd he hangs with, but most people I know fit into the first scenario (Steve's)-- it's the typical American Lifestyle.

If a small number of people want to sponge, so what? Throw them some crumbs--better that than being bled by entities like Corporations- they have rights just like you and they aren't even human, yet they are protected.

Most laws that protect your health and dignity have been enacted in the last 100 years. The US is in retrograde, the current administration is trying to gut all these laws.
The Bush motto should be "Too Bad".


I see it

This response submitted by Pirate on 1/12/05 at 1:35 PM. ( ) 151.196.98.43

In addition to doing taxidermy work I am also a police officer. I see exactly what I typed on a regular basis. This occurs in every major city. If you think it doesn't then you are going through life with blinders on.


Re-direction

This response submitted by cur on 1/12/05 at 1:41 PM. ( ) 4.252.242.193

Won't get it. I challenged the post as hypothesis contrary to fact, or a hasty generalization. The assumptives stated in that post were generalizations and as such not colloborated by substantive data. As challenger, there is no requirement to refute that which is not presented. To simply accredit a party or parties with authorship is not a presentation of exact data, and now the presentor is requesting another provide the support data for the original statement. That form of elusion does not remove the responsibility of the founding party to provide the evidence to support his or her statement.

My challenge had nothing to do with counter argument, is was presented as rebuttal to a blind assumption on the part of the poster, and not intended to be a counter argument. By stating that liberals take credit for mutually sponsored legislation, a challenge was issued for the poster to back up the heresay posted with substantive fact. Don't try to trap me into defending a challenge, by avoiding a responsibility to back up the presented data.

The data as presented is a thesis, and as presenter, the defense of thesis is not the burden of challenger, but of the presenter. A statement was made, and a challenge issued. Present the facts, and then a discussion may be at hand. I am not going to do the research for you.

And Juniptera, don't light a match. You are so far out there that the missle launched to strike a comet may find you instead.


As a Police Officer, you're gonna see the dregs...

This response submitted by Junipera on 1/12/05 at 2:09 PM. ( ) 66.66.1.216

like..... DOMESTIC DISPUTES for instance. Watch out for burn-out.

If it makes some people feel better to think I'm "way out", go ahead. No need to "rattle your cage".


Cecil

This response submitted by DaveT on 1/12/05 at 3:57 PM. ( ) 66.205.116.97

If I may inject something here... we do not owe you anything and we certainly do not have to answer to you. Keep living in la la land OK?

DaveT


and the birds were singing,

This response submitted by Roger E on 1/12/05 at 3:58 PM. ( ) 216.220.27.11

once again, an example of liberalist's fantasy world views...(never confuse the issues with facts, please)...


Taxidermy Net Forums?

This response submitted by Rocky M on 1/12/05 at 5:10 PM. ( ) 198.93.212.51

I thought that this was a taxidermy forum?


Liberals are ok

This response submitted by Paul I on 1/12/05 at 7:29 PM. ( paulblastoatyahoo.com ) 209.210.135.141

I think liberals are ok as long as they answer to others.LOL


Cur blah blah blah

This response submitted by Cecil on 1/12/05 at 7:57 PM. ( ) 64.184.33.165

Jeeze talk about long winded! Holy Crap you expect me to read all that?! ;-(

Dave,

Keep it up and I'll send you a big brown from my big doggie!


Cecil, you lost the white coat, didn't you.

This response submitted by George on 1/12/05 at 9:00 PM. ( georoof@aol.com ) 205.188.116.135

Since you discredited Buck Owens with the song earlier and tried to give it to the Beatles, I'm assuming your intellect goes no farther back than 1964. IF you were capable of understanding American politics, you'd know that that's about the time when the Democratic party started espousing socialism and leftist ideals. I HAD BEEN the conservative wing of government up to that time, so what nitwot Steve suggests ASSUMES that the Democrats were always liberal. The sad truth is that if his and Juniper's brains were transformed into methane gas, the wouldn't have enough to make one good fart. Now do you want to be part of that equation? Silly me! You already are. LMAO

BTW, T.R. for all his greatness in conservation, really WASN'T an icon that even the liberals would want to emulate. Remember, he didn't think the U.S. military was fighting properly in Cuba so he formed his own band of mercenaries and fought for himself. I love the quote attributed to his daughter after his death. Paraphrased, he hate funerals since he wasn't the center of attention. He thought he should be the reason for every birthday party, bar mitzvah, and even funerals and he never wanted to miss an opportunity to speak to the masses. Today, he'd probably be classed right up there with Ted Kennedy.


Georgie Georgie

This response submitted by Cecil on 1/13/05 at 5:49 PM. ( ) 64.184.33.161

I don't usually read more than a sentence of two of your posts remember? So I have no idea what you are ranting about this time. Maybe you said you wanted a big brownie? LOL


Day late and a dollar short....

This response submitted by Don on 1/13/05 at 9:52 PM. ( ) 12.44.44.11

"insured by the FSLIC" ... well Einstein, the FSLIC went out of business more than 10 years ago. O, and it was insolvent when the Feds closed it. Try posting something up to date next time pinko.


Careful Don

This response submitted by George on 1/14/05 at 12:00 AM. ( ) 152.163.100.135

That would mean the knucklehead would have to blame the Savings and Loan demise to the Clintons who seemed to do quite well form the Whitewater adventure before taking the S&L's down the tubes. I KNOW he didn't want that issue revisited.


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