RESOLVE. That is the difference. The anti's believe in their cause. They will sacrifice, invest, and even risk having a criminal record to defend their cause. Call them fanatics if you wish. Like them or not. you cannot in some way help but admire their dedication.
Taxidermist on the other hand. Will defend, and promote a cause they believe in only if it does not inconvenience them in any way. We all talk about how we dislike the antis, and how they need to mind their own business. how they need to get a life. Then we turn around, and support businesses known to have ties with animal rights groups. businesses that easily cave in to their requests, let alone there demands. Businesses that give them funding. Ebay is one such business. Go to your stock broker, and have him get you a copy of Ebay's annual expenditure report. You will see where Ebay's profit go. They Make healthy donations to animal rights groups every year. They will cease the listing of animal parts, or skins, for the slightest of reasons if the anti's suggest it. Then The sellers have to fight to prove there is nothing Illegal about selling them. A few years back. they ceased the sales of frozen whole animals. Under recommendations from antis. Who claimed whole frozen specimens could be considered food. Only by offering the animals as skinned are they now allowed. Yes, sellers cheat. By saying they will be skinned prior to shipping. The case in point here is. again the anti's revel in their victory. Taxidermist not only tolerate this. They support it, and defend it. WHY? Simply because they can make a few bucks selling on Ebay. It does not matter that Ebay profit goes toward ending their profession. Take what you can get now. And the hell with those that follow. Seems to be the viewpoint of the industry.
Then to add insult to injury those that support Ebay, and in turn it's animal rights affiliates, come here to what is supposed to be a taxidermy dedicated site. And promote the sale of items on Ebay as though it were the thing to do.
Ken set this site up for taxidermy, taxidermist, and the promotion of the craft. as well as the industry. It almost seems disrespectful to come here and promote another industry that in all reality does not care one bit about Taxidermy or its Longevity.
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I've often thought of how taxidermists willingly prostitute themselves by using ebay as you described, but yours is the first to express it so well. You really should've claimed authorship of the thread and put your name there. Good post.
Gotta agree with George on this one. Good post! Thats exactly why we should give Jason and taxidermymounts.com all the support we can!
Jeez, you guys. If you'd stop buying from, or using the services of every store, company, or gas station, just because some of their money goes to an orginization that doesn't jibe with your convictions; you'd be sitting in a cave eating rabbits over a fire.
Boycot this, boycot that, it doesn't work! Site for me an example of a boycot that has worked in this country. George, "prostitute themselves"!? Jesus H man, you and I agree on alot of things but you're off base on this one. I've "turned a trick or two" on ebay over the years, but I also support, monetarily, organizations that fight against the machine that Their money is supporting. Did that ever occur to either of you guys?
I buy a lot on ebay, and have had good luck. I will continue using ebay, and look at it as a way to promote what we do as taxidermists. Most people buying the mounts are non taxidermists so I look at it as way to promote taxidermy. People see that we do things legal and that taxidermy mounts are a work of art and not just a bunch of hunting nuts stuffing animals we hunt to support our ego.
I am not hiding Behind an acronym when I use b. My name is Brian Worth. My foster parents have a son, as well as a son-in law Named Brian. so everyone calls me b. It saves confusion. Add to that the fact that both those Brian's post here, as well as a few others. using my name would still not offer me any individuality.
Now, Jay It is good that you feel you do this industry a service By buying things off Ebay. Yes, it offers you an opportunity to get items at good deal. So you can justify it in some way. Being able to rationalize your actions does not change the fact that the sales commissions Ebay charges on the items you buy go in part to finance the antis who seek to close hunting, let alone taxidermy down. It is No different from doing business with companies that support terrorism.
Brian, Load of crap or not. When you support an organization that aids our enemies. you are a trader. What is worse you do so not from a moral stand point. but rather a monetary one. Your analogy of donating funds to organizations that oppose the antis is lame. It is like tossing rocks at a fleeing snake. useless! You have to cut the head off the serpent if you want to kill it. With any Political group The head is $$$$$$
I don't support ebay, I USE ebay. Just like everyone else that sell their goods there. Therefore that does make me a trader, but not a traitor. The money that ebay makes in commissions from my sales, and then gives to a cause that I don't like, is measured in Pennies! The money I make from selling on ebay is measured in Dollars.I beat them at their own game, Get it? I take a few of those dollars and Support an orginization that is a voice for our side. The more I make, on ebay or otherwise, the more I can give.That tilts the scale to our side; it helps to sever the head of the snake they support. How the hell is that lame? NEWSFLASH, money is what fuels the voice and interests of both sides. YOU, Brian, telling ME that selling on ebay is No different than supporting terrorists!?..........now thats about as lame as it gets.
Both Brian and Jay are very far off base in my opinion. When I came to my attention years ago that ebay favored the anit attitude and supported them finically, I COMPLETLY stoped purchasing off ebay. Others shoud as well. In my opinion it is a matter of morals and conviction. If you talk the talk you had better walk the walk, if you don't your weak. As far as boycotts not working that is because there are to many who don't understand the principal invloved or to many who are just weak.
The same think goes for supporting the economy of the USA and not buying órap made in China. Products made by an opressive communist country. If all people had conviction to do the right thing then it would make a difference.
I have totaly written off many companies because of what they stand for. Everyone else should as well. Weather it is EBAY, Toys R Us, Levis, RMEF, Tyco or whoever it does add up.
Granted it is very hard to allways hold to your ideas and opinions and most everyone slips or has to purchase or use a business that is not of our kind. BUT we should all try. We should stand up and be counted!
Great post b.
Be so kind as to explain to ANY working taxidermist why they would have to sell mounts in a yard sale like ebay? I, personally, don't know a single taxidermist who doesn't have enough work to keep him gainfully employed. Some lady above was advertising for taxidermists in Texas wanting 10 people and claimed to have enough work to keep them busy 24/7-365. You can rant and rave all you'd like, but if you aren't making a living in taxidermy, one of two things is the only cause: You're not worth a crap OR you aren't charging enough for your work.
And anyway, Brian W. was remarking that IF you elect to use ebay, then why would you bother comeing on HERE and pandering your crap by advertising free using WASCO's computer space? Not too many taxidermists are going to be buying a mounted specimen anyway.
Again, the poor business acumen and professionalism of the taxidermy industry shines through. For the MONEY you tout, you'd just as soon ebay used it to fund those who'd love to see you out of business. I'm sure it makes perfect sense to you, but you seem to live in a vacuum anyway. And that's MY OPINION.
Ok George, I'll tell you why. Because I get "stuck" with an unclaimed mount now and then so I put it on ebay and it sells and I get my money out of it. I also sell antler replicas and ebay is a great place for me to sell them. I have Never pandered any of my "crap" ebay auctions on this site. What taxidermist is going to want to buy a spindley racked shoulder mount that I got stuck with? I wonder the same thing when people offer their ebay auctions on this site,it's preaching to the choir. I make a good living doing taxidermy, thank you, and one of the reasons why, is I know how to recoup a potential loss. Thats just my business acumen shineing through I guess. Rant and rave? You george, are the one that equated me to a [expletive deleted].
We may not always agree. But we must remember that we are on the same side. The old divide and conquer strategy is what the opposition is banking on. And I believe the antis are here on this forum hard at work.
To every taxidermist on this site there are probably at least a hundred hunters to supply them.(not counting the rest of the taxidermists in the US, hunters who dont get their deer mounted, trappers, deer managers, etc.)
Do you think for one minute that theyre going to lie down and let the antis take their rights away? think again,
I think that all animals will come to an end on ebay in time,its coming.
So shall ebay. The only exception to this is "taxidermy done correctly".
Since we're on the subject of boycotting, how many of you shop at Wal-Mart? I don't any longer, not after I found out their business strategy of making suppliers bring down their price every year, forcing companies to send work offshore. I'm also thinking of leaving my fulltime job with a software company because they send work offshore to India. I'll be hard pressed to find the money I'm making there anywhere around me, but I'm going to take the leap of faith and start a taxidermy business and a home computer repair business. I'm planning to market the computer repair end using some kind of USA slogan, because all I hear from end users is that their tired of talking to India support people.
Anyway, my point is Randy's right. If folks could "man up)and spend their money, even if it means digger a little deeper, on something that isn't made overseas then we would see companies pulling more work back to the US. Until this happens you are guaranteed that work will steady be sent to other countries that can get labor for pennies a day
I've responded to a lot of ads here asking for and selling a number of things. Seldom have a gotten any response from anyone. Not even so much as a, "thank you, I've alredy found what I needed". I don't use Ebay that much, but when I have I ALWAYS gotten more than what I have asked for it in responding to requests here. Usually a LOT MORE!
As far as Ebay contributing to the ANTI groups....you'd be hard pressed to find any large corporation in ths country that doesn't contribute to something you don't agree with. Are you going to boycott them all? Even ENRON contributed nearly equally to both parties, it's just a fact of life. Ebay is like any other tool for our business, use it or loose it!