Get over the Judge thing already !

Submitted by James Fischer on 4/13/05 at 8:31 AM. ( Fischer8@aol.com ) 207.241.134.188

The judges are hired as professionals. If you really think that the judge can't objectivly judge your mount because he may know its yours then he would not qualify as a professional...... Oh and Jeanette............wasn't your horse head still wet or at least damp ?Where I come from that is what we call a fatal flaw. I personally do not get along with Jan Van Hosen (as most people it seems) but I beleive that even knowing a mount was mine, she would judge it fairly as a PROFESSIONAL.
If you as a professional taxidermist had a local you really couldn't stand bring in a deer for you to mount........ would you do any less a job for them because of your personal feelings ? You people need to understand one thing which I learned a long time ago in the competition area..............it is only one persons opinion on one day......not the final word in the world.. If you feel that you know more than the judges then why bother to pay them for opinions that you will not except if it is not in line with your assessment. Oh and George.....................YOU ROCK!!.

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James

This response submitted by Jeanette Hall on 4/13/05 at 10:15 AM. ( eagle93245@yahoo.com ) 12.165.105.110

No, I fixed the area by the time the piece was entered into the show thank you very much. That is why I waited until the last minute to enter the horse. Yeah, it is just one person's opinion. That is why I will take it to a few more shows and see how it does. Look, I'm not trying to start some kind of controversy (I already have my hands full with the pet pillow chaos), I was just stating my opinon on the matter. That neck on the horse was absolutely FLAWLESS and to get dinged for it by someone who clearly does not know horses kind of ruffled my feathers. End of story.


Was the Horse shot with a bow or a gun?

This response submitted by Roy Rogers on 4/13/05 at 10:30 AM. ( ) 63.170.184.137

On the mount I have of Trigger, I can still see where Dale shot him with her 243. Perhaps the ruffled skin is where the bullet came out. If I had to mount him again I would consider a pillow mount which could have better hidden the bullet hole. Hindsight is 20 20.

Roy


Roy you are not!

This response submitted by Closer than you think. on 4/13/05 at 10:38 AM. ( www.royrogers.com/museum.html ) 70.178.74.104

You are not even Roy Jr.

Jeanette you know about horses than 98% of the taxidermist.


Just a Little Thin Skinned there ain't you.

This response submitted by Right where I am and I don't see you yet! on 4/13/05 at 11:06 AM. ( ) 12.73.80.43

Get a life.


Well, you just learned a valuable lesson

This response submitted by Jim Tucker on 4/13/05 at 11:50 AM. ( protaxprez@yahoo.com ) 70.32.36.76

I would suspect that most of the judges out there are not well versed in horse anatomy. Personally I haven't mounted any. They can only go with what they see. if you plan on entering odd species be prepared to take some lumps.

If I decide to enter a Tasmanian Devil in competition and the judge dinged me on anatomy I KNOW is right, can I really complain? It is the opinion of the judge that matters.

I spend a LOT of time in competition rooms looking at mounts and assisting on judging. Most of us NEVER get to touch or hit someone else's piece with a flashlight. Until I did what judges do I had the same opinion as many others. After "judging" everyones work like a judge I see it clearly.

This is all part of competition. Until you can accept it you will NEVER have a good time or learn a thing.

Perfect example a McKenzie VS Research Mannikin deer form. They look NOTHING alike. Yet both can be used to make a winning mount. Is one CORRECT and the other WRONG? NO! They are BOTH WRONG. They are only one man's interpretation of a deer.....probably the deer they have in their pen.

In this case BOTH the Judge and the competitor are wrong. The judge was wrong in his knowledge of horse anatomy. The competitor is wrong for entering a NON game animal in a taxidermy show and expecting miracles.


The competitor is wrong for entering a NON game animal?

This response submitted by Craig on 4/13/05 at 12:18 PM. ( ) 66.66.226.122

The competitor is wrong for entering a NON game animal in a taxidermy show and expecting miracles. ?

Since when is a lizard a game animal? Or how about a turtle, or a Saint Bernard. These can all be entered into competition as a taxidermy mount. Last time I looked up the definition of taxidermy it wasn't limited to game species.

If I was to enter some species out of the ordinary realm of normal taxidermy I would make sure I had good reference pictures to dispute any controversy. If the judge wouldn't accept my reference as the specie average then that would create problems for me especially if I had more than one picture disputing his/her claim to the contrary. In the case of a horse I would make sure there were many pictures of the live animal to post with the mount if allowable.


I thought the whole thing was about ethics

This response submitted by Evelyn on 4/13/05 at 12:32 PM. ( ) 205.188.116.195

About a judge who supposedly took a trip to the world show with a competitor whose piece he ended up judging and awarding top honors. Where did all this turn into a horse controversy? Judging is controveral already because of opinions involved in the process. To throw in unethical behaviour of a judge in my eyes just breaks the camels back and is definitely not good for the industry.

I will seriously reconsider entering the next world show, if behaviour like that of the unethical judge is deemed acceptable and even standard of the industry. I rather spend my money on more useful things then, then competing in a show whose winners have been established before the competiton begins. My ten cents worth.


My 2 cents

This response submitted by wildwings on 4/13/05 at 12:47 PM. ( wildwingsstudio@yahoo.com ) 66.188.177.77

I was just sitting back reading the forums when I came across this forum about the judges being fair on there judging. I couldn't help but think this year at the Minnesota state show there was one judge talking about people always beating up on the judges. Said some thing to the fact that the taxidermist is always right and the judges don't know nothing. Then I thought about that statement if that was true how did they get invited to be a judge. Apparently someone thought that they were qualified for the job. Well the fact is that shows are a learning experience and also a ego trip for all of us if it wasn't why would we go to the shows to compete. I guess I wasn't at the world show so I don't really know if it's a fair assumption about the judges helping a friend. I would think though that like someone said earlier that if it was basically public knowledge that a judge rode in with a person competing that the judge would be tougher on that taxidermist. I guess what I'm wondering about is if everyone runs off the judges are you willing to step up and do there job and willing to be fired upon like you are firing upon them. I guess maybe Wet and Wild like you were saying maybe you should have talked to Larry Bloomquist about it before going public. So then you could state all the facts so people know who and what your talking about to voice there options. Maybe there was other people that thought that the mount deserved those awards. Who knows but that's just my 2 cents on the judging.


Send Lawyers Guns and Money

This response submitted by Inex Fields on 4/13/05 at 1:04 PM. ( ) 12.73.80.43

It has hit the fan. So , send Lawyers guns and money, Dad , get me out of this jam.

Judges know all the competitors. Would you have it any other way? Who knows more about taxidermy than a master taxidermist? Do you want a Jury (Judge) of your peers or someone off the street?

Whine, cry, get down on the floor and throw an all out baby tantrum, just get it over with. You will feel better. Get it out of your system.

Conflict is inevitable when the judge it to render an "opinion".

It is a different story, however to challenges a persons ethics based on friendship and a car ride. Our we not better than that?

Does winning a ribbon in the world show equate into so many $$$$$that it's worth all this?

Seems as though a little professionalism could be used on both sides of this argument.


big horse fine

This response submitted by wildlife-artist on 4/13/05 at 1:30 PM. ( ) 69.244.151.177

miniature horses bad. i think next time i will do a miniature deer head and moose head or mybe a bear out of mink fur and a repo fish or toad i have a great mold of one. i can see it now the top 5 competitors awards are all fake taxidermy or should i say repodermy


Jeanette

This response submitted by Big Shot on 4/13/05 at 5:01 PM. ( ) 170.215.255.158

You have to learn to be a better loser,if you want to be a winner.Take a chill pill ,you will get"em next time.


Hey wildlife-artist................

This response submitted by repro man on 4/14/05 at 12:53 PM. ( n/a ) 66.90.200.194


How many repro fish have you ribboned with?


Jeanette...Your mount was..

This response submitted by Donna on 4/14/05 at 8:09 PM. ( foxy_embalmer@yahoo.com ) 207.69.137.11

BEAUTIFUL! I have been wanting to mount a horse for a while. I didn't know where to go when we had to put mine down. Please e-mail me a way to get intouch with you. Thanks Donna


i love repo fish

This response submitted by wildlife-artist on 4/15/05 at 9:21 AM. ( ) 69.244.151.177

lets see if i did a repo fish and i ribboned with it and i took it to 10 shows would that make the ribbons repo too? repo fish ARE not taxidermy.... is fish carving? why not it's a repo? some of the best fish there where caved. i like repo fish i think they look great and they should be in there own categorie away from the taxidermy. and the way it is now i could buy a repo and just paint it and win, how about 4 of the same fish,painted the same way, getting 4 1st and taking someone who mounted 4 skin mounts. they get 3 1st 1 2nd and they are out of the competitors now. cool, that would be just great wouldn't it.o lets see 200hr skin v 8 my be 16 if your slow repo. ya that,s fare. by the way i have to call the d n r to see if i need a license for repos.


Donna

This response submitted by Jeanette Hall on 4/15/05 at 12:32 PM. ( ) 206.194.216.94

You can either call me @ (775)397-1121 or email me from www.jeanettestaxidermy.com. I have some new horse forms that I will be maketing later this summer. I have lifesize colts, 1/2 lifesize jumpers, pedistal mounts, etc. I will also be offering chane out heads for Arabs, Quarters, thoroughbreds, etc. Feel free to give me a call!


Funny stuff

This response submitted by GB on 4/16/05 at 8:30 AM. ( gary@bruchsfish.com ) 63.23.157.194

Your fish education is lacking W. A. First it would be difficult to recieve a blue ribbon on most commercial replica's currently on the market even with a smokin paint job. Second in the Masters Division you must reproduce the fish yourself and to do so at a Blue Ribbon level isn't as easy as one may think. Please experiment with the fish (You still have time to do several for the NTA at 8 hours a fish)and keep us posted as to your winnings. we can argue all day as to whether they are taxidermy, however done correctly they are just as challenging as any other catagory.


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