Liver damage/taxidermy

Submitted by Vicki Chritton-Myers on 10/7/05 at 9:55 PM. ( vchritton-myers@direcway.com ) 69.19.14.33

Hi all,
Long time, no visit here! Been pretty hectic few months. I did go ahead with the gastric bypass on March 30. Spent 3 weeks in the hospital due to complications (almost checked out 3 or 4 times...). Anywho, I'm too tough to kill off easily! LOL!

Good news is: NO MORE DIABETES! Woo-Hoo! And, I've lost 80 lbs. already. No more having to shop at Bozo's Bigtop for clothes! =) I've just recently returned to work, and it feels great!

Bad news is: They discovered why my liver enzymes have been elevated the past few years (some of you may remember my asking questions on here about that and the possible link to taxidermy chemicals). Turns out I have cirrhosis. =( I still plan to continue, but have switched to water-based paints and definitely wear a respirator and gloves! (I know, a bit like closing the barn door after the horse got out...) Hopefully, if I can keep from damaging it any further, I'll still be ticking for a long, long time yet. =)

PLEASE...do take precautions with the toxic chemicals we are around in this business. Wear those uncomfortable, hot, respirators. And those gloves. If you don't have a good ventilation system, get one. Use the least toxic chemicals you can for any given job. Life is short enough as it is.

Oh, one more thing....

GREAT NEWS! Our son, Nick and his wife Nickie are expecting our first GRANDCHILD in April! (Wait...I'm only 47...I'm too YOUNG to be a grandma! Acckkk!) =)

Take care all!

It's nice to be back!

Vicki Chritton-Myers

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it's good to have you back vicki

This response submitted by Griz on 10/7/05 at 10:33 PM. ( ) 69.66.0.116

glad to hear things are going well :)


well, Congrats, Congrats, Bummer, and Congrats

This response submitted by jrosbor on 10/7/05 at 10:50 PM. ( huntersdream3x@hotmail.com ) 64.73.36.192

I hate to be nosey, and on a public forum to boot but, What kind of LFT #'s are we talking about here? How much dammage? I am very interested in the #'s if you don't mind.
Here is why. I have seen what liver failure doe's to people (it's not pretty). I have seen how healthy people can look with good lft's and bad lft's. GGT, AST, ALT, alkaphos, and T. Billi (direct and indirect), can all be quite high and you can still "feel" healthy.
My son's got all the way up to around 500-600 with a T. Billi around 18.5 before he started to "feel" sick. At any rate, It's good to see you back on the forums! Have a good one! Joseph R Osborn (Hunter's Dream Taxidermy)


BTW,

This response submitted by jrosbor on 10/7/05 at 11:03 PM. ( huntersdream3x@hotmail.com ) 64.73.36.192

I made my mom a grandma at 37! LOL! Joe


AST/ALT, etc.

This response submitted by Vicki Chritton-Myers on 10/7/05 at 11:09 PM. ( ) 69.19.14.33

My AST/ALTs were up for the past 3 or 4 years. I'm not sure what the levels were, but the one quack..er, dr....I was seeing at the time told me they were in the 300-400s at one point. But I don't think they are nearly that high now. My C-reactive protein was up, as was my sedimentation rate. The rest of my tests were pretty well normal, except for the diabetes, of course. I felt LOUSY, though. No energy at all. I was also running low-grade fevers. I had 99% of the symptoms of an autoimmune disorder called sarcoidosis (which can also cause liver and other organ damage). I asked the quack if I could have that, but he never bothered to check. Said he doubted I had it. (Funny, he had no problems re-running all the LFT's over and over...same tests for Hep A, C, etc., which were always negative...) Well, along with discovering the cirrhosis, they also removed a tumor that turned out to be...you guessed it...a sarcoid tumor! So, that, too, could have contributed to the cirrhosis.

As to the liver damage, all I know is the surgeon said my liver was the biggest he's seen and he suspected cirrhosis, which was confirmed with the biopsy. (Actually, from what I've been reading, it appears he probably shouldn't have even done the bypass, with those suspicions...many surgeons will close the patient back up if they think there are any liver problems going on...) He told me to avoid further damage if possible, and lead me to believe my liver would hold out. I've not seen a liver specialist yet, but will be doing so. But, I do feel great!

Why is are your son's elevated? (If you don't mind me asking.) Is he a taxidermist, too, by chance? Hope he's doing much better!

Take care!
Vicki =)


My liver enzyme numbers were elevated also.

This response submitted by Todd B on 10/7/05 at 11:57 PM. ( ) 4.224.93.217

My Dr. sent me for an ultrasound to check out my organs. As far as I know he said the pictures look fine but I have to go back for another round of blood work in December to see if they are still up. Everytime I go to the Dr. he asks me if I am a heavy drinker. I sure hope it is nothing. I use water based paints most of the time. I am going to have to try and use the resoirator more I guess.

Todd B


Don't forget...

This response submitted by Vicki Chritton-Myers on 10/8/05 at 12:30 AM. ( ) 69.19.14.34

Don't forget about bondo, many glues, cleaners, tanning chemicals and even the dust from the mannikins...we actually work around some pretty toxic stuff. Even clay that you have to mix with water...where does it come from and what is in it? Inhaling dust from that and everything else can't be good for us.

I'm not a drinker (used to drink very little, anyway). No drugs, other than Tylenol every day, which they say can cause liver damage, but I was told I was taking a "safe" amount (2 to 4 tabs of extra strength a day). I guess we all have to realize all those warnings on the products are there for a reason. No more of the "that happens to other people" syndrome. Serious stuff with serios consequences. But, you hear of people all the time who never used any type of protection from the chemicals and never developed any problems. I've never considered myself a dumb person, but I guess I was pretty stupid to not heed the warnings.


Two part foam

This response submitted by Craig on 10/8/05 at 10:53 AM. ( ) 66.66.229.186

emits some real toxic fumes as it cures.


Vicki, check out the link below and...

This response submitted by marty on 10/8/05 at 11:00 AM. ( ) 24.15.107.136

...have some Kleenex at your side...


http://www3.caringbridge.org/wi/hunters/


Thank you, Marty!

This response submitted by Vicki Chritton-Myers on 10/8/05 at 8:34 PM. ( ) 66.82.9.81

Thank you, Marty, for supplying the above link. What a terribly sad story to have to read! I feel so bad for the Osborn family. To lose a child is a parent's worst nightmare, one I pray I never have to face. Joseph, if you read this, please accept my condolences. I know it had to be so very painful, what your family and son went through. I signed your guestbook and you will continue to be in my prayers.


Vicki

This response submitted by Alex on 10/8/05 at 11:36 PM. ( ) 66.32.78.32

See if your doctor will prescribed CEPHOL , it is the only vitamin supplement that requires a prescription, it is for the liver.

I have a friend that was terminal with the same disease and now is 90% recovered after a year on Cephol.

My mother and Step father both had Hepatitis A from a seafood they ate and now are totally healed.

If not then he can prescribed Beroca Supplement also does as well.


Thanks Alex!

This response submitted by Vicki Chritton-Myers on 10/9/05 at 5:15 AM. ( ) 66.82.9.82

Will check into it!

=)


2 part urethanes emit isocyanate.

This response submitted by Rorie on 10/9/05 at 8:51 PM. ( ) 67.141.91.104

isocyanate is a form of cyanide. Anytime you are dealing with any catylized materials use exhaust fans and protective mask and COLTHING! GLOVES!


Yes I'm still here.

This response submitted by jrosbor on 10/12/05 at 10:47 PM. ( huntersdream3x@hotmail.com ) 64.73.36.192

Thanks for the words Vicki. I have learned a lot about the organs over the years... I am often asked by doctors if I am a doctor! The liver is a very strong organ. Look at people who drink a lot and yet it still rebounds. I Don't think your liver will get "better" but I don't think it will get much worse. I remember a DR. telling me you can live off of about 15% of your livers full capability(sp). Do what you can to keep it from getting worse and leave the rest to the Dr.'s and God. Have a good one! Joe


Same here

This response submitted by Vicki Chritton-Myers on 10/17/05 at 4:25 PM. ( vchritton-myers@direcway.com ) 66.82.9.30

Our now 18 year old son had open heart surgery when he was three. He's had a few other problems along the way. I've had at least 8 (that I can remember!) major surgeries over the years (6 of those since December 99!) A couple of drs. and nurses have asked me the same thing. It's amazing how much a person can learn during the course of an illness of their own or a loved one's. I can't begin to count the hours I've spent researching various organs and diseases.

Thanks for the encouraging words! I'm doing my best to protect it from further damage. Again, so sorry to hear of your terrible loss.

~Vicki


Same here

This response submitted by Vicki Chritton-Myers on 10/17/05 at 4:25 PM. ( vchritton-myers@direcway.com ) 66.82.9.30

Our now 18 year old son had open heart surgery when he was three. He's had a few other problems along the way. I've had at least 8 (that I can remember!) major surgeries over the years (6 of those since December 99!) A couple of drs. and nurses have asked me the same thing. It's amazing how much a person can learn during the course of an illness of their own or a loved one's. I can't begin to count the hours I've spent researching various organs and diseases.

Thanks for the encouraging words! I'm doing my best to protect it from further damage. Again, so sorry to hear of your terrible loss.

~Vicki


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