Please help! slippage on coyote ears

Submitted by Jason on 01/03/2003. ( ) 12.15.56.179

I have tanned 6 coyote pelts with Lutan-F. Three of them turned out perfect, and three have had hair slippage on an ear. I have tried to take good care of the furs before the tanning process, always skinning them within a couple hours. I would like to know if there is something different I can do to make sure the hair doesn't slip on the ears. The rest of the pelt turns out great, and it's usually just one ear that does it. I Follow the directions exactly, but would it help to add more acid to the pickle? I would like to get my success ratio a little higher than 50%. Thanks in advance for any advice you guys might have.

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many reasons

This response submitted by Frank E. Kotula on 01/03/2003. ( basswtrout@aol.com ) 172.130.156.134

How were these dogs handled. Did you obtain them or were they cleint dogs. How were they handled when they came in your shop. Did you wear some type of gloves to help keep the heat off the ears when you were skinning and turning them?
Bacteria is the main problem and none of it can be your fault. They eat raw meat lick the paws and preen themselves with feet that have the bacteria on it.
Heat if the dogs weren't cooled down quickly and the head was covered or near a heat source troubles again.
PH level. You didn't say or tell us how you handle the dog after you skinned it. Did you place it right in the pickle or did you do things like: salt for 24 hrs, shake off and resalt for another, hang and let air dry in a cool place, rehydrate, pickle PH level 2.0 for three days, shave, repickle, neturlize, tan and oil. This is the way I do all mammals and never had a problem. The only time I had problems is because of the way they handled their mammal and I told them that day it would be troubles cause of what they did and no garuntees on it.


Could be simple as body fluids pooling on the head

This response submitted by John C on 01/03/2003. ( ) 64.216.172.43

A lot of people still dont understand that body fluids must drain away, one thing that really helps is to have a slanted salt table and the table should be made of slats to allow air to circulate.

Never stack hides while salting.

Go ahead and put a fan canivore hides when you first salt them.

Again Air Circulation is the key to drying hides.

The longer the hide stays damp the higher chances of slippage are.

Drying the hide fast also will let you be a little slack in other areas of tanning.


A little more info

This response submitted by Jason on 01/03/2003. ( ) 12.23.184.78

To answer your questions, these were all coyotes I obtained myself, none were any clients dogs, so I know they were skinned out within three to four hours, and the temperatures is uaually in the 20's. Yes, I do wear rubber gloves when I am skinning. Maybe you can help me here though, I have not air dried a hide. I put one immediatly in the pickle which came out with slippage on the ear, the rest I put in the freezer immediatly after skinning until I was ready to start pickling, and I put them in the pickle frozen. These were the ones where some worked and some didn't. Is air drying a hide absolutely neccesary if it is put in the pickle right away? Thanks for the responses guys.


slippage

This response submitted by scott on 01/03/2003. ( ) 24.72.46.41

when your turning the ears try keeping some ice handy and keep applying the ice to the ears every couple of minutes to keep them cool.turn your ear's before you turn anything else. then place ice cube wraped in plastic in thi ear to keep it cold wile turning eyes,nose works for me never had a problem this way


What about salt?

This response submitted by Paul on 01/03/2003. ( Paulstax2000@yahoo.com ) 68.85.39.7

After turning and fleshing why did you not dry salt them? Thats the way to set the hair and remove unwanted fluids. Just curious.


Salt

This response submitted by AJ on 01/05/2003. ( ) 216.174.233.135

Keep trying Jason. It is a must to turn, salt, dry, then rehydrate in saltwater before pickeling.


thanks for the advice guys

This response submitted by Jason on 01/06/2003. ( ) 12.23.185.137

Thanks guys, I will keep trying with all the new advice. I do have one more question, does anyone know if it matters if the hide is skin side out or fur side out in the processes of tanning with lutan-F and when the tanning process is finished, which side should be out first? I just do this stuff as a hobby, but I don't let myself give in until I get it right either.


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