freeze.....thaw.....freeze......thaw

Submitted by Wolfe on 04/22/2004 at 09:05. ( ) 12.217.9.230

I just bought a couple of frozen deer capes off Ebay. They arrived partially thawed. I threw them back into the freezer right away.

Will they be ok?
Can freezing and re-freezing damage the capes?

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Wolfe

This response submitted by Sandy Sylvester on 04/22/2004 at 09:16. ( sandals@dandy.net ) 209.158.66.2

Your capes should be fine. That is normal when having items shipped to you. Just keep your freezing and thawing to a minimum. Be sure when you take your capes out next time you get on with the tanning process.


Don't know

This response submitted by Dean on 04/22/2004 at 09:27. ( ) 67.4.173.74

Refreezing won't damage the cape. Theb damage is done during the time it is unthawed. How fresh were they when they were skun and frozen the first time. How long were they unthawed from when they were shipped


UNTHAWED? That definition means the cape is

This response submitted by Geez people on 04/22/2004 at 09:46. ( ) 66.233.157.155

The prefix of UN reverses the meaning of the word, thaw/thawed.

So what Dean is saying means the cape was damaged while it was frozen.

Skun? Where did you find that word? The proper word is skinned.

My english is poor, but Dean your usage is worse. Should someon know a bit more about grammer than you and I. You could really confude them.


You are right

This response submitted by PA on 04/22/2004 at 10:59. ( ) 147.72.68.109

Your grammar (not grammer) surely does confound (not confude) someone (with an e to be correct). Personally I like the word "skun" which is in common usage in many circles (even in the archives 19 times).


Skun certianly is not a word and is well used in redneck

This response submitted by Geez people on 04/22/2004 at 12:38. ( ) 66.233.157.155

Great word for the people that have spit dripping out of the corner of thier mouth and can only charge less than three hundred dollars for thier work. Look at the circles of using the term.
Several people have mentioned how some of the knowledge in the archieves is old and there must be newer knowledge available.
Yes Sir, just because its used in the archives does not mean it is correct.We as taxidermist need to raise our standard. We need to associate our prices our quality with better and current knowledge.

How many taxidermist would approach a client with one or two safari groups to mount and say "When those are skun out, you need to do such and such."

My bet is those clients will go somewhere else with thier work. There is enough work for everyone, when you teach quality.


Hey, the word is directly from the Museum field

This response submitted by PA on 04/22/2004 at 14:19. ( ) 147.72.68.109

The word was used routinely by Taxidermists and Preparators at the Field Museum and the Milwaukee Public Museum back at least 25 years ago. I know that no famous quality taxidermists ever worked at these establishments - like Carl Akeley or Leon Pray or John Moyer, Floyd Easterman, Greg Septon, Jules Freisser, - just a bunch of uneducated slobs right?

I am all for using proper grammar and word usage but if everyone used the language that existed we would still be talking in Middle English. Here is an example quote from Chaucer -

As thai haf writen and sayd,
Haf I al in my Inglish layd
In simple speche, as I couthe,
That is lightest in mannes mouthe

The English language changes through time with words being dropped from the dictionary and other being added. Eventually the word skun may be accepted.


Grammar lesson for the day!

This response submitted by Steve A. on 04/22/2004 at 15:28. ( ) 216.129.231.7

Is this a grammar forum or a taxidermy forum? Personally I've heard the word skun before and kind of like it. Maybe I'm just one of those Northern Red-Necks you hear about and occaisionally I do have drool running out of my mouth when I'm doing a mount I really like. But I still don't think we need to split hairs over English usage on this type of forum. Some people are better spellers and punctuaters than others. What I really am looking for "here" is advice on tanning and taxidermy. Not a lesson in English....Steve (starts with an s and ends with an e)


Hey "Geez People"!

This response submitted by Susan on 04/22/2004 at 15:42. ( designhabitat@earthlink.net ) 165.247.173.162

As long as your are wanting to split hairs, have you ever heard of a "double negative"? Well, 'un-thawed' is one . But, nevertheless, what you refer to as being "redneck" -and basically infering our ignorance from the tone of your response- is what we call "JARGON". This (jargon) is the specialized vocabulary of those in the same work, way of life, etc. It's been around for years, and will be here for many more. GET WITH THE PROGRAM! Even YOU have to learn this jargon-whether you want to use it or not-in order to participate in an intelligent conversation about (or on) our chosen field of artistic expression. You know.. Taxidermy! All job situations have their own forms of jargon. You say your English is poor, and our usage is worse, but I wonder...did anyone ever teach you the standard/accepted rules concerning good manners and speech? I WILL NOT presume to tell someone that's been practicing our art for 44 YEARS that HE is wrong about ANYTHING concerning taxidermy because I want to learn from him. If we don't respect each other, no one learns anything. When you can translate various forms of the language(Jargon) that pertains to Taxidermy, then you have the key to open a vast mysterious wonderland. WHEN you need to translate this "taxidermy language" for your customers...do it. Don't complain about associates that are conversing in a language that you are unused to-just because you want to. Get Over Yourself. -
P.S. Why didn't you give your address? Or give a real moniker so we'll know who you are? ...I did. - Susan


To PA

This response submitted by Susan on 04/22/2004 at 15:51. ( ) 165.247.173.162

Don't forget about the contributing Taxidermists at the Smithsonian Museum. Paul Rhymer is an excellent taxidermist and habitat specialist. Keep looking, you'll find more that you'll recognize.
-Susan


So do we let beginner learn improper terms?

This response submitted by Geez people on 04/22/2004 at 16:13. ( ) 66.233.157.155

We as Professionals must start teaching correct term use. We get sloppy with use and incorrect use of verbs then pass it on? So when we pass on poor American English verb use, we also bring the respect level shown by high-end clients down.

Example.
Jimmy beginner read the word skun, noone tells him different. Later in his life he is writing a paper on taxidermy, the teacher has to ask "What did you intend to say?" Jimmy beginner gets a F for this paper.

Now that you see only a few taxidermist would use the word "skun" why inflict the poor grammatical use on the industry for life.

Taxidermy has a chance to grow in the next few years, its time to correct past mistakes.

With the anti's all around use we need to police our ranks and start changing. The NTA is trying to/too, but yet we drag ourselves down.

This is not about twenty post from the past using the term. Its about twenty post for the future.

Past use will not make current, nor future use correct.


listen

This response submitted by mike on 04/22/2004 at 16:48. ( ) 192.45.72.27

just because you have not heard a word does not mean it is not a word. Try first thinking that maybe you are not omniscient and maybe there are things in this life you don't know yet. Maybe you are the uneducated one that has never been exposed to jargon?


Hey "Geez people

This response submitted by Susan on 04/22/2004 at 17:09. ( ) 165.247.174.241

I'm still trying to figure this out; was that supposed to be "poor american english verbage use", "poor american english verb usage", or "poor English verb usage"? I vote for just plain old "poor english verbal abuse", says it all-don't you think? -Susan


Off the subject

This response submitted by Dean on 04/22/2004 at 21:31. ( ) 67.4.184.252

Wasn't the topic about if his capes were being damaged by being frozen more than once. I hear a lot of us in the Midwest say unthaw. It must have poor english teachers up here.


First of all...

This response submitted by The Rookie on 04/23/2004 at 02:10. ( NaturesTrophies,aol ) 205.188.116.130

I hate the word "unthaw". If you "un" something, you reverse what you did initialy.(common sense) But to the point. If you're freezing and thawing something numerous times you're asking for an oops! If you get something thawed then you should do what you have to to get it at least salted. Bacterias work in weird ways, and not always the most opportune! I'm assuming the capes you got were green. Peace- Jeff F.


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