Normally I don't respond to any post but I felt your post yesterday needed addressed. Allow me to set the "facts" straight. First, let me assure you that this is not a reinvention of the wheel. Second, Krowtann does not contain a drop of sulfuric acid in it. If you would only stop and take a minute to read on the label what is in it, you would know that there is zero sulfuric acid in Krowtann. Third, the inventor of Krowtann has been using it for approximately 20 years. The inventor says that the mounts are as good as the day they went out the door. Unfortunately, I am not the inventor, however, I do feel extremely fortunate to be the distributor of the finest tan that I have ever used! People that have used our forms, panels, and supplies know that we only deal in top notch products. I would not associate my name with anything that was not top notch.In regards to your comment about shrinkage, absolutely no pins or brads are required for a mount that has been tanned with Krowtann, because shrinkage is virtually nonexistant. If shrinkage occurs it is because of poor fleshing techniques. Furthermore, Krowtann has proven itself in the competition arena. In 2002, I won National Champion in gameheads. In 2003, Rick Carter won North American Champion in deer heads. In 2004, I won North American Champion in small mammals. On the cover of Taxidermy Today's latest issue, there is a beautiful deer mounted by Don Stevens that was tanned with Krowtann. In the next issue of Taxidermy Today and Breakthrough there will be some photos of state winners not to mention IGT awards and others that it has to its credit. This is just a small sampling of how Krowtann has proven its self in competition. In closing, let me remind you how skeptical people were of microwaves when they first came out and look at them now. So, in regards to Krowtann, Lord willing, JUST HIDE AND WATCH! JUST MY OPINION.
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I'm not arguing you over business practices. Far from it and from the multitude of dumbass questions asked on here about the product, I can only assume that it's selling well. From a marketing aspect, however, one of two things is evident: (1) you have some dumb customers who haven't a clue about what they're doing OR (2) you are not providing sufficient/detailed information for them to use the product.
Lets talk sulfuric acid. I DID say it had the smell of sulfuric and it DOES. Whether or not it is actually in there, is irrelevant. It contains ALUM. Alum is only one of two products which are Aluminum sulfate (Al2(SO4)3), or Aluminum Potassium sulfate (AlK(SO4)3-12H2O). The source of your sulfuric acid (H2SO4 or "hydrogen sulfate") is sitting right there like a timebomb and I don't need to be chemistry major to figure that out. Sulfur(actually "sulfate" which is SO4) retained in the skin is only awaiting the addition of water down the road.
I'm well aware of your qualifications and those of the people you named, and I'm certainly no one to ever question their characters or choices of techniques. BUT I also know even Don Stevens has questioned tanning skins for mounts with an ongoing test of mounts done with tan, DP, and nothing at all. I strongly suspect that within a very short time, Glen Conley is going to come up with an elixir that is going to throw taxidermy tanning into a tizzy, but that's only speculation on my part.
As I stated in my post, that was all MY OPINION. When people ask, I'm going to give it and time has proven TO ME that ONE TIME, my opinion has been proven to be correct. Maybe in 20 years, this one will prove wrong, but if it doesn't, I'll never have been accused of not having told someone so. For the sake of the industry and those who use the product, I sincerely hope YOU are right in your opinion.
Just my personal opinion but from the directions that a friend read to me it is backward. Let me get this straight. You remove the red meat and fat and throw it into the Krowtan for however long and flesh and thin afterward? If this is true, how are the chemicals getting to the skin through the membrane that is still on the skin. By the way he has had major problems with hair slip.
im no fan of home tanning for commercial work (because im real slow at the wheel) if i cant do what the tannery gives me in 30mins its worth the 35 bucks to me. ill tell you this though, i used krowtan in the past and will continue, anytime i get an iffy critter or head it goes right into the krowtan, nothing i ever used locked loose hair like this stuff does, i might add the directions cant get any simpler, if you blotch it with this stuff your in the wrong field and if your getting shrinkage and cracking with krowtann, its because of your preperation skills. its not a miracle tan, you cant skip proper prep work, as for the moisture and alum issue, i hope what my customers are paying they dont expose their trophies to the four seasons
George,
I'm sorry you feel compelled to answer "dumb" questions about Krowtann. If you were in the supply business, you would know the tremendous turnover in taxidermy. Most of the beginners are on the net trying to find out more about taxidermy. I've seen you get upset at questions asked that were maybe answered a few days prior. Please realize that not everybody spends as much time on the net as you do. If someone asks your opinion, this is America, give it. However, I have an easy solution for you when it is a question just thrown out for anyone to answer.....DON'T RESPOND. If you feel you have to respond, then I have another solution for this dilema.......tell them to call somebody that knows what is in the tan and the people who have tested it....OZARK WOODS 1-800-467-0369 It will not cost them a dime. Thanks Brian
I will glady do that again, but if you check, John Creager has told these people a dozen times to call you as well. I'm glad you posted your number there. I'll dogear this thread so I can refer them to it in the future (which I'm almost positive will be within a day or two. LOL)
George is right it has alum in it. It might not say " sulphuric acid " but throw in some of this Louisiana weather and you will have it. In Louisiana you don't have to put your trophy "out side" to expose it to the four seasons just having it in your house is bad enough.
If it is an Alum tan it will produce solfuric acid so lets please get on past this. Those of us that are beginners ought to be required to click on the orange button before asking the question.
I am a beginner that has learned alot from George, Cur, Super Pig and others. Once I got scolded by George for asking a Liqua Tan question and I learned to use the orange button. I don't know what I would do If George or one of the other Old Timers quit Answering Post on here. If a person is to be a good artist they have to learn to take critiziim.
now lets get on with the show!
I was told today via phone that I got quoted in a recent krowtann post, so I thought Id jump into this for a sec...
Yes, I was one of those guys who stated that you cant do it like the EasyBake Oven and throw all the ingredients in and expect a finished product, like a frosted cake. I believe at the time I was referring to the auto tanner, among other techniques Ive questioned. I also stated that, while I hadnt used the auto tanner, they did seem to work, from what I was hearing back. Simply put, I couldnt explain its success, but I wasnt going to bad mouth it, only question it.
Well, the same thing applies here with Krowtann. Hey, I bought some just like anyone else. I mounted a fox and a deer using it as directed. I dont know how to explain the process, and some parts make me wonder, or question it. But, the fact is it worked, and Im not discrediting it.
I just wanted to be clear on that.