What happened here? I am gone for a couple weeks getting work done and come back to see that only George and Oldshaver are left to hold down the fort.
Bill Yox gone? Some prick ran him off? That doesn't sound like Bill. I guess I got some catching up to do. Oh EARL! No wonder.
I read your post below about tanneries Oldshaver and there were some very good points in there about the questions to ask. I happen to agree with pretty much all of them. The one thing I noticed about your post though was the fact that you champion keeping all the skins in house.
Now you know my history and I know yours and I also know that some skins get sent across country to California. I don't see a problem with that. As far as rhino, elephant, hippo, and giraffe go, I have seen them go to California many times. Has that recently changed since you seem to be saying that you do everything now? Or am I missing something here in your post?
Just curious, not trying to put you on the spot.
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LMAO Hard to believe maybe, but that Earl and Bill get along.
a period of a couple of years, yes. The list is much longer than the one you gave. Zebra, eland, cape buffalo, crocs, bison, etc. My point as you probablly know, is you cant claim to be the biggest and best, if you are not capable of doing it all. Its kinda like a one legged baseball player claiming to be the best ball player in the league. Sure, he can hit, throw, and catch, but he cant run the freaking bases. (before anyone says it, no, I am not making fun of the handicapped)
The short list was the list of skins sent out, not the ones that stay. I can't remember any Cape Buffalo, Zebra, or eland going out to another tannery. I do however remember large bison bulls, large crocs, and all giraffe hides not being done in house. Also, the rhino's and hippo's all went cross country.
I ain't picking on you, but if it is more cost effective to out source a large, difficult to handle skin, then why not? The extent of the out sourcing is usually relative to the size of the tanning operation.
I know that being able to handle all skins would be a selling point for you, and that point is well taken. I don't see anything wrong with utilizing resources if available.
There are two tanneries that I know of out West that have over 25 shavers on the machines. They both do a fair job with the work. I used to think that an excellent shaver was hard to come by, then I visited several tanneries that had new shavers (under 3 years training) and the product was not that different from what I had seen. It was a humbling experience for me because I used to think that the situation I was in was unique... not so. Good shaving can be developed within two years. I have seen that for a fact.
Bill Yox.... Hope you are doing well these days if you are reading this, and George, thanks for the clarification.
As my posts usually are, there was a hint of competitiveness in the origional. Take YOUR list, add mine, thats what is getting farmed out to other tannerys. Read Breakthrough, out sourcing being relative to the size of the tannery makes my point. Dont crow it if you aint got it, unless it is ok to lie while advertising.
Your tannery farms out skins too. Unless things have changed inthe lst twenty four months. Your tannery sends the rhinos and the hippos and the large giraffes to California...That is the point.
Are you saying that the hippos and rhinos are being done by you now? I just can't beleive that you would want to do those huge skins.
Did you not read the post earlier?(if you consider recent a couple of years, yes)After you asked if something changed recently. This is the second time I have answered this question. You must have not seen Breakthrough lately- a photo of Kevin standing beside a lifesize giraffe with a straight knife in his hand. I will get back to this tonight- gotta go to work.
After years of sending it out, your tannery decides to keep all the skins in house and now you are using that as a platform to sell your competitive edge.
Ok, no problem with that. But why make it an issue if a smaller tannery sends their skins out and claims they can do it all? Maybe they want to use their time more wisely than doing those heavy skins. If they can do more deer or bear in the time it takes to do one lifesize giraffe, then that seems OK too.
I realize your point is truth in advertising and I also realize what you are saying about being able to offer full service tanning. I know that you are making a competitive pitch to get business. I have no problem with that either.
My only issue is that for years it was OK for your tannery to farm skins out. Now you are saying that if others do and advertise that they can do it all, then they are not walking the walk that they talk.
Sort of do as I say and not as I do right?
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from my presense on here! THAT IS A FACT! The skins going in the box, and out the door, get our work! Hell most of the people on here dont even like me. I have had arguements with half of them at one time or another. Been averaging about 2 or 3 new customers a day over the last 6 months. Yea, I guess that comes from me being on this site. The only reason anyone knows exactly where I work is because you told them. By the way, why dont you tell the name of your business? Is it because you dont want the name of your business associated with this petty BS. Thing have changed tremendously in the last 25 months. Not only has morale greatly improved with some 25 employees, so has productivity and quality control. During the last 30 months, nothing has been shipped by my employer except skins tanned by him. Times in the fur dressing world have changed. Its too competitive of a market to be sending your skins out to help someone elses bottom line now. Are you going to help support the only business that is keeping your competition in business? You need to catch up with the times in this business. I also see you failed to mention that the company I work for HAD THE EQIPTMENT, AND KNEW HOW TO OPERATE IT, when it sent some skins out in the past. My point is very few Tannerys do! You dont know whats going on here anymore, so get over it. You make wild acusations, not knowing the facts. Hence the disclaimer I guess. Heres a few tidbits for you, when you gave the count on the number of wet drums my employer has,about a month or two ago, you misses 4 that have been operation for over a year. Four hydrolic drums holding 200 deer capes each, bringing the total number of deer pumped out every 9 days to over 2000. This has been going on for months now! A new mezaninne for drying racks over 5000 sqft, with an elevator. Since I am on here for advertising purposes, why not do it? Oh, did I mention that the whitetail hides my employer puts out are softer than my toilet paper. When you feel that you have to put a disclaimer on something you say, it shows you have an axe to grind. Isnt it a little late for a disclaimer, considering your pasts posts.
I just pointed out that you are on your high horse about other tanneries and the way they advertise themselves. You always get a burr under your saddle when the new Breakthrough Magazine comes out with the new ads in it. You really need to take a chill pill.
The disclaimer is a joke that was started on here a few weeks back, not anything that has to do with you personally.
I see you totally avoided my original point all along so this must be a disussion that is going to go exactly nowhere. As usual you have turned it into a "Me against You" thing.
I really do understand what you are saying, but why all the rest of the stuff you had to throw out in the end? It really matters not a hill of beans to me that you have your opinion about how to do business on the Net. That is why this is a free and open forum. But come on, you need to have a thicker hide if this all gets to you that much!
As far as being out of touch, thanks for keeping me updated! I'll talk to ya later.
Your Bud,
Dave