i know pressure would force the pickle in between the corium fibers.but is time essential for that pickle to soak into each individual corium fiber?or does pressure compensate for time.does it adequetly compensate for time exposure.or is it better because of pressures?
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that is using corium in the text? I thought that word went the way of the Gladiators.
I answered a question once before that covered the areas you are asking about. The thread is 17 k in length. Have yer dictionary handy.
www.taxidermy.net/forums/TanningArticles/05/e/05B7865279.html
Belive it or not. I did print that off and still read it time to time and every time I do read it I pick something up.
Joe
Glen did that hurt your brain writing that.you know nasa is hiring.I see i have some reading and desifering to do.but yes that sheds light on what i was wanting to know.thanks.
National Agency for Stupid Adults? Yeah, I interviewed for that.
The interviewer said, "Well, you missed the paper when you made your X, and wrote it on the table. We were looking for someone that could get their X on the application form. Now, very slowly, and very carefully, hand me the crayon before you get hurt."
My head sure hurt after that interview. Lots of trick questions like, were you present at your birth, did your momma have any children that lived? Uh, how am I 'spose to know these things? I bet none of you guys can remember if you were present at your birth either.
Anyways, Jody, here's another one in the Archives that's got some good info in it. Keep yer Webster handy, Google can also give you lots of info on a lot of the new words.
Salting and its effect on cellular material (05/15/2003) www.taxidermy.net/forums/IndustryArticles/03/e/03CECE023A.html
What a number of us play with is bassackwards of the traditional salt treatment. There are other tried and true methods that work, and actually might well be yielding superior results for taxidermy mounting. You will see in the article what DOES NOT happen with salt dried skins as far as cell contents (the nutrient part).
What I've been pushing for years is to use an acid/salt water solution as a pre-soak. That was before STOP-ROT. Since then, the STOP-ROT treatment first, followed by the acid pre-soak has really flushed the crud (mad scientist term) out of capes and skins. What you will have done is to rupture the skin cells, plus drawn the extra-cellular fluids from between the collagen fibres.
The acid pre-soak can actually be done with a number of different acids, BUT some definitely do work better than others. To define that statement, the object of the game is to selectively remove unwanted organics without disrupting the skin structures that you are wanting to keep and preserve. I cringe at hearing oxalic acid in conjunction with the pickle word in whitetail tanning. The pigments that surround the cell structures on the hollow portion of deer hair can be fairly easily destroyed, which makes for a faded hair on a mount, and I'm not so sure that structural strength of the hair isn't also compromised with the removal of the pigment.
The acid formulation that I came up with works real well for the pre-soak. I have found an acid that is better, but the price is a little salty. However, it takes such small amounts of it in application as a pre-soak treatment cost isn't too bad. I have sent Joe and a couple of the other guys some of it to play with, and it did give them a case of culture shock.
All you have to do is dissolve three pounds of salt in three gallons of water, then add just enough acid to take the pH just below 6. 5.6 to 6 works fine. Depending on how dirty a cape is, twenty to thirty minutes in the pre-soak will usually clean out a lot of organic material from the skin. If it is real bloody, or is something that has been drug through a plowed clay rich field, you might want to repeat. Proceed with your normal routine from there.
The above description will also alllow a skin to salt dry really quick as compared to just using salt alone. However, salt drying isn't really needed.
Jody, this stuff is really a lot like this computer thang. New names to go along with new functions. Once you learn the language and what these skin thangs are, and learn what a handful of chemicals can do, you can start getting tricky real quick.
There isn't any doubt in my feeble little mind that there is still a LOT left to be figured out and discovered using pressure and chemicals.
Another area that I once thought was a possibility I now regard as a probability is that of a freezer tan. I've done the sequences on that one over time and it would probably be just a matter of time to get things to the point of being practical in application (finding the time for that one isn't looking good for a long time to come).
Collagen has been a HOT R&D subject in the food, health and beauty and medical industries for a number of years now. Many will know collagen as the shavings that comes off the round knife. I suspicion that there is a lot of discoveries that have been made by researchers that could be utilized in the taxidermy trade. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see some of that info eventually trickle into mainstream media. Be ready to learn new words.
Jody, have I gave you enough to think about?
thanks glen thats more than enough to think about for awhile.