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Title: ? for the Bear Experts. - Pics of mount on base added 4-22-08
Post by: J P Baker on February 29, 2008, 05:17:16 PM
 I have a Black Bear in my shop and the customer was told by the guide that it was a once in a life time Bear and It is the only one he had seen in all of his 25 years of hunting Bear. I know BS comes to mind but, any Input and thoughts about the Bear only, would be nice.

 The Bear was taken in New Mexico and is a Black Bear 5'- 8" nose to tail dry tanned before soak-up. The hair is Silver in color down its back and black on its head and legs.

Is this normal or odd for Blacks?

I will post a photo a little later.
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Post by: KevinH on February 29, 2008, 08:05:31 PM
Sounds like a pretty big bear any numbers on the weight of it?  Also, Im not really sure what your talking about with the silver, guess Ill have to see a picture. 
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Post by: Jim B on February 29, 2008, 10:44:26 PM
I saw one killed last year that had a silver face and feet and I believe,some silver hairs through the body.It was an ancient old sow from Saskatchewan.I saw one skin from MT that was silver like that but only about a 200 lb. bear.Not sure how it got that way.It looked like a glacier bear.I would consider it very rare to see one that color.
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Post by: Riddler on February 29, 2008, 11:30:19 PM
I got one in a few years ago from Alaska that had about an equal mix of silver and black hair.
It was a very old sow also, with all most no teeth left.
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Post by: J P Baker on March 01, 2008, 02:35:41 PM
The bear skull measures 18 14/16" B&C

My customer said it was aged at 5/6 years.

In the photo all that you see as blue is really Silver.
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Post by: [email protected] on March 01, 2008, 02:43:09 PM
I would call that a bear of a lifetime.
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Post by: George Roof on March 01, 2008, 02:46:44 PM
It would damned sure be a "bear of a lifetime" for me.  Exceptional trophy.
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Post by: J P Baker on March 01, 2008, 03:00:12 PM

That is what the Guide told Him.

 It will be a Life size mount, I'll be starting it in a week or two.


 
It would damned sure be a "bear of a lifetime" for me.  Exceptional trophy.
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Post by: ChadF on March 01, 2008, 09:36:17 PM
I have killed alot of bears (ALOT) and have never seen anything like that I would love to see more pics of the bear and especially the completed mount.
DEFFINATELY A BEAR OF A LIFETIME
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Post by: J P Baker on March 03, 2008, 05:52:00 PM
Here is a photo after tanning.
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Post by: Greg Waite on March 03, 2008, 07:12:03 PM
That is one of the best looking bear hides that I have ever seen. Def. a once in a lifetime!
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Post by: George Roof on March 03, 2008, 07:17:10 PM
What a gorgeous animal. 
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Post by: Jim B on March 03, 2008, 10:42:06 PM
That is a beauty.It will make a great mount.Glad to hear he's not rugging it.
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Post by: Tony on March 04, 2008, 02:52:48 PM
I have been hunting bears the past 18 years and have killed alot of them from all over the states and canada. I have never seen one like that. Truely a beutiful bear and cant wait to see the finished peice.
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Post by: ChadF on March 04, 2008, 10:32:26 PM
please be sure to post pics when it is mounted
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Post by: J P Baker on March 04, 2008, 11:04:04 PM
I will post up photos when it is mounted.
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Post by: rbear on March 05, 2008, 11:53:09 AM
That is a beauty. If it would have came from Alaska it would be called a glacier bear.
Ralph
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Post by: xman on March 06, 2008, 08:38:17 AM
shot a large old sow about 10 years ago  that had a big silver streak down its side  I would say 3wx18lng. needless to say the tannery sent me the wrong hide back. never did get her back!!!  that is a very unique trophy you are mounting there!
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Post by: boandlady on March 06, 2008, 10:47:28 AM
Beautiful bear.  There is no doubt that is a trophy of a lifetime.
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Post by: J P Baker on April 18, 2008, 01:50:47 AM
Time to post a few photos.

Its mounted but not finished yet.
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Post by: J P Baker on April 18, 2008, 01:52:03 AM
1 more
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Post by: Roger E on April 18, 2008, 01:53:15 AM
Nicely done!
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Post by: J P Baker on April 18, 2008, 01:58:13 AM
I started the base but ran out of foam so, while I'm waiting on it to come in I started with the dirt anyway.
After I finish foaming I'll come back and add the rest of the ground clutter so the dirt is not so clean looking.

Sorry for the blurry photos,battery was going out in the camera.  I'll repost clear photos tomarrow.
Title: Re: ? for the Bear Experts. - Pics of the mount added
Post by: George Roof on April 18, 2008, 09:44:22 AM
What a gorgeous animal.  Just a question.  Did you back brush it or blow it backwards with shop air?  It looks as if it's groomed down a bit and I suspect that hide would glisten if all the hairs were standing up.  Still, it's hard to notice anything other than that beautiful coat.  Nice work.
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Post by: ChadF on April 18, 2008, 10:03:30 AM
very nice
thanks for the pics,   Please keep them posted as you integrate the bear on the base.
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Post by: Jim B on April 18, 2008, 10:16:00 AM
Beautiful.You did a nice job.I like the face and feet work.That's a New Mexico bear.I doubt if it's going to fluff up more than it is.It's beautiful.That's one lucky guy.
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Post by: George Roof on April 18, 2008, 10:20:10 AM
THanks Jim, I forgot it was a "warm weather" bear. LOL.  Sorry for the comment J.P.  It is nice work and that diorama is great looking.  This guy better appreciate what he's getting.
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Post by: Rich H. on April 18, 2008, 01:20:08 PM
Thats an awesome looking bear.
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Post by: J P Baker on April 18, 2008, 01:26:30 PM
Thanks guys, Yes I did fluff with air, I use a leaf blower. Looking at the photo it looks a little brushed but I did it with the blower. Here is a photo from the same series of picture taking from a different angle and it looks fluffed. So I think it is the silver gives it a laid down and streaky look in the fur. Warm weather Bear, yes the fur is about 6" at its longest.
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Post by: Jim B on April 18, 2008, 02:33:13 PM
I just think it loks great and I'm surprised how good the hair looks on a Southwestern bear.The whole thing makes me kind of sick though as I was at a MT Fish and game auction several years ago and there was a hide up for auction that looked very similar,maybe even more silver in it.I went there to buy a mountain lion hide and just didn't feel like I could swing both,so I didn't bid on the bear.It was about a 200 lb bear and the only thing wrong with it was a hand sized rub on each side of the tail.It went for $225.I swear you could have sold that bear for a glacier bear.I'll never get over that one.
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Post by: Red stag on April 19, 2008, 04:05:35 AM
Looks great! Love that silver/black color.
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Post by: rossco on April 19, 2008, 04:27:38 AM
Looks awesome. I have seen a lot of bears but never one with silver on it. A rare trophy in deed it is.
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Post by: Big Sky on April 19, 2008, 01:04:20 PM
I am a bear hunting fanatic. I've hunted them all over Canada, the lower 48 and Alaska. I draw them, paint them, photograph them, write about them, and of course hunt them every chance I get. I have never seen that bear's equal. I've seen some beautiful glacier bears and they don't quite look like that although they are similar. Even glacier bears aren't all that common where they exist. For that bear to come out of New Mexico makes it extra special. What I wouldn't have given to be that hunter. You are doing that bear justice and it should make your client very happy. Nice job!
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Post by: Curt on April 19, 2008, 09:52:09 PM
That is fantastic.
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Post by: TMALONE on April 20, 2008, 12:38:45 AM
Thats one beautiful bear, nice mount.
Title: Re: ? for the Bear Experts. - Pics of the mount added
Post by: J P Baker on April 23, 2008, 01:02:38 AM
base
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Post by: J P Baker on April 23, 2008, 01:03:05 AM
base
Title: Re: ? for the Bear Experts. - Pics of the mount added
Post by: J P Baker on April 23, 2008, 01:03:33 AM
whole base
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Post by: J P Baker on April 23, 2008, 01:04:31 AM
Bear with base.

not the best picture but you get the idea.
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Post by: Hillbilly Andy on April 23, 2008, 01:05:06 AM
Looks Awesome!
Title: Re: ? for the Bear Experts. - Pics of mount on base added 4-22-08
Post by: crankin on April 23, 2008, 01:37:23 AM
very nice job! i like that pose also instead of the usual front end elevated
Title: Re: ? for the Bear Experts. - Pics of mount on base added 4-22-08
Post by: George Roof on April 23, 2008, 09:06:56 AM
Great job J.P.  I, too, like the pose of the mount.  I've looked all over to find a bear actually standing flat on all 4's, but they're just about impossible to find.   You've given your customer a gorgeous piece. Congratulations.
Title: Re: ? for the Bear Experts. - Pics of mount on base added 4-22-08
Post by: ChadF on April 23, 2008, 09:56:21 AM
great job
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Post by: Kusko on April 27, 2008, 12:07:55 AM
That thing is just gorgeous!
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Post by: Michael Butler on April 27, 2008, 01:28:40 AM
Good Job as always Baker.....
Title: Re: ? for the Bear Experts. - Pics of mount on base added 4-22-08
Post by: Bagger99 on April 27, 2008, 11:21:29 AM
you did an outstanding job on the Bear and base, what do you charge for the total job?
Title: Re: ? for the Bear Experts. - Pics of mount on base added 4-22-08
Post by: J P Baker on April 27, 2008, 07:07:56 PM
Thanks for all the comments & compliments..

George, it is very hard to find the Bear form you need in the all fours pose and it is even harder to get the customer that wants one mounted that way. After showing the customer different photos of poses and discussing where he would put the finished mount, I asked him to think about how he would like the aggressive pose 5 or 10 years from now. The aggressive pose seams cool at first but, most customers regret doing so years later.


retail price ...

 $2500.00 mount
 $1300.00 base ( I posted a total break down in the base forum )
 $ 313.50 tax
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$4113.50  total out the door


The customer has picked up his Bear and is on cloud nine / HE LOVED IT !


Title: Re: ? for the Bear Experts. - Pics of mount on base added 4-22-08
Post by: George Roof on April 27, 2008, 07:25:16 PM
He had every reason to love it.  You did a great job and your pricing was overly fair to him.

I couldn't agree more with your logic on that "aggressive look".  If you have a game room where a piece is going to interact, that's one thing, but a beautiful piece of work like that one needs to stand alone.  Great job.