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Question For You Masters

Discussion in 'Lifesize Mammals' started by Audra, Feb 7, 2023.

  1. Audra

    Audra Active Member

    My question is pertaining to open mouth Bobcats and coyotes. I have to move into Masters, just talking at the state level. I am wondering what I should do for mouth inserts if I should use the real ones or mold them or which artificial ones are best for competition I have used many in the past for commercial I just do not like the plasticy look of some of them. Just talking about slightly open mouths. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
     
  2. Penczak

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    Do not use the real ones. The teeth will crack over time.

    You're right, plastic ones do look like, well "plastic ones" but you must paint them so that they don't. You can even put a little yellow ochre on the teeth it self.
    Alot of them you see the taxidermist only paints the gums and leaves the bright white plastic teeth. That may add to the plastic look.
    Personally I will not mold them. In 25 years I've only ever molded tusk. I have done a few lion tounges.
    I don't really have a good brand you might like.
    Good Luck , maybe post some pics of the finished product.
     
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  3. Frank E. Kotula

    Frank E. Kotula master, judge, instructor

    When you’ve entered into the masters arena it’s time to start casting your own parts.
    It shows you have the knowledge and skills a master taxidermist has.
    Yes you can use other casted parts from those who understand casting but it’s their product and not yours . Jmo
     
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  4. Keith

    Keith Well-Known Member

    Check the rules of the master class.

    I believe at the World Competition you can not enter with a commercial jaw set in the Master class. One of the top pieces was removed from placement because the jaw set was an altered mohr jaw set.
     
  5. Penczak

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    I have never heard that. Are you sure?
     
  6. Dave York

    Dave York Well-Known Member

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    Use a two part silicone to mold the jaws. The remove the teeth and insert into mold. Then pour your cast.
     
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  7. Audra

    Audra Active Member

    Thank you for the info much appreciated. I have also heard that about either the world or Nationals in the master division. This is at state level which does not require me to do that but it's something I do want to learn
     
  8. Keith

    Keith Well-Known Member

    Friend of mine, his African lion was knocked from a second best to third because of the jaw set. At check in he asked about clarification for the the jaw set, and they allowed it. After the awards show, someone complained, and long story short, he lost his placement.
     
  9. Penczak

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    That would suck.
    One of us needs to find out for sure if they're still doing that. Sounds rediculous to me. What about you?
    Alot of times you never see the original jaw. I've mounted a bunch of leopards and lions and never made a mold.
    I mounted a Leopard for Hank Williams Jr.
    I even mounted a Snow Leopard. but it was closed mouth.
     
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  10. Keith

    Keith Well-Known Member

    It was an open mouth lion.
     
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  11. Penczak

    Penczak Active Member

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    Obviously - LOL :)
     
  12. Keith

    Keith Well-Known Member

    I wasn't sure of where you were coming from with your #9 post.

    All's good.
     
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  13. Richs Taxidermy

    Richs Taxidermy Well-Known Member

    There's quite a few shows you have to use your own casted parts in masters
     
  14. Penczak

    Penczak Active Member

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    I did find this fro NY's United Taxidermist Ass. From 2018 rules Masters

    " Special Rules for the Masters Division: Exposed or viewable artificial parts of Master Division entries should be original and made by the competitor. This would include duck bills, duck feet, artificial noses, mouth tissue, mouth parts, fish fins, fish heads, reproduction fish, reptiles, and amphibians. Commercial items allowed are ear liners (including ear liners with inner ears reproduced), eyes, manikins, artificial and freeze dry turkey heads. At entry time, you will be asked to fill out a questionnaire concerning individual work which the judges will have to review. "

    I make my own earliners but not the teeth.
     
  15. Frank E. Kotula

    Frank E. Kotula master, judge, instructor

    That’s good as each state show will have different rules in place. Here in PA fish guys are special cause in the masters you must cast everything yourself even if it’s a reproduction, whereas the others competitors could use bought parts but must state it.
     
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