Deer starving to death in the Midwest!!! STATE LABS CONFIRMED!!!

Memory problems are mine but when you use make believe names, I suppose your name could be "Sue" for all I know.

 

seems like smitty got in trouble with the DNR for some reason and is pretty upset about it. Wildlife belongs to the people, the state DNRs do their best to manage wildlife. They are obligated to acknowledge and attend to all peoples opinions of how it should be done, and most of them use science to base their decisions. Science shows deer in midwest were too high and people were asking to get the populations lowered. IF deer are starving, that means the population was above carrying capacity, Yet your argument is deer are starving and populations are too low..where does that make any common or scientific sense? People here complaining the state has too much control and the people should make management decisions..but when the state gives the opportunity to take "7" deer the people can't make the decision to harvest or not harvest based on their own management choices? The state has too much power, but yet you complain about the state letting PEOPLE have the choice of letting people come onto their land to retrieve game? People used to make their own choices on wildlife....the people almost wiped deer out of the United States..along with turkey and many other animals...with the states managing the peoples desires..we now have wildlife most places in the world would be amazed at. The carrying capacity of wildlife is harmed by our agriculture where most food and cover is removed before winter hits. Deer must be harvested and most harvested deer are compensatory mortality, not additive. this is ignoring the idea that wild tail deer are not really "native" to many midwest states.., but they followed the wasteful ag west across america and out of the woods. With ag being more efficient and less corn being left in field, the carrying capacity is less. Some places may be hurting, i know we have lost a lot of deer this year and last year to disease, not the fault of the state, if anything last year it helped lower the over population of deer. The state can not control disease or the drought we had last year and places had this year. Science showed they were overpopulated..and they were at least here in South Dakota. I would say after last years drought we were back around were we needed to be, but this year we lost more to disease in late summer, by the time it happened, the state already had issued most the deer tags for this year, they can't just take them back from people. They issued tags based on what they could prove at the time, nothing said they would lose a bunch of deer late this year. the population was high, the state issued more tags(which people always want anyways), now that the population is most likely about where it needs to be, the people are now used to the idea of getting more tags and no one wants to give them up. So the state doesn't lower the tag numbers like they should..bc of what the people are asking for.

 

George, for the sake of argument, which you and I are good at.....LOL

I agree and understand the need for licenses, Laws, and law officers. I agree that the Illinois DNR has done much in the way of habitat programs that have benefited the hunters, and the wildlife. What I think you are missing is hidden in the depts. very name. DNR = Department of Natural Resources. Granted, the dept allows us to harvest a certain number of their wildlife species, but make no mistake about it, that ownership belongs to them until you are granted permission via the licensing program. Does not matter if you are a citizen of this state, a landowner, you must have a permit to hunt and a permit to harvest protected species. Who made THEM in charge of protecting?? The citizen's? The law makers? Well, I suppose so. But have those same citizen's been able to have any say in harvest limits? Size limits, etc? Only by ones own personal convictions. You can't fight the US gov. and win. The gov decided to build man made lakes. Countless people saw their farms, homes and lands leveled and waters filled the area's. We fought back when they then wanted to cross our land to gain access to their flood waters. They took our land and opened a dirt road. They basically told us that our land was not ours, but theirs if they wanted it. Then they opened a public hunting area which butts up against our private property. We've had nothing but trespassers ever since. Many calls have been placed to only hear the person on the other end say; it's not our problem, or in the chance they say; we'll send someone out to which no-one ever comes. NATURAL RESOURCES, MY ASS.

Then, my next point........I want to open a high fence hunting operation. After countless phone calls and hours of investigation, their only response was: We authorized two pilot programs in the state years ago and we are not authorizing any more. (read between the lines) Ok, so you are not authorizing any more, but no license is obtainable? correct? Yes, that is correct. So, no license is needed? correct? What I'm saying to you sir is; We are not authorizing any more high fence hunting operations. So, you're not telling me it is illegal for me to do this on my property. Is that correct? What I am saying to you sir is; We are not authorizing any more high fence hunting operations. In summary. It is my ground, it is my fence, it is my own deer that I raised and/or purchased and you have no jurisdiction over me concerning that operation. Is that correct sir? Then I get the answer that the state has a right to test any and all animals within said confinement. WHY? I thought they were my deer. They are sir, but they are still regulated by the state. BULL ****ING SHIT!!!! and you can come in and slaughter my personal property if you suspect a problem? Real or otherwise?

So the notion that the citizens make up the state and it's lands and all of it's inhabitants belong to the citizens is BULL ****ING SHIT!! I ain't buying it and you will have a long hard battle on your hands to prove it otherwise. We are a POLICE nation and society. Not a citizen anything anymore. Pay your taxes and shut the **** up and do what we tell you or suffer the consequences. If you really think that the citizen's own anything..............it ain't that way anymore George. It's ALL their marbles. If we are good and don't make waves, they may let us play with some of their marbles on occasion, but don't piss them off or they won't let you play with their marbles.


Just this very morning, I went to court to ask for court supervision on a speeding ticket. 70 in a 55. First ticket I've gotten in years. Judge asks States Attorney what the position of the state was? Female assistant states attorney says I'm not inclined to give Mr. Thacker court supervision due to his violent criminal history, which was stated for the record. Judge asks me for my position, I state," your honor, that seems out of order to prejudice a traffic violation over a criminal record that has been satisfied with the state. Judge says, I agree and will grant Mr. Thacker court supervision. Does the state have a recommendation? Yes, your honor. The state would agree to a 300.00 fine to accompany the court supervision. Judge turns to me again and asks my position. I state, your honor, if every person in here this morning is going to be subject to the same fine, ok, but that still seems very prejudiced in the scope of a traffic violation. He states, I have never seeked court supervision myself, but I can sure understand why you would want to. I said, Your Honor, I want to keep my driving record clean and prevent my insurance rates from going up sir, however I will not give her the satisfaction of charging me 300.00 for an otherwise 120.00 ticket, feeling very confident that she will not request the same from every other traffic ticket defendant here today. . I will pay the ticket. He said, I will except that offer and will not charge you for today's court appearance.

So, it's THEIR rules, their property, and they can make you a non player anytime they choose too, prejudiously or otherwise. Wake up George. It don't belong to us anymore. Those days are long gone. The ticket is a 120.00 offense. PERIOD. The state wanted to alter that by a prejudice line of thinking, and I ain't trying to hear it. Yes, it is true. I am a fighter. I fight for my rights, my freedoms, my liberties, and what is rightfully mine. So don't tell me I haven't fought. I have, many times even to the highest courts in this land. Some I won and some I got my ass handed to me, but even those that I won, I never was granted the full scope of the judgement. So, if you think you can fight the gov and win, your crazy. DNR owns the animals. Except that as fact. They own me and you too, but we're just silly enough to think we still have rights. LOL Remember that when NRA and all the others loose the battle in the end and they come to take your guns. Of course, we kid ourselves into thinking it will never happen.....................but are you sure?

 

Tim I'm on my DROID in SC so you gotta stop bouncing around. First off, "the DNR" isn't issuing you a license. Through the STATE OF ILLINOIS they are tasked with that responsibility. Don't imply THEY are controlling anything without complicity of YOUR governor or YOUR legislature. If DNR is screwing the pooch, its your fault for allowing the governor and legislature to keep doing it.

Since licensing is a sticking point, do you support unlicensed hunting and poaching. Any of you Western states might want to chime in about the idea of Native Americans hunting year round.

As for following up wounded game, how would YOU feel about the "government" telling you anyone can trespass on YOUR land without permission?

Ask Smitty how his friend Keith Warren feels about QDMA. QDMA spearheads the idea that high fenced animals are nothing more than livestock and should not be considered in any way as free ranging wild game.

 

If we could get Chicago and East STL off the map and outta Illinois, we'd be better off! It is they that voted in the govenor!

 

Since licensing is a sticking point, do you support unlicensed hunting and poaching. Any of you Western states might want to chime in about the idea of Native Americans hunting year round.

George, I'm not protesting licensing, or regulations for that matter. I'm protesting the notion that the deer belong to the citizen's. Ask ANY DNR representative and they will tell you otherwise. I have asked, and I am stating it exactly as it was stated to me numinous times over. As for the Native American's...........ON THEIR PROPERTY GEORGE. Just the way it should be. NO government should be able to tell me what I can and can not do on my property. If I wanted to grow 10,000 acres of marijuana on my property for my personal use, it should not be something that I could be arrested for. Not you, not me or anyone else. And I agree with Non-typical........EST and Chitcago need to fall off into their respective waters. Dump that trash into the Mississippi and Lake Michigan respectfully with a cement block tied to their ankles. .

 

Prove your facts....quit making stuff up!! Where's your source for the 89%?

 

George...you really need to be careful using that tracking device you call a droid.

 

EHD is preventable. Is there some miracle out there that wipes out the midges that spread it? Do tell.

 

Tim, your problem stems from trying to interchange the word "citizens" with the word "individual".

 

I'm just guessing here on if this is what smitty is talking about, but there is a serum available for breeders to vaccinate their livestock with. It is expensive, but know of a few breeders who do vaccinate. The problem is, once infected...it's too late to vaccinate. That is about the only thing I think he could be referring to. :-\

 

Maybe they could air drop some doctored-up acorns on them. Sort of like the poisoned mice they dropped over Guam to kill snakes.

 

Smitty, again, you're talking about controlled herds in confined areas. How much would it cost to spray the entire state of Minnesota TWICE? That's dollars taken from hunters funding of state wildlife areas and simply is not worth the expendature.

I'll send you a QDMA application for Keith Warren.

 

THERE IS NO VACCINE FOR EHD THAT ACTUALLY WORKS ! SPRAYING CAN REDUCE THE RISK BUT DOESN'T NOT PREVENT IT.

If a vaccine worked, I as a breeder and my fellow counter parts would do so with out any regard in the cost of it.
The value of just one pedigree breeder buck or doe would out weigh and cost of a vaccine. They would be be getting it at any price !

www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7-153-10370_12150-26647--,00...

Treatment and Control
There is no known effective treatment or control of EHD. Theoretically, an oral vaccine could be developed for administration through a supplementary winter feeding program, but this is presently impossible, impractical and unwarranted.

 

Dr. Shipley at the University of Illinois has in fact came out with a vaccine. How effective it is? I'm not sure. However, I do know it is being used with various breeders.